G70 Shooting Brake / Wagon

[Beefer]

If this is indeed true...I would be all over it. For some reason Avants/Wagons/Shooting Brakes hold a place in my heart (RS4/RS6 Avants).

Genesis Likely to Launch a G70 Shooting Brake That Looks Like an Enthusiast's Dream

We're not saying Americans will get the wagon, but it sure would be nice to look at.

www.caranddriver.com

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[leechri3]

If this is indeed true...I would be all over it. For some reason Avants/Wagons/Shooting Brakes hold a place in my heart (RS4/RS6 Avants).

http://[URL]https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30835862/genesis-g70-shooting-brake-wagon-possible

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100% agree with you @Beefer. Hopefully they'll bring this version over to NA and not just limit it to Europe and Asia.

 

[OMG70]

The author is probably getting a bit ahead of themselves. Wait for the face lift and GV70 first. Then maybe they will consider a shooting brake G70. The issue is that it would cannibalize sales of both the smaller SUV and the G80 (and the Stinger...as if the regular G70 didn't do that enough).

Would be cool to see though. Another contender for the "Ultimate dad car," but at a price point that isn't 6 figures

 

[Beefer]

The author is probably getting a bit ahead of themselves. Wait for the face lift and GV70 first. Then maybe they will consider a shooting brake G70. The issue is that it would cannibalize sales of both the smaller SUV and the G80 (and the Stinger...as if the regular G70 didn't do that enough).

Would be cool to see though. Another contender for the "Ultimate dad car," but at a price point that isn't 6 figures

I don't think it would hurt the G80...since it is still a smaller car (passenger-wise...not cargo). It also rides low like a regular car...so completely different from an SUV "ride"...other than the cargo space. So this would hold its one niche market.

That's why avants are huge in Europe. Not everyone wants an SUV...but still want the room to go on trips.

Tough sell in the USA for sure.

 

[EdP]

I don't think it would hurt the G80...since it is still a smaller car (passenger-wise...not cargo). It also rides low like a regular car...so completely different from an SUV "ride"...other than the cargo space. So this would hold its one niche market.

That's why avants are huge in Europe. Not everyone wants an SUV...but still want the room to go on trips.

Tough sell in the USA for sure.

Probably will have an engine on the smaller side to match up to the $6/gallon gas too. Perhaps even diesel. The last Citroen I rented was.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Oh damn!!

Was about to post this, but you beat me to it by far. I doubt the US will get it....but...oh damn!! Haha.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Want

That's all

 

[YEH]

That's why avants are huge in Europe. Not everyone wants an SUV...but still want the room to go on trips.

Tough sell in the USA for sure.

This, if Genesis goes ahead w/ this, it'll be w/ the Euro market in mind.

If they can justify the costs, they may go thru the process of homologating for the US market; BMW dealerships here have been clamoring for a performance wagon since their competition has them.

 

[canucklehead604]

very cool...aside from those headlights. yikes.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

Shooting brake only has 2 doors.

4 doors is a wagon or an estate car, depending on which side of the pond you are on.

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[MrMegadeth]

Shooting brake only has 2 doors.

Not really...2013 Mercedes-Benz CLS-class Shooting Brake

 

[Beefer]

Shooting brake only has 2 doors.

4 doors is a wagon or an estate car, depending on which side of the pond you are on.

That is 100% incorrect.

Avant = Wagon = Shooting Brake (4 or 2 door)

4 doors = estate = sedan

 

[EdP]

That is 100% incorrect.

Avant = Wagon = Shooting Brake

4 doors = estate = sedan

My guess it is one of those terms that got watered down over time I found this:
"Shooting-brake" originated as an early 19th century British term for a vehicle used to carry shooting parties with their equipment and game. The etymology of the term brake is uncertain; initially a chassis used to break in horses, and subsequently used to describe a motorized vehicle

Some might say that station wagons are 4-door whereas shooting brakes feature 2, but there are plenty of shooting brakes over the years that have had 4-doors. ... If “shooting brake” is in the title of the vehicle or is used as a descriptor, that's what it is. This is where the term 'estate car' comes into play.

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[Mr. Incredible]

That is 100% incorrect.

Avant = Wagon = Shooting Brake (4 or 2 door)

4 doors = estate = sedan

nope:

Present-day definition

There is no universally agreed definition of a shooting brake, however the common themes are the coupé and station wagon body styles, and the historical usage of the vehicle for hunting trips. Descriptions of the body style include:

• "A sleek wagon with two doors and sports-car panache, its image entangled with European aristocracy, fox hunts and baying hounds".[7]
• "A cross between an estate and a coupé".
• "Essentially a two-door station wagon".
• An interchangeable term for estate car (station wagon). In France, a station wagon is marketed as a break, once having been called a break de chasse, which translates as "hunting break".
• A body style with "a very interesting profile. It makes use of the road space it covers a little better than a normal coupé, and also helps the rear person with headroom... The occasional use of the rear seat means you can do one of these cars, even if such a wagon lacks the everyday practicality of four doors."
• A vehicle conceived "to take gentlemen on the hunt with their firearms and dogs... and "although [its] glory days came before World War II, and it has faded from the scene in recent decades, the body style is showing signs of a renaissance" (as of 2006).[7] "The most famous shooting brakes had custom two-door bodies fitted to the chassis of pedigreed cars".

Shooting-brake - Wikipedia





as far as Avant, never heard that term and the only reference I can find for it is for an Audi A4 Avant, which is an estate wagon. Seems to be a term only Audi uses.

I did find some info on a Traction Avant, originated by Citroen in the 1930s: and apparently the vehicle that bankrupted the company

 

[Mr. Incredible]

examples: Real cars with the title "shooting brake" from their manufacturers or customizers:









Mercedes has a 4-door CLA the call a "shooting brake" in marketing material because they don't want it compared with the square back E-Class Estate Wagon

 

[Beefer]

The Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo is also a 4-door shooting brake.

The Jag XF 4 door wagon is also a shooting brake.

So as I said before...a shooting brake can be 2 or 4 door.

You’ve been shown three 4 door examples and you yourself presented an example.

Not sure what you are arguing about.

 

[EdP]

examples: Real cars with the title "shooting brake" from their manufacturers or customizers:


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My first thought on this one was they took a Ford Pinto and made it into a hearse. Looks like it ran into an ugly stick.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

The Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo is also a 4-door shooting brake.

So as I said before...a shooting brake can be 2 or 4 door.

Not sure what you are arguing about.

not arguing, but you called me out saying I was 100% wrong and I am not. Just because MBZ decided to call their CLA something it isn't to avoid a label they themselves created for the E-Class, doesn't mean I am 100% wrong, it just means that MBZ has decided to change the rules to suit themselves. A "Shooting brake" has always referred to a 2-door sports car with a wagon rear end going back to the 30s

The original Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo (circa 1997) is a 2-door vehicle so yes it is a shooting brake.



But Porsche doesn't call the current 4-door model a shooting brake, only some confused journalists that don't know what a shooting brake is call it that, Porsche also specifically states it is not an Estate, but a Grand Touring Sedan.

 

[Beefer]

^ Are you kidding me right now? Are you serious?

That photo is a 928...and the Panamera Sport Turismo was introduced in 2017.

AND YES...Porsche DOES call it a shooting brake. Right from their website...

Porsche shooting brake: past and present

And you are 100% wrong stating that a shooting brake is only a 2 door. It can be both 2 door and 4 door. You have been proven wrong with 3 examples. And here is a 4th...the VW Arteon also has a 4 door shooting brake.

 

[Rmsanger]

shooting break, wagon, estate wtf you want to call it... that thing looks beautiful!