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g70 launch date for North America

Well my first chap got back to me today saying it's now a 4 month wait on a stinger here in Canada. Dude, you won't give me a test drive, you don't seem to have any interest in offering me any incentives, why would I???

Genesis - nothing but smooth so far!
If I was a dealer and there was more demand for a car at MSRP than number of cars I was scheduled to get, I wouldn't give any discounts either.

Also, no reason to give test drives to people who can't buy one because there are no available units to sell them. That just puts miles on new cars, which I would have to sell as a demo at a discounted price.
 
Well I will be cancelling way ahead of the test drive if that is not the case I will tell you that!

NB I did ask for a test drive for a Stinger. First dealer said we have only one and you need a 1k deposit and I don't know when we can do it. Second said we have none but you can order one with us anyway. Third dealer promised to call me last week to confirm for saturday. Needless to say I have no interest in buying from these people.

Just so it is clear “the deposit is refundable until the day before delivery” I don’t think can mean that “the term " delivery " means purchase of the vehicle”. How could it be before the day of the purchase when that date is not known when you ask for a refund? Unless somewhere you agree to a purchase date some that is some time in the future. Don’t know if this point is really as important as it sounds to you. Maybe delivery means delivery to the dealer. At that time you must buy it because they have the car in stock and could have sold it to someone else.
 
If I was a dealer and there was more demand for a car at MSRP than number of cars I was scheduled to get, I wouldn't give any discounts either.

Also, no reason to give test drives to people who can't buy one because there are no available units to sell them. That just puts miles on new cars, which I would have to sell as a demo at a discounted price.

This is all true -- and a good reason not to be too early an adopter of these new cars. Pretty much any new car will garner a lot of initial attention and the motivations all favor the dealership until the first wave of eager buyers have gotten their cars and demand settles down to a more normal level. Many buyers in that first wave are already sold on the car and are not all that price sensitive. They want the excitement and bragging rights of being among the first to get the car. Dealers hold the winning cards with these customers and may fail to think about what will happen later on, after these customers have gotten their cars and the next round of sales will require somewhat less enthusiastic buyers.

How the dealership treats people expressing interest during that first wave of interest may well determine whether they come back after demand subsides. Plenty of people making inquiries early on may not be ready to buy right then and there but may well consider a purchase a bit later on, after they've gathered more comparative information. If customers are put off when demand is high, they may look elsewhere once they're finally ready to purchase, when the dealership no longer has people waiting in line for a car. Courtesy and honesty are the foundation of a good customer relationship and treating customers contemptuously or inconsiderately merely because "they can," isn't in the log-term interest of a sales person, a dealership, or a brand. Why not simply explain to people that cars aren't available at present for test driving due to their very limited supply? This should be done with an apology, not with condescension. I've had dealers of other cars tell me that they didn't have cars in stock but would ask a customer if they would be willing to have me drive their car while it was in for service or before delivery. The understanding was that, if the customer agreed, the test drive would be a bit gentler with the goal of giving me a feel for the car but not testing its full performance capabilities. They also made it clear that customers may be reluctant and decline. If all parties have a good sense of trust in the sales person, this can work. Even if this sort of test drive isn't a possibility, a sales person can explain truthfully and respectfully why a test drive isn't an option at present. I've dealt with sales people who have taken this honest, considerate approach and ones who haven't. The former are far more likely to get my business.

Hopefully, Genesis won't make the same mistake as Kia seems to have made. Potential customers are a dealership's life blood and even if they can't be converted to a purchase immediately, their good will should be cultivated, not squandered. This is especially true in the premium segment that Genesis aspires to and, presumably, is a substantial part of their decision to have stand-alone dealerships for the Genesis brand.
 
