Genesis Motors Intelligent High Beams / Adaptive Headlights / Matrix Headlights Discussion

[mcb]

Fuse images

 

[zed245]

Interesting. It looks like fuses are very similar and there is no extra fuse in the aus model that activates ifs. As people mentioned above could be a software lock. Anyone has any thoughts on how to get into the engineering mode of the head unit.??

 

[waveman]

The ADAS-fusion ADB system (also called the intelligent front lighting system) adjusts the headlight beam patterns to account for other vehicles and curves by dynamically turning LEDs on and off. But, as @Amnlupiano said, it doesn't look as if this is activated in the U.S. The question is whether the enabling hardware (the lights themselves and their integration with sensors and steering) exists in 2021 Genesis vehicles. If it doesn't, it's possible that this could be implemented for later model years, though it would be a shame to not have what seems like an excellent feature sooner if regulatory approval is an issue.

 

[Amnlupiano]

Interior fuses - none mention IFS and only 2 I could find have any mention of headlights.

I've attached photos of every fuse related page in the manual

Interesting...are you 100% sure you have IFS? I posted a video in post #6 that goes into great detail how it works. This is not to be confused with headlights that auto dim the hi beam when it senses an oncoming cars’s headlights. The IFS can dim one of more individual LED emitters and leaves the remaining hi beam LEDs on. It creates a dark area on the object as it moves across the light pattern. There should be an explanation in your manual of how to use it and how it works (will probably be in section 5). I know the Korean vehicles have it, and I’ve found a Korean GV80 manual, but because I don’t read or speak Korean, it’s of no use to me.

 

[mcb]

Interesting...are you 100% sure you have IFS? I posted a video in post #6 that goes into great detail how it works. This is not to be confused with headlights that auto dim the hi beam when it senses an oncoming cars’s headlights. The IFS can dim one of more individual LED emitters and leaves the remaining hi beam LEDs on. It creates a dark area on the object as it moves across the light pattern. There should be an explanation in your manual of how to use it and how it works (will probably be in section 5). I know the Korean vehicles have it, and I’ve found a Korean GV80 manual, but because I don’t read or speak Korean, it’s of no use to me.

Yeah definitely got IFS. It’s actually amazing how it dims sections when other vehicles are around, so definitely there.

 

[LostAgain]

Interesting...are you 100% sure you have IFS? I posted a video in post #6 that goes into great detail how it works. This is not to be confused with headlights that auto dim the hi beam when it senses an oncoming cars’s headlights. The IFS can dim one of more individual LED emitters and leaves the remaining hi beam LEDs on. It creates a dark area on the object as it moves across the light pattern. There should be an explanation in your manual of how to use it and how it works (will probably be in section 5). I know the Korean vehicles have it, and I’ve found a Korean GV80 manual, but because I don’t read or speak Korean, it’s of no use to me.

Google offers free online translation. I got a Japanese manual for my mom's car and it's quite useful. She drives a car that was originally sold on the Japanese market. I cut out a few pages from the manual at a time and get them translated. It is useful for things like explaining steering wheel controls. Find the headlight section in your manual and translate that.

 

[mcb]

Page from the manual

 

[SuzBrady]

Do any of the gv80 model levels come with headlights that swivel as the car goes around curves? My Hyundai Santa Fe has that feature yet I can't find any documentation on this feature for the gv80. Thank you.

Yes, the GV80 has this feature.

 

[Amnlupiano]

Page from the manual

Thank you for posting. So, I have to say, I’m more and more convinced the hardware is already in place and just inactive. Because it is activated through the settings, it’s reasonable to believe a software update is all that is needed for activation.

For what it’s worth, I’ve asked Genesis about this issue. Hopefully, they will respond with an answer.

 

[mcb]

There are things the AU models miss too. Such as HDA, would be useful and hopefully also a software option.

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[Amnlupiano]

So, the Adaptive Beam Headlight “issue” has been a problem here in the US for almost a decade! Here’s a brief timeline of why:

1967 - a standard was passed called the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 108, or FMVSS 108 for short. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) state that headlights have to have a dedicated low beam and a high beam.

2003 - The automotive industry is introducing Adaptive Frontal-lighting Systems that can actively change the beam of the headlights. The NHTSA is concerned that such headlighting systems may cause additional glare to oncoming drivers… The agency is also interested in learning whether these adaptive systems can provide any demonstrated benefit...

2005 - The DOT and NHTSA have decided they will NOT look into the matter any further, citing ” we think it may cause glare”...nuff said.

2013 - Both Toyota and Audi petitioned the NHTSA due to “no movement in 10 years since the issue was raised” and requested an immediate rule change to allow adaptive beam headlights. The NHTSA received the petition...and sat on it.

2017 - Volkswagen petitions the NHTSA and requests and immediate ruling and exemption for their system to be allowed....no response from the NHTSA.

2018 - BMW petitions the NHTSA and requests and immediate ruling and exemption for their system to be allowed....no response from the NHTSA.

2018 - The NHTSA acknowledged they received the petition(s) and said “we will look into your requests...we will get back to you Toyota, Audi, VW, BMW, etc.”. NHTSA's proposed rule change should help tame headlights

Spring 2020 - The NHTSA says they are “actively considering making a decision soon...”.

