High mileage on 2011 V8

[905mac]

Hi.
I am new to this forum and being an old guy who doesn't use social media at all, (except for email) I am not familiar with this type of communication, so forgive me if I breach any protocols others may consider normal.

I am considering the purchase of a 2011 V8 sedan with 220,000 km (approx 140,000 miles) on it.
The car appears to be in excellent condition and I cannot find any information on the reliability of these cars with this kind of mileage.

I would appreciate any information or advice from forum members.

Thank you in advance

Mac.

 

[Mark_888]

I have got some bad news for you. This is an old-fashioned internet forum and (like email) usually not considered to be "social media" (such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc). So you can't go bragging about using social media yet.

2011 was a pretty good year for the Genesis in terms of reliability, but it is hard to say without knowing its current condition or the kind of maintenance done on the car as to how much longer it will last. Forum member homeofstone has written about his 2011 V8, which has more than 140,000 miles on it and gong strong. Maybe you can use the search function (or google search) to find his posts on the subject.

 

[AgentSmith007]

I am considering the purchase of a 2011 V8 sedan with 220,000 km (approx 140,000 miles) on it.
The car appears to be in excellent condition and I cannot find any information on the reliability of these cars with this kind of mileage.
Mac.

Mac,

Here is US we have websites that you can run report by VIN and get information about car history. Two most popular are Autocheck and CarFax.
Do you have something similar in Canada?

And like Mark said 2011 was a pretty good year for the Genesis in terms of reliability. And I feel lucky to have 2011 4.6 V8.

 

[905mac]

Thank you both for your prompt responses, I will have to investigate Autocheck and Carfax etc equivalents here.
I notice that JD powers gave the 2009 Genesis a much better reliability rating than the 2011 model but I cannot find any reason why. The only reliability issue I can find is regarding the early R spec cars. I will keep on searching for info.

Regards

Mac

 

[Mark_888]

Thank you both for your prompt responses, I will have to investigate Autocheck and Carfax etc equivalents here.
I notice that JD powers gave the 2009 Genesis a much better reliability rating than the 2011 model but I cannot find any reason why. The only reliability issue I can find is regarding the early R spec cars. I will keep on searching for info.

Regards

Mac

The Genesis V6 was more reliable than the V8 for a variety of reasons. 2009 was definitely not a good year for the brand new Hyundai Tau V8. In 2012, Genesis switched to GDI engines for both V6 and V8, and the 2012 V8 had problems. 2012 was also the very first year for the new Hyundai 8-speed transmission.

JD Powers is a joke. Often times they just report "initial" reliability (which is almost meaningless) but even if they report long term reliability, they do not conduct scientifically valid studies. Consumer Reports is much better for used car reliability. You can usually find the monthly magazine and annual buyers guide in most libraries in the US, but not sure about Canada.

 

[Audio]

I can't really think of a reason the 09 would have fared better than the 2011 on reliability considering if they're comparing the 4.6 to the 4.6 of each respective year, very few things have changed, and the only drivetrain changes were for the better(assuming the 4.6 in 2011 still had the 6 speed ZF?). The engine itself should actually show to be MUCH more reliable in 2011 on account of upgraded valve springs which was the only major internal engine issue I can think of on the 09 4.6.

 

[Mark_888]

I can't really think of a reason the 09 would have fared better than the 2011 on reliability considering if they're comparing the 4.6 to the 4.6 of each respective year, very few things have changed, and the only drivetrain changes were for the better(assuming the 4.6 in 2011 still had the 6 speed ZF?). The engine itself should actually show to be MUCH more reliable in 2011 on account of upgraded valve springs which was the only major internal engine issue I can think of on the 09 4.6.

Don't pay any attention to, or even try to figure out, the JD Powers ratings. They are a joke. JD Powers gets paid by the automakers.

As you mentioned, the 2009-2011 V8 used a ZF 6-speed transmission, and 2009-2011 V6 used an Aisin 6-speed transmission. Starting with 2012, all Genesis sedans used a Hyundai 8-speed.

 

[dougmcp]

Be aware that with the high mileage you will be facing some repairs in future. These cars were so low in production that there are very few aftermarket parts available and you will be stuck with using factory parts which may drive your repair costs up substantially.

