GV80 3.5TT

[Backslack]

Official 0-60 times of the GV80 from the Korean brochure. 6.9 seconds for the 2.5T and 5.5 seconds for the 3.5T. Identical to the times of the GLE. The Wikipedia page wasn't lying:

 

[Beefer]

Official 0-60 times of the GV80 from the Korean brochure. 6.9 seconds for the 2.5T and 5.5 seconds for the 3.5T. Identical to the times of the GLE. The Wikipedia page wasn't lying:

It’s not 0-60. It’s 0-100 km/h.

So 0-60 mph for the 3.5T becomes ~5.3 seconds.

Also...the current G80 Sport is 5 seconds to 60. With a JB4 that becomes 4.5 seconds (I think @dareckibmw did it in 4.4 with E85).

 

[Midnightsun]

Nice numbers, would be nice if they mentioned trim, tire size and fuel type though.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Nice numbers, would be nice if they mentioned trim, tire size and fuel type though.

I think manufacturers do their testing with the base model of each engine.

 

[Londoner01]

It’s not 0-60. It’s 0-100 km/h.

So 0-60 mph for the 3.5T becomes ~5.3 seconds.

Also...the current G80 Sport is 5 seconds to 60. With a JB4 that becomes 4.5 seconds (I think @dareckibmw did it in 4.4 with E85).

Just for everyone's info, 0-100 KPH, is exact 0-62.5 MPH.

 

[Beefer]

Just for everyone's info, 0-100 KPH, is exact 0-62.5 MPH.

Actually 62.14

 

[ctsooner]

Splitting hairs. Yes, we will have to wait until it gets here to see the tests and to drive them ourselves. I disagree that you can't get the difference between a tenth of a second or even a half second. There are so many variables doing tests, but when you drive a car with two engine choices that are a second apart, it's easy to tell the difference. Torque is probably a huge reason as is gearing, but I have felt the differences with Jag, BMW and Audi vehicles. When you track, you do feel the differences. We used to take the various BMW 5 and 3 series out and it was easy to tell the difference.

In the end, it doesn't matter as everyone has different desires and needs. Heck, if I feel the smaller engine is fine, I may just get the Prestige model there. I have to see what I lose compared to the Advance or Prestige of the 3.5T vs the 2.5. We will all see soon enough and then we can have discussions about other things, lol.

 

[YEH]

Interesting enough, Charlie finds that the 3.5TT GV80 handles better than the 2.5T G80.

At the 29 min mark.

GV80 3.5TT

Official 0-60 times of the GV80 from the Korean brochure. 6.9 seconds for the 2.5T and 5.5 seconds for the 3.5T. Identical to the times of the GLE. The Wikipedia page wasn't lying:

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[Backslack]

Someone in Korea dyno'd the 3.5T in the G80 running regular gasoline, and got 315 peak horsepower from the wheels:

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Unfortunately, they didn't do it with premium, and so we don't know the difference, which is what actually matters.

 

[ctsooner]

I have such a hard time believing that there would be that large a difference in power output using regular instead of 92 octane. I can see some power differences. I have been searing online and reading way too much about octane and power etc... Very few engines are designed to use regular octane, but are high compression and perform so much better using 92/3 octane. Most of the talk is about knocking and not more power etc... I even read the FTC's opinion. lol.

As has been stated, they need to do testing with 92 octane (premium in most stations), on a track, using professional drivers to get the true rating. It's as much curiosity as anything. I just need to drive them to see.

I took the Jag I Pace out yesterday and it's a screamer. Damn that car is fast and being electric, it put me back in my seat big time. I then took out their F Pace with the smaller engine of 247 hp (not sure of torque) as well as the supercharged 380 HP engine (the one in my XFS). The larger engine made a substantial difference. The smaller engine was still fun to drive and will make me rethink which engines I'll really need in an SUV. It's a different ride than I'm used to. I rarely drive my wife's Q5. It's plenty quick at 5.9 sec to 60.

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[Backslack]

I have such a hard time believing that there would be that large a difference in power output using regular instead of 92 octane.

Dyno tests are usually 10-15% or even lower than the actual manufacturer's numbers. Manufacturers measure it directly from the engine, dyno tests only do so from the wheels. That's why I said the difference is what matters (between the premium and regular dyno test), not the number itself, since we don't know what the correction factor is.

One thing for sure though is that Genesis isn't underrating the 3.5T as much as the Germans, who on dyno tests have had numbers that either match or exceed the manufacturer stated horsepower and torque.

 

[ctsooner]

All the European's do that from the Italians, to the Germans to the British. I don't know about the French since they aren't in the US. Thanks for clarifying. Again, I'll need to test drive for a bit and not just the around the block and 1mile on a highway.

That's how Jag got my business 3 years ago. As much as I love the look of the F Pace and how it drives, I hate the electronics. I doubt that even their refreshed 2021 F Pace will be that much better and their cruise control isn't close to what het others offer and that's a huge deal for me. I never have used it other than when I tested the G80 3 yeas ago. I loved how it drove itself and the new system is better they said. Jag's is just a simple you can control the space between you adn the car in front. When I turned on the off ramp, it showed the slower speed and sped me up to 65 as that's what the highway setting was.

Hope to see soon like all of us, lol...

 

[Gurgeh]

Revisiting this thread with a different question on the 3.5tt V6. Not on the elements that deliver 0-60 times on the GV80 vs. competing vehicles. Rather, my question is on how Genesis got to its horsepower rating on this fairly large-bore twin turbo six cylinder.