October 2020 - Autoweek cites Audi’s anger that the NHTSA still has done NOTHING to respond to their petition from 2013. NHTSA Still Hasn't Ruled on Adaptive Headlights

And here it is folks...the current state of where this “rule” lies...no movement since it hit the docket. View Rule


US Government agencies are inept and slow is an understatement....

 

[waveman]

So, the Adaptive Beam Headlight “issue” has been a problem here in the US for almost a decade! Here’s a brief timeline of why:

1967 - a standard was passed called the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 108, or FMVSS 108 for short. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) state that headlights have to have a dedicated low beam and a high beam.

2003 - The automotive industry is introducing Adaptive Frontal-lighting Systems that can actively change the beam of the headlights. The NHTSA is concerned that such headlighting systems may cause additional glare to oncoming drivers… The agency is also interested in learning whether these adaptive systems can provide any demonstrated benefit...

2005 - The DOT and NHTSA have decided they will NOT look into the matter any further, citing its in in their belief it “ we think it may cause glare”...nuff said.

2013 - Both Toyota and Audi petitioned the NHTSA due to “no movement in 10 years since the issue was raised” and requested an immediate rule change to allow adaptive beam headlights. The NHTSA received the petition...and sat on it.

2017 - Volkswagen petitions the NHTSA and requests and immediate ruling and exemption for their system to be allowed....no response from the NHTSA.

2018 - BMW petitions the NHTSA and requests and immediate ruling and exemption for their system to be allowed....no response from the NHTSA.

2018 - The NHTSA acknowledged they received the petition(s) and said “we will look into your requests...we will get back to you Toyota, Audi, VW, BMW, etc.”. NHTSA's proposed rule change should help tame headlights

Spring 2020 - The NHTSA says they are “actively considering making a decision soon...”.

October 2020 - Autoweek cites Audi’s anger that the NHTSA still has done NOTHING to respond to their petition from 2013. NHTSA Still Hasn't Ruled on Adaptive Headlights

And here it is folks...the current state of where this “rule” lies...no movement since it hit the docket. View Rule


US Government agencies are inept and slow is an understatement....

Thanks for investigating further. FWIW, I just wrote an email to the DOT asking about this. It's crazy that the NHTSA has dragged its feet on something that would improve safety.

 

[zed245]

I would also like to see if they can activate the augmented nav feature. MB has it and its pretty sweet.

 

[Amnlupiano]

Thanks for investigating further. FWIW, I just wrote an email to the DOT asking about this. It's crazy that the NHTSA has dragged its feet on something that would improve safety.

Did you ever receive an answer? I’ve researched more into this…some cars are using this technology here in the US (some Audi models, Lincoln Aviator, BMW, etc). How they are getting away with it is beyond me. It’s active from the factory. Why Genesis deactivated our system is confusing if this is the case.

 

[SilverGV80]

I still think this is a software suppressed option. The function probably rides on the same power and circuits as that system. They probably by law need to make it defeated to the point where your average joe can't simply pop in a fuse and activate the function. Everything is software-controlled now.

 

[Cranky]

I switched from a 2006 Acura RL to a 2021 GV80 3.5P. The GV80 has better headlights for most situations and the autodimming works reasonably well. But the RL was better for turns in residential areas. The RL had swiveling headlights and they worked well. I find myself missing them when turning in dark neighborhoods.

 

[Cameron_Anywhere]

Smart adaptive headlights are finally coming to the US

Adaptive Driving Beams are coming to the US, NHTSA rules.

www.theverge.com

So intelligent high beams have now been cleared for use in the US by the NHTSA, a year and a half before the infrastructure bill originally proposed. Does this mean that all Genesis models will soon come with the technology? I do know the non-US versions of the GV80 and G80 for example feature the technology, but can the feature be enabled via software update in the US, or does the US version just feature basic, non-matrix high beams?

 

[TinsleyC]

Good question. No idea if the hardware is already in the 2022 Genesis cars. If not, it could take a couple years to get there. If it's already on Korean model cars, then we might get it sooner.

Interesting video on it.

 

[Bill Hall]

Good question. No idea if the hardware is already in the 2022 Genesis cars. If not, it could take a couple years to get there. If it's already on Korean model cars, then we might get it sooner.

Interesting video on it.

I have the 22 G80 Prestige, and it has HBA - high beam assist. It will switch to low beams if there's enough light without high beams, or if it detects city street lamps or the headlamps of an approacing car or tail lights of a car in front or headlight or tail light of a bicycle or motorcycle. Otherwise, it turns on high beams. I don't know if it works, though. Haven't driven my car out of the city at night yet.

I do not apparently have what was in that video.

 

[EdP]

I have the 22 G80 Prestige, and it has HBA - high beam assist. It will switch to low beams if there's enough light without high beams, or if it detects city street lamps or the headlamps of an approacing car or tail lights of a car in front or headlight or tail light of a bicycle or motorcycle. Otherwise, it turns on high beams. I don't know if it works, though. Haven't driven my car out of the city at night yet.

I do not apparently have what was in that video.

Works well on the highway or the two lanes. There has been a couple of cases on twisty back roads it did not go back to high beam fast enough but they are rare.