Genesis GV60 vs Tesla Model Y - It’s close, but there’s a clear winner

[Looney100]

You put some summer only or marginally good performance tires on the GV60 and it will undoubtedly be faster.

It's unfair for one to adjust factory performance with whatever aftermarket go-fast parts one wants. Must compare vehicles as they are from the dealership.

The Model Y proponent could just as easily say that it has a much heavier sound system or wheels are exceptionally large and heavy (just examples, I don't know if any are true in this instance), and if we fixed that, it would be a half second quicker.

 

[EVsquatch]

When I search reddit there are plenty of folks who say that track mode produced a faster quarter mile time, despite that not being what is described in the manual.

Track Mode:
Track Mode actively monitors and regulates battery temperature to prevent overheating during sustained high-performance driving, which can affect acceleration in a short burst like a quarter mile run.

We aren't talking about 0-60 we are talking quarter mile. Quarter mile would be impacted by temperature so I would think you would want it on for a quarter mile run.

Meanwhile - you are comparing a M3P to the GV60 and nobody is comparing those. One is a sedan the other is an SUV. The M3P is also almost 1000 pounds lighter than the GV60. I would hope it feels faster. The comparison is MYP to GV60.

In the drag race video done by a professional channel dedicated to testing high end vehicles on a closed circuit course with professional drivers the GV60P had a faster time in the quarter mile than the MYP even with the GV60's uncontroversially bad tires. That is my point. The boost function is part of the car. Is it a gimmick, yes. It would have been nice if they just let you use that additional HP without having to hit a button - but the speed is there either way.

 

[EVsquatch]

It's unfair for one to adjust factory performance with whatever aftermarket go-fast parts one wants. Must compare vehicles as they are from the dealership.

The Model Y proponent could just as easily say that it has a much heavier sound system or wheels are exceptionally large and heavy (just examples, I don't know if any are true in this instance), and if we fixed that, it would be a half second quicker.

Noted - except the GV60 has horrendous tires and the MYP has tires appropriate for the performance level of the vehicle. It is incontrovertible that the GV60 tires aren't performance and if you are going to compare them on a drag race - you shouldn't dock the GV60 because it has the worst "performance" tires on a performance vehicle.

In the video I linked above to the sub 12 second track time for the GV60 - you can literally hear the squealing GV60P tires all the way down the track. That is just atrocious.

 

[Zcd1]

When I search reddit there are plenty of folks who say that track mode produced a faster quarter mile time, despite that not being what is described in the manual.

Track Mode:
Track Mode actively monitors and regulates battery temperature to prevent overheating during sustained high-performance driving, which can affect acceleration in a short burst like a quarter mile run.

We aren't talking about 0-60 we are talking quarter mile. Quarter mile would be impacted by temperature so I would think you would want it on for a quarter mile run.

Meanwhile - you are comparing a M3P to the GV60 and nobody is comparing those. One is a sedan the other is an SUV. The M3P is also almost 1000 pounds lighter than the GV60. I would hope it feels faster. The comparison is MYP to GV60.

In the drag race video done by a professional channel dedicated to testing high end vehicles on a closed circuit course with professional drivers the GV60P had a faster time in the quarter mile than the MYP even with the GV60's uncontroversially bad tires. That is my point. The boost function is part of the car. Is it a gimmick, yes. It would have been nice if they just let you use that additional HP without having to hit a button - but the speed is there either way.

The more you post, the more it’s obvious you don’t really understand, so we’ll leave it there.

This is what the world is coming to, when AI and Reddit are being quoted as authoritative sources.

It’s terrifying.

 

[EVsquatch]

The more you post, the more it’s obvious you don’t really understand, so we’ll leave it there.

This is what the world is coming to, when AI and Reddit are being quoted as authoritative sources.

It’s terrifying.

You started out insisting the MYP doesn't have a track mode and then had to correct yourself when I pointed you to Tesla's own website. I guess Redditer's and their experiences are somehow below your experience here on a forum?

You then compared the M3P to the GV60P which is a completely irrelevant comparison since they aren't even in the same class of vehicle - but I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about?

I hope you learned something about your own vehicle today. Let us know if you ever play with Track Mode and can confirm any information that Google and Reddit clearly doesn't understand.

 

[dipseydo]

Someone mentioned our tires stink? What is the better alternative for all season with low rolling resistance? I don’t care about performance since our 60P is faster than 95% of the cars on the road. Plus I’m heavy so I doubt I’d hit under 12 seconds like the skinny guy on the video. Love the build quality and Genesis service has been good to me. I’m lucky one of my client sites is next to a dealer. Easy to knock the 5k service out.

 

[Zcd1]

Let us know if you ever play with Track Mode and can confirm any information that Google and Reddit clearly doesn't understand.

You mean like this?




I don’t need Google or AI or Reddit to confirm what I’ve personally experienced on an actual racetrack…

 

[Looney100]

Someone mentioned our tires stink? What is the better alternative for all season with low rolling resistance? I don’t care about performance since our 60P is faster than 95% of the cars on the road. Plus I’m heavy so I doubt I’d hit under 12 seconds like the skinny guy on the video. Love the build quality and Genesis service has been good to me. I’m lucky one of my client sites is next to a dealer. Easy to knock the 5k service out.

