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Genesis + 1" of snow = Major fail!

You don't wear a sneaker when you need a dress shoe and you don't wear a dress shoe when you need a work boot. Just as there is no shoe appropriate for all occasions, there is no tire approriate for all driving conditions.

I agree wholeheartedly with the above.
The case for different summer & winter tires also provides a long term economic benefit. If you use your summer tires less then they will last longer. Spreading annual tire wear over two sets of tires extends the life of both sets. The only real added expense is the cost of an extra set of rims, if like me you don't want the hassle of dismounting and mounting tires twice a year. Safety & Savings sounds like a win-win result to me.

The idea of getting a new set of tires out of Hyundai just because the OE tires don't do well in snow and ice is ridiculous.
 
It's not like they snuck these tires on the car last minute as some sort of deceit. In any event, OEM tires used by most automakers in the industry are crap.

I couldn't agree more waters!!:D
 
I have seen this before, however, I am retired, and do not have to drive to work every day, and Milwaukee WI. has an excellent after the strom clean up. If I drove to work daily, I would have snows on all four..............depends on where you live and your personal situation.....
 
Show me a tire that sticks to dry pavement like glue, plows through water like a battleship, claws glare ice like a studded tire, eats its way through mud and sand, lasts 100K miles, and never needs rotating or rebalancing...and I'll sell you some office space on the 100th floor of the WTC.

True. The OEM Dunlops are actually very good three season tires...doing well in dry and wet. They just are inadequate for snow and ice, which is why I picked up a set of Micelin X-Ice2's.
 
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I recently purchased Genesis and immediately had to change the tires as I couldn't make it up the slight grade in my driveway in ANY snowy condition.

Researched tires and decided on Michelin Primacy (as the Continental ExtremeContact DWS is on national backorder for the 235/55/17 size). I didn't want to have to change to winter tires, and based on the reviews of the Dunlop OEMs figured they needed replaced either way. So far, it's been a 100% improvement and would recommend swapping to anyone having to deal with snow. The Dunlops were very unacceptable and would hope Hyundai makes note of this moving forward. Overall, love the car now that I have changed out the tires.
 
I love people who jump all over you for saying something like "I'm tempted to go to the dealer". I did not say, I WAS going to go to the dealer. So let's stop beating the dead horse gentlemen and lighten up a little. As for getting an all-season tire that performs in all conditions adequately. I'm not joking when I say my wife's AVID TRZ tires are fantastic in all conditions. This is by far the most superior tire I have every put on a vehicle. I have owned a few performance vehicles and all had terrible OEM tires. My wife's car came with Goodyear LS tires and they were warped from the factory. Had rotational defects that caused them to be impossible to balance. Put these AVID TRZs on and they stick to everything. I know about tires, my family worked for Goodyear and I used to put a set of Goodyear Eagles on my F150 Lightning each year since they only lasted 8K miles. As for knowing that the Genesis is a performance sedan and knowing that I would need new tires, I don't buy this. I do not consider the Genesis 3.8 to be a "performance vehicle". Let's face it, this car is basically a family sedan with a decent engine and that's why I bought it. I'm not going to be racing someone down the freeway or taking my car to the strip anytime soon. I bought it because it fits my family and I expect a vehicle to be able to at least drive in 1" of snow from the factory with adequate tires that don't feel like I'm unsafe. My wife's Goodyear LS tires, although total crap, at least went through the 1" of snow and I did not feel unsafe driving. I'm sure I'll take some flack for my comments here and people will try to belittle me again. Let's just leave it at, these tires stink and should not be called all-season. If anyone here had to deal with the frustration of getting stuck in your driveway everyday there is a dusting of snow then you might know my level of disappointment.
 
I suppose that I'll have to draw a big target on myself: We were riding on I-40 in N. Mex. and Ariz. in late December and got caught in an unexpected set of snowstorms (or snow squalls). Driving on an interstate with Gennie and our original tires made me drive with more than a little nervousness/cautiousness. Perhaps that is why we had absolutely no problems while driving through the snow (in up to 3" deep) at speeds appropriate for the conditions.

