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I've been told that the Prestige package (with 22" wheels) does NOT come with the 3rd row (I'm still holding out hope that configurations will change before launch). I don't know why the 3rd row can't be an option on every trim package. How/why are they billing this SUV as a "3-row SUV" but not offering the 3rd row in the highest trim package - which is what they keep showing off!
 
The way I look at it is, how much is a CPO vs a new Genesis.
And CPO Genesis is somehow not a thing? Comparing used German cars that depreciate like rocks to a brand new Genesis (or any other new vehicle) is completely off-base. By that logic more people would rather spend their 35k on a CPO BMW 5-Series than a new fully-loaded Camry- which we all know never happens.

Some of the self-entitlement I've been seeing recently has been absurd. Some here want these cars to be 30%+ cheaper than the competition, while offering the customization options of a Porsche- because that's what it takes for them to get over the badge. Forget how good the car actually is. Absolutely hilarious. Didn't stop mountains of others from buying Kia Tellurides.
 
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I am talking roughly numbers. $15K difference for example may steer a lot of new comers away. If you are spending 65k on Hyundai spend another 15k and get BMW, that's how the conversation will be and that's how people think. Remember, the brand name has big impact and it gets stronger and stronger with the reduction of price gap.
The almost non existence of stand alone Genesis dealership and the quality of sales and after sales services provided by majority of Hyundai dealers selling Genesis aren't compelling either and therefore those factors add to the price gap difference in attracting people toward Genesis or European brands.
If you personally pick Genesis even if it was 1k cheaper or more expensive that's a different story

Genesis knows they will never win going after this type of buyer, since they would never choose a "Hyundai" over a European mark regardless of how cheap it is. If that buyer really was going to be swayed then they would get the Palisade.

Genesis is aiming at the new crop of luxury buyers, who don't have this emotional attachment to a long gone brand image. With BMW, MB and the rest of the established marques going further and further down market ($30K can get you into a brand new one these days) and Genesis giving you everything they do and more without the $15K hit, its going to make sense for younger buyers.
 
^What he said
 
And CPO Genesis is somehow not a thing? Comparing used German cars that depreciate like rocks to a brand new Genesis (or any other new vehicle) is completely off-base. By that logic more people would rather spend their 35k on a CPO BMW 5-Series than a new fully-loaded Camry- which we all know never happens.

Some of the self-entitlement I've been seeing recently has been absurd. Some here want these cars to be 30%+ cheaper than the competition, while offering the customization options of a Porsche- because that's what it takes for them to get over the badge. Forget how good the car actually is. Absolutely hilarious. Didn't stop mountains of others from buying Kia Tellurides.

There will not be a GV80 CPO when I am ready to purchase a car at the end of Sept, so for me NO it's not an option. If it was, I would go that route. Since I can get a CPO British or German SUV loaded the way I want for less than the GV80, is MY OWN apples to apples. It's what I'm looking at, not you! I don't care about what anyone else is wanting to do or how they look at anything. That's ridiculous since I'm just talking about my own personal situation. I hope you aren't calling me self-entitled as that's the last thing I am. I have worked my ass off my whole life (working since age 12) and have earned every dime I made before becoming disabled at age 45 and wasn't able to work anymore.

My own personal feeling is that it does need to be a lot less than the other cars and it is. It's why I'm looking at it. If it was more money, I'd just get a much lower priced CPO as I've done a great job financially going that route. I personally love the idea of not options. I'm buying a car, not a badge. I'm looking at the Genesis, because the G80 Sport was nearly my choice three years ago, but the Jag drove much better adn I got a great deal that made a ton of sense. I've been telling a lot of friends about Genesis since I drove it three years ago and a few have bought them.

I have zero badge envy and never have. I purchase quality in everything I buy as it's worth it in the long run. BTW, I also owned a used Highlander that had cloth seats and ZERO options for 5 years and I loved it. (I also had a BMW convertible at the same time, but rarely even took it out). No badge envy.
 
I am not talking about the GV80 specifically, but Genesis in general. It's fine that you are one of the few who would cross-shop a used CPO European vehicle to a new Genesis, but to demand Genesis be cheaper than the CPO European vehicle is very much the definition of "self-entitlement". Go back to my example with a Camry. Some people here are basically demanding the GV80 to be the same price as a new mid-trim Hyundai Palisade. That is absolutely unreasonable. And whether you like it or not, a CPO vehicle will never compare to a new one, especially German CPO programs which do nothing but tack an extra year onto the existing warranty.

My comments concerning the 30%+ discount and unlimited customization options weren't targeted at you, but many of the previous posts.
 