This is all true -- and a good reason not to be too early an adopter of these new cars. Pretty much any new car will garner a lot of initial attention and the motivations all favor the dealership until the first wave of eager buyers have gotten their cars and demand settles down to a more normal level. Many buyers in that first wave are already sold on the car and are not all that price sensitive. They want the excitement and bragging rights of being among the first to get the car. Dealers hold the winning cards with these customers and may fail to think about what will happen later on, after these customers have gotten their cars and the next round of sales will require somewhat less enthusiastic buyers.

How the dealership treats people expressing interest during that first wave of interest may well determine whether they come back after demand subsides. Plenty of people making inquiries early on may not be ready to buy right then and there but may well consider a purchase a bit later on, after they've gathered more comparative information. If customers are put off when demand is high, they may look elsewhere once they're finally ready to purchase, when the dealership no longer has people waiting in line for a car. Courtesy and honesty are the foundation of a good customer relationship and treating customers contemptuously or inconsiderately merely because "they can," isn't in the log-term interest of a sales person, a dealership, or a brand. Why not simply explain to people that cars aren't available at present for test driving due to their very limited supply? This should be done with an apology, not with condescension. I've had dealers of other cars tell me that they didn't have cars in stock but would ask a customer if they would be willing to have me drive their car while it was in for service or before delivery. The understanding was that, if the customer agreed, the test drive would be a bit gentler with the goal of giving me a feel for the car but not testing its full performance capabilities. They also made it clear that customers may be reluctant and decline. If all parties have a good sense of trust in the sales person, this can work. Even if this sort of test drive isn't a possibility, a sales person can explain truthfully and respectfully why a test drive isn't an option at present. I've dealt with sales people who have taken this honest, considerate approach and ones who haven't. The former are far more likely to get my business.

Hopefully, Genesis won't make the same mistake as Kia seems to have made. Potential customers are a dealership's life blood and even if they can't be converted to a purchase immediately, their good will should be cultivated, not squandered. This is especially true in the premium segment that Genesis aspires to and, presumably, is a substantial part of their decision to have stand-alone dealerships for the Genesis brand.

Nail on the head!
 
This is all true -- and a good reason not to be too early an adopter of these new cars. Pretty much any new car will garner a lot of initial attention and the motivations all favor the dealership until the first wave of eager buyers have gotten their cars and demand settles down to a more normal level. Many buyers in that first wave are already sold on the car and are not all that price sensitive. They want the excitement and bragging rights of being among the first to get the car. Dealers hold the winning cards with these customers and may fail to think about what will happen later on, after these customers have gotten their cars and the next round of sales will require somewhat less enthusiastic buyers.

How the dealership treats people expressing interest during that first wave of interest may well determine whether they come back after demand subsides. Plenty of people making inquiries early on may not be ready to buy right then and there but may well consider a purchase a bit later on, after they've gathered more comparative information. If customers are put off when demand is high, they may look elsewhere once they're finally ready to purchase, when the dealership no longer has people waiting in line for a car. Courtesy and honesty are the foundation of a good customer relationship and treating customers contemptuously or inconsiderately merely because "they can," isn't in the log-term interest of a sales person, a dealership, or a brand. Why not simply explain to people that cars aren't available at present for test driving due to their very limited supply? This should be done with an apology, not with condescension. I've had dealers of other cars tell me that they didn't have cars in stock but would ask a customer if they would be willing to have me drive their car while it was in for service or before delivery. The understanding was that, if the customer agreed, the test drive would be a bit gentler with the goal of giving me a feel for the car but not testing its full performance capabilities. They also made it clear that customers may be reluctant and decline. If all parties have a good sense of trust in the sales person, this can work. Even if this sort of test drive isn't a possibility, a sales person can explain truthfully and respectfully why a test drive isn't an option at present. I've dealt with sales people who have taken this honest, considerate approach and ones who haven't. The former are far more likely to get my business.

