Genesis not as good as a back hoe in the snow

[OldSpice]

Played around in the snow for a while today
I really hated the ECS, it controlled the ABS and the Traction Control.
Whatever happened to the old days?
I didn't figure out I could turn it off until I was done playing.
Genny is back in the garage until further notice.

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[ctrcbob]

I guess it never snows in Korea, or in California where the car was designed.

 

[OldSpice]

To be fair to Hyundai the ESC (Electronic Stability Control) prevented me from loosing control but it was something very new to me and as soon as the car detected slippage it took over and corrected the problem. I would want this for my children but not me.

 

[Cut-Throat]

To be fair to Hyundai the ESC (Electronic Stability Control) prevented me from loosing control but it was something very new to me and as soon as the car detected slippage it took over and corrected the problem. I would want this for my children but not me.

Here's the deal. You want ESC when driving around. If you hit an icy patch, it will keep you from losing control. If you are trying to get going from a standing stop in snow and cannot, then turn off the ESC until you get going. I live in Minnesota and we have had over 40 inches this month alone.

 

[kermit_xc]

Played around in the snow for a while today
I really hated the ECS, it controlled the ABS and the Traction Control.
Whatever happened to the old days?
I didn't figure out I could turn it off until I was done playing.
Genny is back in the garage until further notice.

Had picks but they didn't download

it's a 4k pounds big ass luxury sedan - I just don't understand people expecting it to handle like a M3 or what not ... you want to peel out and race stop lights, bad news ... got the wrong car

 

[OldSpice]

it's a 4k pounds big ass luxury sedan - I just don't understand people expecting it to handle like a M3 or what not ... you want to peel out and race stop lights, bad news ... got the wrong car

This post is about handling in snow not racing between stop lights.
Call me old fashion but I don't want the car to drive for me,
this feature 'ECS' is designed for less experienced people.
Although it is impressive, it's not for me!
I hope you are okay with that.

 

[Cut-Throat]

This post is about handling in snow not racing between stop lights.
Call me old fashion but I don't want the car to drive for me,
this feature 'ECS' is designed for less experienced people.
Although it is impressive, it's not for me!
I hope you are okay with that.

Actually ESC was designed for Race Cars, so they would not lose control. - You just have to know how to use it. Always keep it engaged, except if stuck in snow or just trying to go from a complete stop. It will save your life if your car hits ice at 70 mph.

 

[CapoCriminali]

Actually ESC was designed for Race Cars, so they would not lose control. - You just have to know how to use it. Always keep it engaged, except if stuck in snow or just trying to go from a complete stop. It will save your life if your car hits ice at 70 mph.

Yeah. It sucks for being stuck in snow, but when your car is out of control... it definitely helps - especially if you don't know how to drive RWD.

I'm torn between using it and not - my biggest problem is that even at the smallest slip, it seems like the Genesis cuts all power to the rear wheels. Yesterday, driving from the Bronx to Manhattan and back, I slid around a corner and wasn't able to correct because ESC cut all power to the drive wheels. Had ESC not been on, as it was later in the trip, (I turned it off with the button, which doesn't fully disable it...) I would have been able to aim the front wheels down the street and use the rear wheels to maneuver the car.

Does anyone have any comments? What do you do when ESC neuters your ability to maneuver out of a dangerous situation?

 

[Cut-Throat]

, I slid around a corner and wasn't able to correct because ESC cut all power to the drive wheels. Had ESC not been on, as it was later in the trip, (I turned it off with the button, which doesn't fully disable it...) I would have been able to aim the front wheels down the street and use the rear wheels to maneuver the car.

Does anyone have any comments? What do you do when ESC neuters your ability to maneuver out of a dangerous situation?

I have played around a lot with ESC in the snow the last couple of weeks. You just have to get used to it. Let IT do it's thing if you are rolling, it will correct before you can. It's a lot like anti-lock brakes. If you try and pump them while the ABS is trying to do its thing, you will make things worse.

Don't anticipate trying to correct the slide yourself. Just let the ESC do it for you. Only turn off the ESC if you are not moving or trying to crawl up an icy hill.

 

[CapoCriminali]

I have played around a lot with ESC in the snow the last couple of weeks. You just have to get used to it. Let IT do it's thing if you are rolling, it will correct before you can. It's a lot like anti-lock brakes. If you try and pump them while the ABS is trying to do its thing, you will make things worse.

Don't anticipate trying to correct the slide yourself. Just let the ESC do it for you. Only turn off the ESC if you are not moving or trying to crawl up an icy hill.

See, I dunno. I'm not saying you're wrong, since you've probably had more opportunity to play with it, but from the way I felt, ESC just turned my car into a giant sled. No power to the rear wheels what-so-ever... which could be much more dangerous than having it off and using my own judgement, imo. Although - do you continue to try to accelerate when this happens, or just let your foot off the gas and steer?

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[OldSpice]

See, Although - do you continue to try to accelerate when this happens, or just let your foot off the gas and steer?

You already said there was no power to the rear wheels, I also found that the ESC controls everything, pressing the gas does nothing.

 

[CapoCriminali]

You already said there was no power to the rear wheels, I also found that the ESC controls everything, pressing the gas does nothing.

Nod, that's fair. I wasn't sure if when it detected it had some level of traction, if it put power back to the wheels. Shrug. For me it'll be ESC off, I think. I played a bit more on the way to work, and it seems better on slippery (Snow/slush/ice too maybe) local roads with it off rather than on. I have more control of the vehicle, and there's less "what's going to happen"... AmINuts? Perhaps.

 

[sarge]

My GF and I drove my first Genesis about 60 miles last winter just so we could reach some snow. I was suprised at how effective the ESC was at correcting rear wheel traction loss. For drivers that didn't grow up driving RWD vehicles on dirt roads or in snow, the ESC is going to be overwhelmingly safer than a reasonably powerful RWD vehicle without that feature. In that regard, I prefer that every other dirver on the road have ESC, for the same reason that I prefer every other driver have a FWD vehicle.

I'm old enough to have grown up driving RWD vehicles. I've also got half a dozen recent years racing both front and rear wheel drive vehicles on dirt ovals. I lived (and drove) 5 years in Alaska, 4 years in Germany, and 3 years in the mountains of West Virginia/Maryland. It is likely that my experiences would actually work against me in some circumstances if I'm driving a RWD vehicle equiped with ESC and hit a slippery patch. For almost everyone else, ESC would be much safer than an unassisted recovery attempt.

 

[viguanna]

Ok...I have read both sides of this issue... . I live in South Dakota which also see's tons of snow, ice, freezin rain etc.. IMO I must admit I am a bit divided. I see and agree with both sides. I think the ESC does a fantastic job for most drivers. There are a few who like to have fun and the system can make things a bit dull but overall its operation just makes things safer for everyone around you and for yourself. There are quite a few not so smart people out there that need this type of technology.

I like to play as much as I can with my Genny to see how far I can push her (safely of coarse) in controlled places. Trust me if you want to have fun there have been many times where I pushed my Genny to far and ESC "gave up" and let me have full control until it sensed normalicy and kicked back in.

What you guys are missing I think is there are 2 independent systems at work here... You have traction control and stability control coupled with ABS. My suggestion to hyundai to please ALL would be have a switch for each system....1 for traction and one for stability. Both switches should be either on or off not this sorta off thing. Either side of the fence to me is still fun to play or just drive on. I am impressed either way with my Genesis!

 

[Gambler]

There is always the ESC mod for those who don't like the nannying.