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That's ridiculous since I'm just talking about my own personal situation. I hope you aren't calling me self-entitled as that's the last thing I am.
If you step back a little it is actually funny. We all have different priorities and quirks. Not just this forum but if you participate in any of them over time you see things that will seem silly to you, however important to the person bringing it up. Ask 10 people what is the most important three things in selecting a car you will get 12 different opinions.

No one can see me when I chuckle at their reasons for not buying, but they may laugh at me too. Just as Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors, I'd only buy maybe 4 of them. Actually, that's false. I'd skip BR and buy Haagen Daz vanilla bean because like you, I prefer quality and vanilla is the best flavor.

As for choosing a car, first thing is has to do it look good to me. I don't care on the first step about performance, options, price, reliability, there are some cars I just don't want to drive them because I don't like their looks. Yet others just love the ones I rejected. Once I like the looks, then I look deeper. So buy what works for you and I'll buy what works for me.
 
I am not talking about the GV80 specifically, but Genesis in general. It's fine that you are one of the few who would cross-shop a used CPO European vehicle to a new Genesis, but to demand Genesis be cheaper than the CPO European vehicle is very much the definition of "self-entitlement". Go back to my example with a Camry. Some people here are basically demanding the GV80 to be the same price as a new mid-trim Hyundai Palisade. That is absolutely unreasonable. And whether you like it or not, a CPO vehicle will never compare to a new one, especially German CPO programs which do nothing but tack an extra year onto the existing warranty.

My comments concerning the 30%+ discount and unlimited customization options weren't targeted at you, but many of the previous posts.

I never demanded the car be cheaper at all. If that was me, it came out wrong. What I can get for 55k is a one year old, 4500 miles, fully loaded Jaguar XF SVR. That's their big 8 cylinder engine. It's a beast. I don't want it, but the point is a one year old Jag has 4 full years left on the warranty. That's actually one more year than the Genesis and it's already taken that huge depreciation hit that all cars have. This is the reason I look for CPO"s when I can. Again, as was stated, we all look at different things when buying.

I do want new when I can. I love the look of the GV80 or I wouldn't be here. Like others, I need to know exactly what it will come with fully decked out. Will they offer the satin finish (I highly doubt it or they would have probably shown it already). Will it offer a no touch rear hatch opening? Being handicap and using a rollator, that's almost a necessary thing as I"m used to it and I love it. You and others have deals that are most important to you. That's what makes this fun.
 
I don't want it, but the point is a one year old Jag has 4 full years left on the warranty. That's actually one more year than the Genesis and it's already taken that huge depreciation hit that all cars have.

The Genesis comes with a 5 year new car warranty and a 10 year powertrain warranty.
 
Yep, and CPO Genesis extends that limited bumper-to-bumper warranty to 6 years, while maintaining the 10 year powertrain warranty. The downside of buying any H/K product secondhand is that the powetrain warranty gets halved without CPO. Admittedly, Jaguar's CPO warranty is the best in the luxury market at 7 years bumper to bumper, but they're not known for their reliability even when compared to the Germans.

If it's a matter of features, I can understand why someone would be looking at the competition (at least until we have more solid official details rather than dealer and journalist hearsay). But I still stand by my comments for others concerning the price of Genesis.
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My inaugural post. I've been a member since 2014, and read the forum religiously. Just never had occasion to post. I appreciate and have learned from everyone here.

My wife and I are big BMW fans. I did some consulting for their corporate organization in Munich many years ago, and was so impressed that I took my earnings from the project and bought a 5-series. I loved it. Then my wife bought an X5. We love that too, although it is 14 years old and a bit long in the tooth (yet it has less than 100k miles and is no worse for wear). We have a great dealer, and have enjoyed every minute of Bimmer ownership. We keep our cars a long time, and maintain them religiously.

Five years ago we purchased a small Mazda for our daughter who was going to college. Our local Mazda dealer is also a Hyundai dealer, and I happened to notice the 2015 Hyundai Genesis AWD in the showroom when we were closing on the deal. I was actively looking to replace my 5-series, and had already pretty much decided, from extensive test driving, that it was going to be another 5-series. Then I sat in the Genesis sedan. Then I took it out for a test drive. I was pretty much blown away. As much as I like BMWs, there was absolutely no question in my mind that the Genesis was more of what I was looking for. I bought the car within a week, and haven't looked back. I love my 2015 Genesis. It only has 41K miles, and I hope to own it for at least another five years. Haven't had any problems, and the dealership experience for us is pretty much the same as for our X5, although I know that might not be true for everyone. As someone who knows a bit about the global auto industry, it is amazing to me what Hyundai has accomplished since the 60s when it started building cars. Every year they get better and better. In my opinion, they have passed the Japanese in terms of quality and styling.