Hopefully, Genesis won't make the same mistake as Kia seems to have made. Potential customers are a dealership's life blood and even if they can't be converted to a purchase immediately, their good will should be cultivated, not squandered. This is especially true in the premium segment that Genesis aspires to and, presumably, is a substantial part of their decision to have stand-alone dealerships for the Genesis brand.
1. The G70 is just a car. Waiting until it is available for sale, or for a test drive, is not going to kill anyone. Those who can't wait, should take a cold shower and see of that helps.

2. I cannot believe there is a owner in the world that would authorize (when their car is in for service, or sold but still in dealer prep) for another customer to be allowed to test drive. Not in a billon years would I believe that anyone would agree to that. A salesperson may tell you that the owner (or owner to be) agreed, but they are lying.

3. I don't care what brand of car I am buying, if I have to rely on the salesperson to be completely honest and considerate, I would never be able to purchase a car anywhere. That is doubly true for a Hyundai (or right now, also Genesis) salesperson. OTOH, very few customers are completely 100% honest with dealers when it comes to the condition of their trade-in, what is the max they are willing to pay for a new car, what service has been performed on their car, etc.

4. The G70 is just a car.
 
This is all true -- and a good reason not to be too early an adopter of these new cars. Pretty much any new car will garner a lot of initial attention and the motivations all favor the dealership until the first wave of eager buyers have gotten their cars and demand settles down to a more normal level. Many buyers in that first wave are already sold on the car and are not all that price sensitive. They want the excitement and bragging rights of being among the first to get the car. Dealers hold the winning cards with these customers and may fail to think about what will happen later on, after these customers have gotten their cars and the next round of sales will require somewhat less enthusiastic buyers.

How the dealership treats people expressing interest during that first wave of interest may well determine whether they come back after demand subsides. Plenty of people making inquiries early on may not be ready to buy right then and there but may well consider a purchase a bit later on, after they've gathered more comparative information. If customers are put off when demand is high, they may look elsewhere once they're finally ready to purchase, when the dealership no longer has people waiting in line for a car. Courtesy and honesty are the foundation of a good customer relationship and treating customers contemptuously or inconsiderately merely because "they can," isn't in the log-term interest of a sales person, a dealership, or a brand. Why not simply explain to people that cars aren't available at present for test driving due to their very limited supply? This should be done with an apology, not with condescension. I've had dealers of other cars tell me that they didn't have cars in stock but would ask a customer if they would be willing to have me drive their car while it was in for service or before delivery. The understanding was that, if the customer agreed, the test drive would be a bit gentler with the goal of giving me a feel for the car but not testing its full performance capabilities. They also made it clear that customers may be reluctant and decline. If all parties have a good sense of trust in the sales person, this can work. Even if this sort of test drive isn't a possibility, a sales person can explain truthfully and respectfully why a test drive isn't an option at present. I've dealt with sales people who have taken this honest, considerate approach and ones who haven't. The former are far more likely to get my business.

Hopefully, Genesis won't make the same mistake as Kia seems to have made. Potential customers are a dealership's life blood and even if they can't be converted to a purchase immediately, their good will should be cultivated, not squandered. This is especially true in the premium segment that Genesis aspires to and, presumably, is a substantial part of their decision to have stand-alone dealerships for the Genesis brand.

Well said indeed. It reminded me so much of this rather extreme ad example of treating future customers. I'm sure many of you will remember this Porsche ad even though its over 10 years old.

FIXED THEN
 
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Well said indeed. It reminded me so much of this rather extreme ad example of treating future customers. I'm sure many of you will remember this Porsche ad even though its over 10 years old.
I don't see how that commercial relates at all to the current discussion. If a car is brand new, and the dealer doesn't have one for test drives, then they don't have one. In the commercial, there is a 911 sitting in the showroom for the purpose of people getting in one to examine it. If a dealer had a Stinger or G70 sitting in a showroom, I am sure that they would allow you to get inside of it to look around.

What I want to know is, if that was a 17 year old kid with a valid drivers license who came in and asked for test drive, would that Porsche salesman have let him have one?
 
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