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gas milage a lie

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Hyundai and Kia overstated the gas mileage on most of their models from the past three years in an embarrassing blunder that could bring sanctions from the U.S. government and millions of dollars in payments to car owners.

Because of the inflated mileage, discovered during an audit by the Environmental Protection Agency, the Korean automakers must retrofit the window stickers on the cars, reducing their fuel economy figures by one-to-six miles per gallon depending on the model, the agency said Friday.

"Consumers rely on the window sticker to help make informed choices about the cars they buy," said Gina McCarthy, assistant administrator of the EPA's air-quality office. "EPA's investigation will help protect consumers and ensure a level playing field among automakers."

The EPA said its inquiry into the errors is continuing, and the agency would not comment when asked if the companies will be fined or if a criminal investigation is under way. But the EPA said it's the first case in which erroneous test results were uncovered in a large number of vehicles from the same manufacturer. Only two similar errors have been discovered since 2000, and those involved single models.

Hyundai and Kia executives apologized for the errors, said they were unintentional, and promised to pay the owners of 900,000 cars and SUVs for the difference in mileage. The payments, which will be made annually for as long as people own their cars, are likely to cost the companies hundreds of millions of dollars.

The EPA said it received about a dozen complaints from consumers that the mileage of their 2012 Hyundai Elantra compact cars didn't match the numbers on the window stickers. So staffers at the EPA's vehicle and fuel emission laboratory in Ann Arbor, Mich., included the Elantra in an annual audit that focused on cars that lead their market segments in mileage.

The audit turned up discrepancies between agency test results and data turned in by Hyundai and Kia, the EPA said. As a result, the automakers will have to knock one or two miles per gallon off the mileage posted on most of the models' window stickers. Some models will lose three or four miles per gallon, and the Kia Soul, a funky-looking boxy small SUV, will lose six mpg from the highway mileage on its stickers.

Hyundai and Kia are owned by the same company and share factories and research, but they sell different vehicles and market them separately. The companies said the mistakes stemmed from procedural differences between their mileage tests and those performed by the EPA.

"We're just extremely sorry about these errors," said John Krafcik, Hyundai's CEO of American operations. "We're driven to make this right."

The changes affect 13 models from the 2011 through 2013 model years, including seven Hyundais and six Kias. Window stickers will have to be changed on some versions of Hyundai's Elantra, Sonata Hybrid, Accent, Azera, Genesis, Tucson, Veloster and Santa Fe models, as well as the Kia Sorrento, Rio, Soul, Sportage and Optima Hybrid.

Michael Sprague, executive vice president of marketing for Kia Motors America, also apologized and said the companies have a program in place to reimburse customers for the difference between the mileage on the window stickers and the numbers from the EPA tests.

The companies will find out how many miles the cars have been driven, find the mileage difference and calculate how much more fuel the customer used based on average regional fuel prices and combined city-highway mileage. Customers also would get a 15 percent premium for the inconvenience, and the payments would be made with debit cards, Sprague said. The owner of a car in Florida with a one mpg difference who drove 15,000 miles would get would get a debit card for $88.03 that can be refreshed every year as long as the person owns the car, Sprague said.

If all 900,000 owners get cards for $88.03, it would cost the automakers more than $79 million a year.

For information, owners can go to or .www.hyundaimpginfo.comwww.kiampginfo.com

Sung Hwan Cho, president of Hyundai's U.S. technical center in Michigan, said the EPA requires a complex series of tests that are very sensitive and can have variations that are open to interpretation. The companies did the tests as they were making a large number of changes in their cars designed to improve mileage. The changes, such as direct fuel injection into the cylinders around the pistons, further complicated the tests, Cho said.

"This is just a procedural error," he said. "It is not intended whatsoever."

Krafcik said the companies have fixed testing procedures and are replacing window stickers on cars in dealer inventories. Owners can be confident in their mileage stickers now, he said, adding that Hyundai will still be among the industry leaders in gas mileage even with the revised window stickers.

The mileage was overstated on about one-third of the Hyundais and Kias sold during the three model years, he said.
 
Wow.

Good to see Hyundai standing behind their products, owning up to a mistake, and making their customers whole on the issue.

Kudos to JK.
 
Hmm? Never occured to me that it wasn't a lie. I have never gotten anywhere the advertised mileage on any car that I ave ever had. I have always thought that since the federal government first mandated better gas mileage every year that the car makers just told a bigger lie every year.
 
My car has actually averaged better than the fxxking EPA sticker from the day I bought it.
 
my car actually gets 24 with highway and city driving. I got up to 32 mpg when I was driving through NOLA couple years back. We got close to 30 every time we drove highway only.
 