Being from Colorado I'm used to driving in the snow and will usually avoid driving in it in a non-4wd/awd vehicle. Maybe driving in a manner like the conditions dictate will allow you to drive, just not like you ordinarily do. If I expected to drive gennie in much snow I would have bought snow tires. I just try and avoid driving in the snow with a car like gennie. And, yes, I have an AWD vehicle.
 
I've lived in Northeast Ohio my entire life. Trust me I know how to drive the way the conditions call for. I'm not even talking about driving on the road. I started this thread because I couldn't get out of my 110 ft long driveway that is flat with no incline/decline at all. Once I'm able to get out my driveway and I arrive at the office, I'm unable to get up a small incline to get into the parking lot and I'm forced to park at the bottom of the entrance. This is on a freshly plowed parking/lot.
 
I guess the snow & ice must be different in NE Ohio than it is in Southern Ontario. I took delivery of my Genesis in October 2008 and it took about 6 weeks to find suitable rims for the winter tires I knew I would need. In the meantime I drove through a number of snowy trips and two outright blizzards. While I concurr that the OE tires are inadequate for snow and ice (most performance biased A/S tires are), I certainly never got stuck due to a total loss of traction, nor did I ever feel unsafe. You adapt your driving style to the conditions and the grip available. I could certainly drive on 1" of fresh snow without any issues and get up my uphill 60' snow covered driveway. Try turning the traction control OFF and starting in manual mode 2nd or 3rd gear.
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OK, I'll add another target for the beat-down. :)

I learned to drive in the snow, in Chicago, in my teens. (In the mid-1990s.) Admittedly, we were learning on front-wheel-drive subcompacts, but I literally took the entire road portion of my driver's ed and the final road test in multiple inches of snow, sometimes plowed, sometimes not. :)

My first two cars were rear-wheel drive. I remember fishtailing that '77 Malibu like a madman -- luckily, people around me (by then in eastern Pennsylvania) were smart enough to give me two lanes to wrestle with. :)

My Genesis V6 marks my return to RWD after an over-a-decade hiatus. It also marks the first time I've had a tire profile under 60-series on any vehicle.

Initially, I had some trouble in the snow -- it took me a while to readjust to winter driving. I don't have snow tires, and admit this as my own failing. (If I am still in a snowy environment next year, they -- on slightly smaller rims, with higher profile -- will be acquired for the season.)

I now have few to no problems with anything up to about 5". I can handle it while the snow is falling, and I can handle it after it's fallen but not plowed. The only two serious problems I've had were a day where we had nothing but slush (one stoplight the car moved more sideways than forward; that was entertaining) and last week, when my complex's plows decided to shovel 24" of snow into every car in the lot.

Last week, even with trying to shovel the car out, it was thoroughly stuck (half in, half out of the spot; all the rocking and pushing in the world wasn't getting it over the snow -- I personally moved about 20 cubic feet, and ultimately what kept it stuck was what was under the car). I actually had to have it TOWED out of the parking spot.

Are the "all-seasons" that the Genesis came with bad in the snow? Sure. But you're also dealing with a large, heavy RWD sedan with 52% of its weight over the front axle. Good snow tires will fix 90% of your issues, so you (and I) should really invest in them. Good winter driving skills (which I generally have, and assume you do as well) will take care of the other 10% handily.

That said, are these tires absolutely the worst I've ever driven? Lord, no -- I've driven all kinds of cars, and have had way worse issues in the snow than this, both in RWD and some FWD cars. I've found the Genesis, on the stock 18" wheels and tires, to be remarkably well-behaved on wet, dry and snow for what the vehicle is. The only time it really didn't live up to expectations was slush and ice. (I don't consider last week to be within expectations; half the complex was still plowed into their spots at 10:30 AM, when the lot would normally be empty. Heck, the tow truck driver laughed that he should just go door-to-door and get people out; he'd have made a killing. The only ones who did make it out of their spots were true ladder-frame SUVs.)

