GV80 3.5TT

[3.3 Rulz]

 

[Ptcrusn]

WOW

 

[3.3 Rulz]

0 to 60 on 6.5 seconds, what gives, was it a hot day or what, I was expecting 5.5 secs or so, it definitely will need a JB4 tune, because if it's that slow, might as well stick with the 2.5T
Large rims make it worse as expected, braking too a lot longer distance to stop than 20's.
Those rim size wars are starting to be like transmissions were before, always adding more gears, 9, 10 speed, now they settling back to 8, which is enough, same with rim size, 20's should be the biggest rims on any vehicle, anything bigger will just hurt performance and mpg.
I hope the GV70 will have 20's and will be in the low 5's with the 3.5TT engine.

 

[SuperKing]

Yeah, a little disappointed in the 0-60 time... Should've kept the V8 in the lineup. I hope the G80 isn't this slow... I'm pretty sure my old 2011 Sonata turbo was as fast as this.

 

[EdP]

Yeah, a little disappointed in the 0-60 time... Should've kept the V8 in the lineup. I hope the G80 isn't this slow... I'm pretty sure my old 2011 Sonata turbo was as fast as this.

Those days are gone. The V-8 was a hefty up-charge in a competitive market. Aside from a bunch of enthusiasts here, does it matter? It is both a cost and EPA regulation thing driving the decision. I bet 75% of SUVs never see the pedal pushed more than half way, another 23% maybe once a month passing or going on the highway.

Maybe it will happen when NASCAR adds an SUV category and the image changes. .

 

[Starflyer]

I bet 75% of SUVs never see the pedal pushed more than half way, another 23% maybe once a month passing or going on the highway.

Put me in the 75% group. As if a second faster is ever going to change my life...

 

[Backslack]

Not sure where the people on Wikipedia got the "official" 0-60 times for the GV80, but they claim that it's supposed to be 5.5 seconds for the 3.5T.

Genesis GV80 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The original leaked specs claimed that it was supposed to be 5.7 seconds:

2020 Genesis GV80 To Have Up To 375 HP, Will Reportedly Start Under $50,000 In Korea | Carscoops

The GV80 is roughly the same size as the BMW X5 and it will be offered with three different engines

www.carscoops.com

I like Charlie, but he needs to work on his launch technique.

 

[ctsooner]

Slack, are you saying that it more probably will be under 6 sec as was talked about in carscoops? Torque is another important deal. I will need to drive both engines to see if the upgrade is worth it and then make my decisions about which car to get.

 

[SuperKing]

Those days are gone. The V-8 was a hefty up-charge in a competitive market. Aside from a bunch of enthusiasts here, does it matter? It is both a cost and EPA regulation thing driving the decision. I bet 75% of SUVs never see the pedal pushed more than half way, another 23% maybe once a month passing or going on the highway.

Maybe it will happen when NASCAR adds an SUV category and the image changes. .

And for those buyers, there's the 2.5T. When you buy the fast one, you expect it to be fast. At $66k a fully loaded base engine X5 is cheaper than the 3.5T Prestige and over a full second quicker to 60 than what Charlie got. You'll get a similarly spec'd car for $5k less than the GV80 and go faster. An X5 V8 will do 4.6s and isn't that much more than the 3.5T Prestige.

It's possible that Charlie's launch sucked but really, just stomping the pedal should've got him close and be off a few tenths of a second. If they're building a competing product, don't you think it should.... compete? Especially when the competition's base model is quicker than the fully loaded?

 

[Backslack]

Slack, are you saying that it more probably will be under 6 sec as was talked about in carscoops?

I'm saying that Charlie's test is much slower than what the actual specs claim to be, and should be taken with a grain of salt. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt until the car actually arrives.

The current G90 3.3T has less power and weighs roughly the same as the GV80, and journalists here have easily been able to hit flat 5-second runs with it. I doubt the more powerful 3.5T will be a downgrade from that.

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[EdP]

And for those buyers, there's the 2.5T. When you buy the fast one, you expect it to be fast. At $66k a fully loaded base engine X5 is cheaper than the 3.5T Prestige and over a full second quicker to 60 than what Charlie got. You'll get a similarly spec'd car for $5k less than the GV80 and go faster. An X5 V8 will do 4.6s and isn't that much more than the 3.5T Prestige.

It's possible that Charlie's launch sucked but really, just stomping the pedal should've got him close and be off a few tenths of a second. If they're building a competing product, don't you think it should.... compete? Especially when the competition's base model is quicker than the fully loaded?

What would you do to compete in speed? Add a few thou $ for a bigger engine? Take away some features to reduce weight? How many sales will you gain/lose with those changes?

Surely you have some ideas.

Aside from a bunch of people like those here, does it matter? If you pull up to your house or work in a new car good chance people around will say "Nice car" How many ask what the 0-60 time is? If you randomly asked 100 people what the 0-60 time is on their car, how many will know or care? Ask them what the top 3 reasons are for choosing their present car. How many will answer 0-60 time?

 

[ctsooner]

Ed, I hang with the wrong crowd I guess, lol. We always ask about handling first. Always. Then it's how fast is it. What we really mean is, do you feel like you have enough power that you need to take it out of sports mode for normal driving. Then we talk about luxury items. Honestly, I never use cruise control. I THNK I'd enjoy the new autonomous type of driving a lot of the time. Having the leg issues I have, there are some days I just don't feel like driving, but if I knew that I could do most of the driving on those days using cruise, I'd be much more willing to get out.

I asked my friend who for over 20 years was in BMW's top 50 sales people (won those free trips yearly). Keith told me that at least 75% of his customers did care about handling and quickness. They did care about 0-60-0 numbers, but it wasn't the most important thing. It used to be handling, when that's what BMW was known for, but switched to other things as the cars evolved.