I'm not criticizing Genesis' decision to deliver a quiet, smooth, but powerful luxury crossover driving experience, counter to the approach the German competition is taking as they try to push the envelope (and physics) with their sportier approach. Both are valid choices. I'm also not arguing that the GV80 at 375hp, 391 lb-ft torque is underpowered.

But 375hp is actually not that much given the size of this V6 twin turbo. For comparison, Lincoln has crossovers/SUVs that take a similar approach to the GV80, focusing on a smooth and comfortable driving experience that still packs a real punch. Lincoln has three different twin turbo V6s, none of them aggressively tuned (as is also the case with the GV80's V6). The smallest, a 334hp 2.7tt is in the Nautilus (a little smaller vehicle than the GV80). The next biggest is a 400hp 3.0tt in the Aviator (a little larger vehicle than the GV80). The biggest is a 450hp 3.5tt in the Navigator (a much much larger vehicle than the GV80). Just wondering over the striking difference in power output in Genesis' 3.5 vs. both Lincoln's 3.0 and 3.5.

Any techies here with any thoughts why?

 

[Backslack]

The Aviator engine is not more powerful despite what the spec sheets suggest. According to Car and Driver's GV80 test, the Aviator was over half a second slower to 60 than the GV80 and GLE, and over a second slower than the X5. The X5's engine was only rated at 335 HP yet it's clearly the most potent of the entire group despite having the lowest numbers on paper- though part of that might be due to BMW's incredible programming of the ZF 8-speed.

The Aviator is only 200 pounds heavier than the GV80, which in the context of 5000 pound lifted boxes, is a negligible difference.

 

[AJB]

Put me in the 75% group. As if a second faster is ever going to change my life...

The GV80 is intended to be a luxurious SUV, not a balls to the wall high performance Mercedes AMG. If they come out further down the road with a Sport option ok then I could see the V-8 option or a higher tuned 3.5 Liter Twin Turbo. Otherwise it's got more than ample power with the 3.5 option and a luxurious interior. Genesis got it right with their first SUV.

 

[Gurgeh]

AJB, I don't disagree with you. As I said with my earlier post, I think the GV80 has plenty of power and I also appreciate the design philosophy behind it. My question was a technical one about just the engine. That is, why the Lincoln 3.0 and 3.5 liter twin turbo V6s, neither of which are aggressively tuned and both used for SUVs with a similar design philosophy, produce so much more hp and torque than the Genesis 3.5tt V6. I'm sure there is a gear-head answer, but I don't know it. I assume that the HP of the Lincoln and Genesis engines are measured in the same way, but maybe not.

 

[Backslack]

AJB, I don't disagree with you. As I said with my earlier post, I think the GV80 has plenty of power and I also appreciate the design philosophy behind it. My question was a technical one about just the engine. That is, why the Lincoln 3.0 and 3.5 liter twin turbo V6s, neither of which are aggressively tuned and both used for SUVs with a similar design philosophy, produce so much more hp and torque than the Genesis 3.5tt V6. I'm sure there is a gear-head answer, but I don't know it. I assume that the HP of the Lincoln and Genesis engines are measured in the same way, but maybe not.

It's meaningless to refer to arbitrary numbers on a spec sheet over real life testing, where the GV80 blows away the Aviator. Every manufacturer measures HP and torque differently. Especially the German brands, who tend to underrate the power of their engines. Bear in mind that Genesis's powertrain and chassis development is being led by a German engineer who used to run BMW's M division.

 

[Gurgeh]

It's meaningless to refer to arbitrary numbers on a spec sheet over real life testing, where the GV80 blows away the Aviator. Every manufacturer measures HP and torque differently.

It may be meaningless to you, but not to me. What it tells me is that Genesis did a wonderful job in designing and integrating the GV80 as a whole, all tethered to its design philosophy for the vehicle. What it doesn't tell me is how much more power the vehicle might have had (or how much lighter the vehicle might have been if the same output was achieved from an engine a half-liter smaller) if its engine met the benchmark others have met in terms of power output per engine displacement in its twin turbo V6. ...if we are indeed talking apples to apples in hp/torque measurement, which to your point maybe we're not. But again, my question is purely a techie question about engine power output and its measurement, not the vehicle itself (which I agree is quite impressive).

 

[Backslack]

It may be meaningless to you, but not to me. What it tells me is that Genesis did a wonderful job in designing and integrating the GV80 as a whole, all tethered to its design philosophy for the vehicle. What it doesn't tell me is how much more power the vehicle might have had (or how much lighter the vehicle might have been if the same output was achieved from an engine a half-liter smaller) if its engine met the benchmark others have met in terms of power output per engine displacement in its twin turbo V6. ...if we are indeed talking apples to apples in hp/torque measurement, which to your point maybe we're not. But again, my question is purely a techie question about engine power output and its measurement, not the vehicle itself (which I agree is quite impressive).

Go rent both cars and put them on the same dyno then if you really want to know. Doesn't change the fact that despite being only 200 pounds lighter, the GV80 is a faster car than the Aviator despite what the power numbers suggest. The only people who know how HP is measured for each brand is the manufacturer, and there is no universal standard for it. It's why the X5 with its 335 ponies easily demolishes the supposed 400 HP Aviator.

 

[EdP]

Go rent both cars and put them on the same dyno then if you really want to know. Doesn't change the fact that despite being only 200 pounds lighter, the GV80 is a faster car than the Aviator despite what the power numbers suggest. The only people who know how HP is measured for each brand is the manufacturer, and there is no universal standard for it. It's why the X5 with its 335 ponies easily demolishes the supposed 400 HP Aviator.

And don't get hung up on HP ratings alone. There is a transmission and differential in play too and the gear ratios matter on acceleration. You can change them to get better acceleration or better fuel mileage.