A quality tire is about much more than 1/4 mile times. Control, stopping distance, wet traction, and overall drive quality/experience can all be improved with a good tire. Forum participants aside, I suspect 3/4 of drivers wouldn’t notice the difference between an okay tire and something excellent.

There are a couple threads in this forum dedicated to tire choices. A search for “pilot” will likely uncover most of what there is to read on the topic.

 

[EVsquatch]

You mean like this?

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I don’t need Google or AI or Reddit to confirm what I’ve personally experienced on an actual racetrack…

Not sure why you are qualified to be discussing the MYP and posting inaccurate information about whether it has or doesn't have a track mode if you own a M3P which isn't even relevant in this discussion at all. I at least owned a MY.

But enjoy your M3P on the track. I'm sure it is a blast to sling around those turns.

 

[EVsquatch]

Someone mentioned our tires stink? What is the better alternative for all season with low rolling resistance? I don’t care about performance since our 60P is faster than 95% of the cars on the road. Plus I’m heavy so I doubt I’d hit under 12 seconds like the skinny guy on the video. Love the build quality and Genesis service has been good to me. I’m lucky one of my client sites is next to a dealer. Easy to knock the 5k service out.

It really depends what you are looking for in a tire. If you can tolerate poor handling in even moderate weather but value low noise and rolling resistance than the Primacy tires are serviceable.

That said they are universally panned on Micheln's own website as over half of the reviews are 1 star.

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/tires/michelin-primacy-all-season

Here is a thread where alternatives are discussed:

Thread 'Replacement Tires for GV60'

Jan 26, 2023

Just wanted to start a thread about owners thoughts on replacement tires for the GV60.

My Advanced take 255/45 R20, which are OEM Michelin Primacy Tour A/S.
I'm in California, USA... I see snow if, and only when I go to the mountains. Otherwise, moderate weather, if you don't include the very intense heat of summer/autumn.

My thoughts for replacement are:
Michelin CrossClimate2
Goodyear Assurance ComfortDrive

Both of these are top rated on TireRack.com for this size and type. All-around high performance in dry, wet and light snow conditions.
I'm looking mostly for touring, quiet and...

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[Zcd1]

Not sure why you are qualified to be discussing the MYP and posting inaccurate information about whether it has or doesn't have a track mode if you own a M3P which isn't even relevant in this discussion at all. I at least owned a MY.

But enjoy your M3P on the track. I'm sure it is a blast to sling around those turns.

I admitted my error, while you repeatedly quoted (inaccurate) AI and Reddit stuff.

I’ve actually driven a Performance Tesla on a track and know EXACTLY how track mode affects the car.

One of us has direct experience.

The other doesn’t.

Simple as that.

 

[steveinarizona]

I am not going to argue with you one bit about wheel spin. The GV60P has the worst OEM tires for a performance vehicle I have ever seen. Tesla beats the GV60 hands down with their performance Pirelli tires. If the GV60 had anything close to those it would have been even faster. It is nearly impossible to not spin out in the GV60 off the line. Every time I have hit the boost button I have been alarmed at the tire squeal as the tires spin out no matter the surface.

The nice thing is that Michelin makes an HL rated Pilot Sport 4S tire in our size. I have a fairly large vocabulary but I can't find the words to describe how much of an improvement that makes (caveat: with lots of tire noise that I was and am willing to put up with as a tradeoff).

 

[steveinarizona]

This is a perfect example of why AI can’t always be trusted.

The owner’s manual doesn’t mention anything about increased power, and having personally used track mode myself, I can verify that the car is NOT faster in a straight line with it enabled.

And as someone who drives both a Tesla 3P snd and a GV60P, I promise you that the Tesla is far quicker in everyday driving.

I understand that may not be a popular thing to say in a GV60 forum, but it’s a fact.

To the 99.9% of owners who never go on a track, it doesn't matter. Both are way faster than anyone could ever need or use on city streets.

My personal thoughts have been that for me, an ICE car with HP in the 300s is adequate for city driving and in the 400s for an EV (to account for the added weight). That translates to a weight to HP ratio of 10lbs/1HP After that, it comes down to the rest of the package: size, HUD, buttons and switches, interior materials, fit & finish, service quality and availability, software, charging availability, ADAS, etc. Different folks can value all these other features differently.

 

[EVsquatch]

I admitted my error, while you repeatedly quoted (inaccurate) AI and Reddit stuff.

I’ve actually driven a Performance Tesla on a track and know EXACTLY how track mode affects the car.

One of us has direct experience.

The other doesn’t.

Simple as that.

We have gotten very far off the topic of this thread which was the comparison of the GV60 to the MY. You aren't the only one with experience driving a vehicle on a track. I've done plenty of that with the BMWs and Mini's (including the original) in my decades of owning cars. But none of that is relevant to this thread just like your experience in a M3P isn't relevant in a discussion about MY vs GV60.