In any case, we are going to get a new SUV sometime this year, and I have been obsessively following news about the GV80 via this forum for months. Thanks everyone for all the information. I can't say that "money is no object" because it is, but we are going to avidly cross shop and pick the car that fits us the best. We're going to chose between the X5, X7, GLE, GLS, and the GV80. When I bought my 2015 Genesis, I felt that, yes, it was cheaper than a 2015 5-series. But, that's not why I bought it. I bought it because, in my opinion, it is a better car. We'll see how the GV80 stacks up this summer.

Nice to meet you all!
 
I’m still interested in the GV80, even though it appears that a few things for which I was hoping In the model won’t be there. For instance, I really was hoping for the second row “VIP” seating. I was also hoping for a satin paint option that they’ve shown. Now the question will be how I think the GV80 will stack up with a fully loaded Audi Q8. Price wise, I expect there will be a $20-25k difference, with the Q8 coming in at around $96k. I currently have a G90, and while that vehicle isn’t as refined as a S-class (for instance), I also don’t think the S-class is worth the extra $40k. Sooooooooo, we‘ll see!
 
My point is, brand name and dealership experience come at cost, if that cost difference is negligible then I would rather go with the brand name.
Genesis at the moment merely have the cars, sorry but their dealerships are joke and I have been hearing for the last 4 years nothing but promises, and they need to attract as much buyers as they can and their tool to do that is the price.
If I am shopping for SUV and my budget is 70-75 then I would shell out an additional 5k and go with known European brand then save 5k and go with Genesis and line up on my feet for 10 minutes until my turn comes for the service advisor, and no I won't let someone else to drive my car for the valet service.
 
I feel embarrassed for whoever buys a CLA over a Camry. A bunch of kids near our local college campus are leasing them. Perception of prestige differs from person to person.

If anyone is willing to pay that much more for an inferior car for the badge and the "luxury" of going to a dealership that charges quadruple what an independent mechanic will charge, they're no longer paying for the car. They are paying for a lifestyle. Hence my comments about "self-entitlement".
 
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If anyone is willing to pay that much more for an inferior car for the badge and the "luxury" of going to a dealership that charges quadruple what an independent mechanic will charge, they're no longer paying for the car. They are paying for a lifestyle. Hence my comments about "self-entitlement".

Not following this at all, why would someone paying for a lifestyle be self-entitlement? I think it would actually be the opposite since they have the money to buy the luxury items. Through mainly hard work and some good investments, I was able to retire at 50 and can basically buy anything I want. I don't think it is self-entitlement when I do so because I earned that money and have the right to use it as I choose. Self-entitlement would be people wanting those items to be given to them.
 
I’ve driven a wide range of luxury cars. I’ve had BMW 7-series and X6’s, Mercedes E, S, and ML/GLE classes. A Bentley CGT. And even a Nissan GT-R Black Series in my sport years. But as I’ve gotten older (almost 65 now) I’ve become less enamored over the brand, and more about a great looking car with luxury features, is easier to maintain, and has great reliability. There’s a lot to say for a car that makes life simpler and not more complex. The G90 did that for me, and I hope the GV80 will do the same when I get a chance to see it in person and give it a drive.
 
Not following this at all, why would someone paying for a lifestyle be self-entitlement? I think it would actually be the opposite since they have the money to buy the luxury items.
You and ctsooner seem to have misinterpreted my point concerning self-entitlement. It has nothing to do with your financial status, nor do I care. What I consider "self-entitlement" would be the unreasonable expectation that a brand must cater to a lifestyle rather than build a quality product. Not paying more for a car not because it's inferior (which is another topic), but because of wanting a brand to cater to one's personal perceptions of how they deserve to be treated. If the lifestyle supersedes the vehicle, then there's really no reason to consider Genesis at all, since as AMS mentioned before, Hyundai is aiming at a different audience who don't possess such preconceptions.

The vehicle is priced decently enough that yanking sales from the similarly-priced higher trim Ford Explorer and Lexus RX would be more than sufficient to match or surpass all the German brands. There's no reason to appeal to those who demand the vehicle be 30% cheaper than a CPO German car while offering Porsche-tier configuration options, for the sole reason of not being able to stand the badge or presumed lack of prestige.

Let me put it this way- the reason the Telluride and Palisade are popular isn't because they're cheaper than their competition- it's because they're the best crossovers in their class. Most people were able to see past the badge to recognize this. The lower price is just the cherry on top, and many don't even have that as a benefit anymore since most Tellurides and Palisades are selling at or above MSRP at dealership lots. And if the GV80 is spec'd right, I see no reason for the outcome to be any different.
 
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Great first post and thanks. WE have a lot in common, lol. Just add the Jag F Pace to your list and that's basically mine right now as I have probably stopped looking at the Q8.

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The Genesis comes with a 5 year new car warranty and a 10 year powertrain warranty.