Ultimately, a good chunk of winter driving comes down to the skill of the driver and the focus on the task at hand. My tricks? I stay off the phone (even via Bluetooth), turn off the sound system (such a crime; that Lexicon is so lovely), and focus on two things: My "sphere of influence" (the 8 vehicle slots immediately around the car, imagine being the center square on one side of a Rubik's Cube) and the horizon -- everything in front of my car, in all lanes going my direction, as far out as I can see. Being cognizant of the task of driving well in inclement conditions is much more difficult and taxing than under normal circumstances; but the reward -- safely getting to your destination efficiently and with as little stress as possible -- is obviously worth the effort.

(Off topic, but my favorite snow car of all time remains my '98 Olds Aurora. For all its other failings -- and trust me, after 75,000 miles, there were MANY -- that car was a MOUNTAIN GOAT. Plows shoved 18" into the car? No problem, just floor it and it's out ... )
 
Dunlop 5000's are great wet/ dry tires. Worse all season tire I have ever experienced. But thats why I own a 4WD SUV.
 
My genesis keeps slipping in the sand whenever I go to the beach to check out the babes. I want some new tires too.

A dirty black Gensis with Hooter floor mats, edsel dice on the mirror, Sears Star War seat covers, KDM autosuck in 12 volt socket (always on), fake bullet holes in rear window, Weight Watchers licenseplate frame on rear plate, 31 pounds tire pressure, 1994 original Beanie Babies on top of felt covered dash--


That closing statement made me throw up in my mouth a little. Everyone has their own tastes....
 
Sorry Simmy711. I'm not seeing a lot of folks jumping all over you. More like some light hearted ribbing form the crowd. Yes, you did only say "I'm tempted to go to the dealer", but you also called your tires a "POS" and "death radials" and you said that you "refuse to pay for winter tires". Be careful about the seed you plant. You may reap more than you bargined for.

I find the OEM Dunlop SP Sport 5000 M's to be quite satisfactory in 3.5 seaons. They are certainly marginal in snow. No surprise there. That fact has long been documented in this forum. Numerous other reviews of the tire over the past 5-6 years have deemed it "iffy" in snow. I find that they do OK in light, dry snow that has fallen on hard frozen ground. Add in icing, frost, wet snow or re-freezing and all bets are off iin my book.

You've told us "I know about tires" and "I have owned a few performance vehicles and all had terrible OEM tires". You've said "my wife's AVID TRZ tires are fantastic in all conditions". Based on your experience and knowledge, and the long-known history of poor snow performance for the Dunlop, I'd have expected that you'd slap a set of TRZ's on your Genny the day you leased it.

Your points about he poor performance of the Dunlops in snow are well taken...and also well known and documented. As many of the posters have noted here, If you want to drive with confidence in snow, the solution is to put on a good set of "shoes" for the conditions. I think you got some good recommendations on candidate tires to purchase.

Caveat emptor (let the buyer beware)! I certainly can't say that you were "snookered" by Hyundai, your dealer, or Dunlop. I have not found any advertisement or review that called the Dunlop SP Sport 5000 a "good" tire in winter. There were plenty that called it "poor".
 
My genesis keeps slipping in the sand whenever I go to the beach to check out the babes. I want some new tires too.

A dirty black Gensis with Hooter floor mats, edsel dice on the mirror, Sears Star War seat covers, KDM autosuck in 12 volt socket (always on), fake bullet holes in rear window, Weight Watchers licenseplate frame on rear plate, 31 pounds tire pressure, 1994 original Beanie Babies on top of felt covered dash, Radioshack CD player--
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LOL, Flyboy, I love this post AND the sig file.

Ron
 
Well congarts - you all have succeded in trashing and driving away yet another poster who just came to vent a little and find some info. Good job!

LOL, Flyboy, I love this post AND the sig file.

Ron
 
Doug, Ron has a good sense of humor which is sorely lacking on this site.

Simmy vented this tread four days ago and I'm sure he feels better now. As for him finding out new info on his problem, I doubt it. I think the tire issue has pretty much run it's course and I'm sure Simmy will be back to open up another thread.