My only point is that if you are competing with top cars in your segment and charging top dollar now, you have to offer the mechanics to compete. Let's see the real numbers when it shows up. As I have been saying from day one, I need to drive one.

 

[SuperKing]

What would you do to compete in speed? Add a few thou $ for a bigger engine? Take away some features to reduce weight? How many sales will you gain/lose with those changes?

Surely you have some ideas.

Aside from a bunch of people like those here, does it matter? If you pull up to your house or work in a new car good chance people around will say "Nice car" How many ask what the 0-60 time is? If you randomly asked 100 people what the 0-60 time is on their car, how many will know or care? Ask them what the top 3 reasons are for choosing their present car. How many will answer 0-60 time?

They already had a 420hp answer. No need for a complicated motor with turbos. The 3.3T G80 sport gets the same MPG as my 5.0L, I expect the 3.5T to be worse so where's the benefit?

If none of it matters, why offer the more powerful engine? The 2.5T should be good enough for everyone. MB's website lists 0-60 times right under the price for a reason... If BMW can do it for less money, why can't Hyundai/Genesis? I'm sure their engineers are as good if not better. You expect a top of the line luxury vehicle to do certain things and by today's standards, 0-60 around 5 seconds is one of them. The day it won't matter anymore is the day cars no longer have steering wheels and humans no longer need to do the driving.

It's going to be embarrassing to be driving a top of the line GV80 when a fully loaded I6 X5 is faster and cheaper. The soccer mom SUV seems like the better buy here. Maybe it's just a Vancouver thing but almost every GLE I see here is an AMG 63 so I don't think Genesis will have trouble selling something more powerful. At least have it keep up with the cheapest X5.

 

[TurtleBoy]

It's going to be embarrassing to be driving a top of the line GV80 when a fully loaded I6 X5 is faster and cheaper.

Not sure about Canada but that is not the case in the US, a "fully loaded" X5 40i is about $10k or so more than the top of the line GV80.

 

[Regor60]

They already had a 420hp answer. No need for a complicated motor with turbos. The 3.3T G80 sport gets the same MPG as my 5.0L, I expect the 3.5T to be worse so where's the benefit?

If none of it matters, why offer the more powerful engine? The 2.5T should be good enough for everyone. MB's website lists 0-60 times right under the price for a reason... If BMW can do it for less money, why can't Hyundai/Genesis? I'm sure their engineers are as good if not better. You expect a top of the line luxury vehicle to do certain things and by today's standards, 0-60 around 5 seconds is one of them. The day it won't matter anymore is the day cars no longer have steering wheels and humans no longer need to do the driving.

It's going to be embarrassing to be driving a top of the line GV80 when a fully loaded I6 X5 is faster and cheaper. The soccer mom SUV seems like the better buy here. Maybe it's just a Vancouver thing but almost every GLE I see here is an AMG 63 so I don't think Genesis will have trouble selling something more powerful. At least have it keep up with the cheapest X5.

"Embarrassing" lol. External validation much ?

 

[EdP]

They already had a 420hp answer. No need for a complicated motor with turbos. The 3.3T G80 sport gets the same MPG as my 5.0L, I expect the 3.5T to be worse so where's the benefit?

If none of it matters, why offer the more powerful engine?

It's going to be embarrassing to be driving a top of the line GV80 when a fully loaded I6 X5 is faster and cheaper.

I don't know why the V8 was dropped. EPA regulations? I'm sure decisions to make a new engine and invest many millions is not done lightly. I wasn't invited to the meetings.

Embarrassed? Get the dark tint on your windows so people don't recognize you. I'm sure there are also the few that equate horsepower to penis size. We drive cars, not statistics.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Embarrassed? Get the dark tint on your windows so people don't recognize you. I'm sure there are also the few that equate horsepower to penis size. We drive cars, not statistics.

I think in many cases it seems to be inversely proportional.

 

[SuperKing]

Embarrassed? Get the dark tint on your windows so people don't recognize you. I'm sure there are also the few that equate horsepower to penis size. We drive cars, not statistics.

Non-sequitur, the embarrassment comes from feeling ripped off. Knowing that you bought the fast version that isn't fast. Has nothing to do with what others think. If it did, I wouldn't be driving a $65k Hyundai.

 

[EdP]

Non-sequitur, the embarrassment comes from feeling ripped off. Knowing that you bought the fast version that isn't fast. Has nothing to do with what others think. If it did, I wouldn't be driving a $65k Hyundai.

Our opinions and expectations differ. Anything south of 7 seconds will get you to work on time. If I want fast, it won't be an SUV.
How are you ripped off? You know what is is going in so you make the choice, yes or no. If they told you 4 seconds and at best it is 10, then you got ripped off.

 

[ctsooner]

Ed, Here are the larger engine SUV's that I THINK that Genesis 3.5 is going up against:

GLE 450 (second engine), 362hp/369 5.6 sec
BMW X5 40 (smallest engine), 335 hp 5.2 sec , 50 engine 456 hp 4.6 sec
Audi Q8 (base) 5.6 sec
Jag F Pace P300 5.8,
Jaguar F Pace P380 5.1
Land Rover Velar 5.3 sec

I did this more to see for myself what others offer. I had never done this, but am not surprised. I personally feel (not talking for anyone else) that when I purchase a vehicle at this price range, that I want the powertrain as well as the brakes that the others offer. I watched Charlie's video this afternoon I can easily see the 3.5 giving us a 5.6 or so. If so, it's in the ball park for sure. As we have all said from day one, it's fun to speculate and what forums are for. In the end though, we need to wait to see others measurements and more importantly to drive the darn thing.