I could have sworn that Genesis offered a 3/50 and 10 yr powertrain that gets halved when you sell. I know it has a 3 yr maintenance and Sirius traffic. When I looked at the G80, I was impressed by the 5 year, but thought maybe they cut that. IF I purchase that will matter, if I lease, obviously it won't.

Thanks for sharing.
 
You and ctsooner seem to have misinterpreted my point concerning self-entitlement. It has nothing to do with your financial status, nor do I care. What I consider "self-entitlement" would be the unreasonable expectation that a brand must cater to a lifestyle rather than build a quality product. Not paying more for a car not because it's inferior (which is another topic), but because of wanting a brand to cater to one's personal perceptions of how they deserve to be treated. If the lifestyle supersedes the vehicle, then there's really no reason to consider Genesis at all, since as AMS mentioned before, Hyundai is aiming at a different audience who don't possess such preconceptions.

The vehicle is priced decently enough that yanking sales from the similarly-priced higher trim Ford Explorer and Lexus RX would be more than sufficient to match or surpass all the German brands. There's no reason to appeal to those who demand the vehicle be 30% cheaper than a CPO German car while offering Porsche-tier configuration options, for the sole reason of not being able to stand the badge or presumed lack of prestige.

Let me put it this way- the reason the Telluride and Palisade are popular isn't because they're cheaper than their competition- it's because they're the best crossovers in their class. Most people were able to see past the badge to recognize this. The lower price is just the cherry on top, and many don't even have that as a benefit anymore since most Tellurides and Palisades are selling at or above MSRP at dealership lots. And if the GV80 is spec'd right, I see no reason for the outcome to be any different.

I have to respectfully disagree with you.

First: If Genesis doesn't open their stand alone stores quickly (they will all offer the service that we are used to and expect/pay for so no self-entitlement).

Self-entitlement means something totally different. Syntex or not, what you say has nothing to do with the word choice. I think I understand what you are saying and my point is that I can spend the same about of money or less for an SUV that has already taken the hit. I can get a better engine and handling (if that's what's most important) as well as loaded with cool stuff and be treated the way I want to be and what I'm used to.

Secondly:

Even though I've been disable/not working for 14 years or so, I still am blessed to be able to purchase what I want. I don't love the valet idea as much as others as I don't want someone driving my car either and I want to have a relationship with my dealer for many reasons. Why do I care about the cost of service when the company is paying for it. If I keep a car longer than a warranty, then I have a great local service guy who specializes in European cars and has all the tools and classes needed to service the newest to the oldest. They are car nuts like I am and charge only 110 an hour and will even let me purchase some of my own parts (upgraded ones as they will only buy OEM (unless it's a crap part). I send them a ton of business, but they take care of everyone. Even my ex wife was happy I turned her onto them. Again, this is my situation, but anyone can find the same regardless of your market.

If you have an issue with us valuing being served a certain way, then that's on you. It's like me saying to you that you wrong to think you deserve something specific or a few things when you purchase. It's YOUR expectations and what you feel you are willing to pay for. If I can get cheaper, something like like nearly as much or more AND get the service that I fully expect, then it's MY choice how to spend my hard earned (not given) money and TIME (yes, waiting in lines will not happen for me as I can't stand long and why should I waste my time/life, if I don't need to. Personal choices.

Again, I'm posting as I would talk to you over a drink in an adult discussion, so please don't take my post as an attack or anything (I'm a major poster on many forums and know how I can come off).
 
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You and ctsooner seem to have misinterpreted my point concerning self-entitlement. It has nothing to do with your financial status, nor do I care. What I consider "self-entitlement" would be the unreasonable expectation that a brand must cater to a lifestyle rather than build a quality product. Not paying more for a car not because it's inferior (which is another topic), but because of wanting a brand to cater to one's personal perceptions of how they deserve to be treated. If the lifestyle supersedes the vehicle, then there's really no reason to consider Genesis at all, since as AMS mentioned before, Hyundai is aiming at a different audience who don't possess such preconceptions.

As mentioned above, you are misusing the term "self-entitlement". A generally accepted definition would be that a person feels they deserve something even though they didn't earn it.

I think you are also misunderstanding the consumers in the market segment that Genesis is in and their marketing strategy. Qualities such as prestige, service, lifestyle, etc. is very important with consumers in this segment. The "young luxury" consumers will care just as much about those qualities as any other consumers in the segment. It is a tactic Genesis is using to try and convince those consumers that Genesis offers all of those and they don't have to go with the "old" brands to get it.

Consumers do not buy luxury vehicles just because they are quality vehicles, there are many other, more important, reasons each person has for doing so. If all they wanted was quality, they could get a much less expensive vehicle that would perform the same utility.
 
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