What people have to realize is that we bought this car at a GOOD PRICE. Hyundai put mediocre tires on this car so that we could afford it in this time of economic crisis. BMW and the other car makers are offering better tires as an option but at a cost of around $1,300. Is it venting or whining when the Genesis isn't perfect for the price we paid?

I "built" a comprable BMW 535i last night on the Internet while watching the Olympics. It came to $64,000 without tax and license. So what if the Genesis tires aren't the ultimate snow tires. One has to look at the big picture--
 
What people have to realize is that we bought this car at a GOOD PRICE. Hyundai put mediocre tires on this car so that we could afford it in this time of economic crisis. BMW and the other car makers are offering better tires as an option but at a cost of around $1,300. Is it venting or whining when the Genesis isn't perfect for the price we paid?

While I wouldn't expect Hyundai, or the dealer to replace my tires, I think the argument that putting better tires would increase the cost of the car is absurd. The Dunlops are pretty horribly panned everywhere yet they are one of the most expensive tires in it's category. Almost any other tire would have been a better choice and most would have actually saved money. Last time I checked, TireRack listed the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus (which I personally believe are some of the best UHP All Season tires available) as a few dollars less per tire than the Dunlops. I understand that Hyundai probably pays significantly less than the retail price for the Dunlops, but the point is, it wouldn't have cost $1,300 for better tires. Heck, I can buy the Michelin's at retail for $700, and that's assumes the Dunlops are free.

That the Dunlops were a poor choice seems obvious, but I agree, that's been well known and discussed. And no, I wouldn't have paid $1,300 to get better tires, but I would have paid the same amount or less to get better tires, and I could have if Hyundai would have picked better.

As a side note, I don't live in an area that regularly sees snow, so I actually found the Dunlops OK. I managed to get 35K miles out of them. I swapped them out last week for some Yokohama AVID H4S tires that were on sale for just under $400 for a set. These don't do great in snow either as I found out as I drove home in 6 inches of snow the very day they were mounted, but that's likely the only snow they'll ever see, as it's truly a fluke to see that much snow in this part of SC. Otherwise, they seem to dampen bumps nicely (I actually can't believe tires made so much difference), they're quiet, and they're a bargain compared to the OEM's, and they have a 60K mileage warranty.
 
All,

I have not been driven away. I do appreciate the advice I have been given. I would have put some AVID TRZs on my Genesis when I bought it, but again I expected to feel safe in this vehicle with the tires on it. That being said, I don't see Tire Rack showing this model (TRZs) on their site available for the size on the Genesis. I agree in part that it is both a poor choice for Hyundai to put these tires on this vehicle and I also think Dunlop should not be permitted to call these all season tires. I do love my Genesis and agree that you cannot compare the value to any other vehicle on the market right now. I am still frustrated with the tire as I have to really rock the car and I feel like I'm being hard on the transmission when trying to get out of parking lots and driveways. I guess it doesn't matter because it's leased and in two years I will probably be driving my wife's car since it will be paid off and I will be getting her a new SUV...thinking about that sweet new VERACRUZ.

Cheers.
 
While I wouldn't expect Hyundai, or the dealer to replace my tires, I think the argument that putting better tires would increase the cost of the car is absurd. The Dunlops are pretty horribly panned everywhere yet they are one of the most expensive tires in it's category.

ttsig you don't know what goes on at Hyundai and I recommend a business class. My feeling is that Dunlop has known for a while that that brand of tire was poorly reviewed and wanted to unload a large quantity. Maybe Dunlop is in the red or on the verge of bankrupcy. If cars aren't selling then tires aren't selling. I am willing to bet money that they offered Hyundai a sweetheart deal like-"If you buy 300,000 of them, we'll sell them to you for $10 a piece". Now if the next decent tire would have cost Hyundai $21 a tire... then by going with Dunlop, Hyundai is saving $3,300,000 in costs. I don't know the actual costs of car maker tires. I'm just making an educated guess. Maybe someone on this site knows--
 
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