How about we get back on topic? Anything else you have to say about MY vs the GV60? Guess you will have to go to the Internet or Reddit since you have never actually daily driven either since the GV60 in your stable belongs to your better half.

 

[Zcd1]

We have gotten very far off the topic of this thread which was the comparison of the GV60 to the MY.

Yes, and you started the tangent by incorrectly stating the effect of a drive mode you’ve never actually used or experienced.

SMH.

 

[EvanG]

...And as someone who drives both a Tesla 3P snd and a GV60P, I promise you that the Tesla is far quicker in everyday driving...

Yeah, the instrumented testing shows the Tesla is faster, but it's in the same area. Honestly anything under 4 seconds 0-60 is crazy fast for an SUV. If I want something faster I drive my Corvette ERay which will trounce either of them. But there's always someone faster...

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My Turo host texted me a link which allowed me to temporarily use my iPhone as the key. It was a very nice system, that's one area where the Tesla is better than the GV60. Even on the Performance trim, I don't think the phone key management is anywhere as nice as what Tesla offers...

I actually find the phone integration to be pretty good on my GV60P. Remote conditioning, door lock/unlock, and notifications all work very well. I've used it as a key once to test it, and it was fine, although if I was going to do that, I'd just use the face recognition and fingerprint, which also works well. Honestly though, it's just habit to grab the fob, so I don't often use that stuff. Where I do use the phone a lot (especially in the Omaha winter) is pre-conditioning the vehicle.

 

[steveinarizona]

Yeah, the instrumented testing shows the Tesla is faster, but it's in the same area. Honestly anything under 4 seconds 0-60 is crazy fast for an SUV. If I want something faster I drive my Corvette ERay which will trounce either of them. But there's always someone faster...

I actually find the phone integration to be pretty good on my GV60P. Remote conditioning, door lock/unlock, and notifications all work very well. I've used it as a key once to test it, and it was fine, although if I was going to do that, I'd just use the face recognition and fingerprint, which also works well. Honestly though, it's just habit to grab the fob, so I don't often use that stuff. Where I do use the phone a lot (especially in the Omaha winter) is pre-conditioning the vehicle.

The phone as digital key has worked great for me. The fingerprint recognition system no so great. After I set it seems to work and as days go on it starts to have trouble identifying my fingerprint.

I was using my phone as my key and without thinking I took my phone in to set up its replacement and didn't think to bring my fob. But I had backups. My first backup was the key card. I finally got it to work on the door but could not get it to work on starting the car. My last backup was the eye scan/fingerprint reader and that didn't work. I thought I would have to call a Waymo to go home and get my fob but I got my phone back in time and it worked. Since then I have been carrying my fob but I intend to again try to set up the backups. I don't want to rely entirely on the phone as digital key as phones can break.

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[gvjim]

Tesla allows up to 19 phones to be associated with a car. You can easily add or remove phones, including remotely. I mentioned that my Turo host texted me a link, in fact, I didn't even meet them when picking up the car. They just told me where the car was parked and texted me the link. I walked up to the car and had full access.

Since I'm the only driver of my GV60, carrying around the fob is fine with me. But I can still see that the Tesla system is very nice.

As for the Genesis phone app - it's terrible. Many of the labels and buttons use microscopic text that is difficult to impossible to see, and hard to tap with your fingers. The color choices were picked to match Genesis branding and not for best visibility. Common actions like changing charging limits are buried several layers deep in the UI, requiring extra steps each time. And everything is soooo slow. If I'm in the garage with the car I should be able to perform actions immediately, not after a 5-10 second delay because everything has to go thru a Hyundai server on the other side of the country (or maybe the world?). Also, the Tesla iOS app can be automated via shortcuts, very nice to be able to put a button on your home screen for common actions - you don't even have to launch the app. (I should reiterate that none of this changes the fact that I would never buy a Tesla, but that doesn't mean that they don't have good ideas that other manufacturers should be "borrowing". Actually, in this case, forget Tesla, they should just follow good mobile development practices and hire an actual UX designer. The Genesis app reeks of "they let the programmer's design the UI" (and I say that as a programmer myself).)

 

[EVsquatch]

Yes, and you started the tangent by incorrectly stating the effect of a drive mode you’ve never actually used or experienced.

SMH.

Bolding your text doesn't make it any more relevant. Most of your posts in this thread have been tangents to the original topic. There is evidence for and against using track mode all over the internet from experiences of people who own those vehicles and have used them in both settings.

Either way you are bringing the experience of driving a M3P into a discussion about MY vs GV60. Completely irrelevant. There are plenty of Tesla forums you can post that content to.

Now let's stop beating a dead horse and just move on.

 

[Grayson]

Someone mentioned our tires stink? What is the better alternative for all season with low rolling resistance? I don’t care about performance since our 60P is faster than 95% of the cars on the road. Plus I’m heavy so I doubt I’d hit under 12 seconds like the skinny guy on the video. Love the build quality and Genesis service has been good to me. I’m lucky one of my client sites is next to a dealer. Easy to knock the 5k service out.

I plan to try the Hankook iON EVO AS SUV tires, which are specifically made for EVs and have gotten great reviews.