My car has actually averaged better than the fxxking EPA sticker from the day I bought it.

x2! Who the hell buys a V8 and gives a sh!t about MPG anyways! :D
 
That is funny and I am enjoying the laugh yet a true statement

Well really... I can't complain, I've owned nothing but V8s for decades. My last car, a 2006 Infiniti M45 had 90 less hp and got a mile a gallon less mpg. I also have a 2000 Dakota R/T with 180 less hp and it gets 12 mpg on a good day!

More power AND better gas mileage? Win/win! :D
 
My coupe is rated for 17 mpg in town and 25 highwy.

I rarely get less than 22 mpg in town and get the 25 mpg highway and its usually loaded and exceeding the speed limit.

A lot of the mpg stuff is in how you drive. When I drive my wife's Jeep or her Fusion I get 2 to 3 mpg more than she does. It ought to be the other way around as I rarely do the speed limit.
 
From the first post on this thread, and the other thread on the same subject, it appears the MPG estimates come from the manufacturer... not the EPA themselves. I never knew the details of the test but, from reading car mags, it was clear the auto maker provided a car and the driver... a driver who knew how to eek out ever last bit of MPG from the vehicle. I'd always assumed there was some specific route or test that was done with EPA supervision. Guess not... just follow the EPA's instructions and report the results. Not long ago the EPA changed the testing process to make the MPG estimates "more real world." Perhaps Hyundai/Kia screwed up translating the new wording? Hopefully that's all it was - an honest error and not an intentional cheating of the system to get higher numbers on the window sticker. I don't remember when the new EPA system was implemented; does it coincide with the model years covered by the debit card program?

If the actual words in the EPA's test procedure are like any other government legalese I've had to muddle through I can easily see something getting screwed in the translation. Especially since it probably went through multiple departments inside Hyundai before getting to the folks actually conducting the test: translate it first... then some employee tries to "re-word" or "explain it better" to another and so-on down the line... until it got to the folks designing the test apparatus and running the test. Many chances for somebody to "clarify" something and instead screw it up.

mike c.
 
Those averages are based on driving like a scared nun. No one drives 55 on an open highway. I feel every car company does that to draw buyers in. Same for motorcycles. Rarely does a person drive a bike without winding some gear once in a while. All that takes mileage down.
 
My Chevrolet HHR is rated at 31mpg and I get over 32.5 .. 55 miles an hour. Higher if I do 45 and the back roads. And yes it will kick a Hyundai 2.0 ass in the quarter mile. I own the 3.8 track and the mileage is terrible. 6 speed should get 28mpg it was geared right.
 
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I agree the V6 coupe could use another gear (or a lower ratio 6th gear.)

The engine has plenty of torque and could cruise easily at 2000 rpm at 75 to 80 mph.

I usually get around 25 on the highway and just can't seem to make myself stay at the speed limit (or less) to improve that number.

My 86 IROC only runs about 2200 rpm at 75 to 80 mph and at those speeds gets 23 to 24 mpg. At the speed limit of 65 mph I've gotten 27 mph out of the IROC V8 on a road trip. The torque numbers for the Coupe V6 and the IROC V8 are very similar as are the weights of the cars. If the IROC can cruise at 2200 rpm the Coupe should be able to as well.
 
I wasn't offended by the mileage adjustment of 1MPG on the part of Hyundai, especially as it didn't apply to the Genesis Coupes. My dealer sticker says the car should average 22, and it does, depending on this and that. You also have to keep in mind the quality of fuels. Much gas in the US now is E10, and unless it's a Top Tier brand, like Shell, Chevron, Exxon, etc, you are going to get far less performance and mileage out of corn fuel. I've seen swings of 30% just switching gas, and the computer knows the difference, too, retuning the engine to match. But, I didn't buy a sports car hoping to get 40MPG or drive like my Mother ;)
 
Being on the Veloster forum page,it was a big issue for some owners.As I read on a post that some people think that what is on the the dealer sheet is the gospel.

I'v had my car for 14 months now and have had about 14,000 miles on it.I'm getting about 30 / 38 for what i drive and I'm happy with it.I receved a CC with $ 114.00 on it,and used it for gas.

I have joined this forum because I'm looking to get a Coupe,in the next 8 - 10 months when bought my cars are payed off.I don't know which year I'll be looking at,but I do know that I'll be looking for a 3.8 in Yellow,I just think that this is an great color for this car and the way it looks.
 
vg2.webp this is the color you might like. It is beautiful in the sun, and at night has a purple haze.
 
Let's see what Ford offers customers who purchased their vehicles overstating MPG. lol
 
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I am appalled at my gas mileage of 25 hwy.. Absurd numbers here.. That is the last time I am cruising at 90.

Holds up "performance award from DPS". At 80 Mph I get 27 .. Now that's a wee bit better...
At 70 it's 30.5.. Just saying"grins"
 
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