 

[Audio]

Don't pay any attention to, or even try to figure out, the JD Powers ratings. They are a joke. JD Powers gets paid by the automakers.

As you mentioned, the 2009-2011 V8 used a ZF 6-speed transmission, and 2009-2011 V6 used an Aisin 6-speed transmission. Starting with 2012, all Genesis sedans used a Hyundai 8-speed.

thanks for clarifying. If there's anything I've learned in my years working on cars(and even the years I spent in quality control at a major transmissions reman company, it's that Aisin and ZF are names you can trust damn near all the time.

 

[Mark_888]

thanks for clarifying. If there's anything I've learned in my years working on cars(and even the years I spent in quality control at a major transmissions reman company, it's that Aisin and ZF are names you can trust damn near all the time.

When I purchased my 2009 Genesis V6, the fact that the transmission was an Aisin (a joint venture between Toyota and Borg-Warner to produce RWD transmissions for Lexus and other brands) was what sealed the deal for me.

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Be aware that with the high mileage you will be facing some repairs in future. These cars were so low in production that there are very few aftermarket parts available and you will be stuck with using factory parts which may drive your repair costs up substantially.

What's worse is that it is unlikely that one can find someone to work on a Hyundai Genesis transmission or do a major internal engine repair. Not even Hyundai dealers repair these when there is major problem under warranty, they just replace the entire transmission or engine (minimum of a short block) per HMA instructions.

But there may be enough engines and transmissions from junked cars if they need to be replaced.

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[Audio]

that's so weird that they don't do internal engine repairs. when i had my catastrophic failure(car STILL sitting in the garage until I'm done with all this mortgage stuff), I found tearing into the engine was much easier than a lot of cars. Everything was very straight forward. I also saw the low cost of items like valves, springs, retainers, etc and they seemed readily available.

 

[Mark_888]

that's so weird that they don't do internal engine repairs. when i had my catastrophic failure(car STILL sitting in the garage until I'm done with all this mortgage stuff), I found tearing into the engine was much easier than a lot of cars. Everything was very straight forward. I also saw the low cost of items like valves, springs, retainers, etc and they seemed readily available.

I just don't think that engine rebuilds are done that often anymore, and dealer techs just don't know how to do them (or do them correctly). A lot of engines these days need special tools to replace pistons, etc, which is probably another problem. In the modern world, labor is more expensive that just replacing the whole thing.

I remember years ago when TV's and stereos were repaired when they broke, but now days they are just replaced.

 

[905mac]

Thank you all for the information.
I am now seriously reconsidering my intent to purchase a Genesis as I am very concerned about finding a mechanic who can take care of one of these cars, especially here in Ontario Canada.
Some of the posts Indicate that Hyundai dealers are not familiar with them and are not very supportive either and that parts are very expensive if available at all.
If problems (other than those that require an engine or tranny rebuild or replacement i.e. "catastrophic failure") occur are consumable parts such as brakes, or more difficult items such as timing belts/chains, ignition components etc, available or serviceable?, or is this a drive it until it dies and hope for the best proposition?
I do not have the facilities to do any maintenance myself, even the simple stuff like oil changes etc. I am currently driving an Infinity G37S coupe and my local (Nissan) dealer has been excellent and $$ reasonable, so perhaps I am somewhat spoiled in that regard.
At the moment I am a very disappointed would have been Genesis owner.

Regards

Mac

 

[homeofstone]

I have over 210,000 miles (338,000 KM) on my 2011 4.6 with tech package. Very reliable car. Still love it and purchased it Sept. 2010. If brakes have not been replaced you will need that done soon and they are expensive. Also, make sure the transmission is serviced or has been serviced at least once. My Alternator died this past week but I can't complain after 210,000 miles. I had a new one (not rebuilt) put on at the dealer, cost 804.00 U.S. dollars. My engine has never used oil and the transmission is still shifting like new.

 

[Mark_888]

Some of the posts Indicate that Hyundai dealers are not familiar with them and are not very supportive either and that parts are very expensive if available at all.

I am sure it is true that Hyundai dealers in Canada don't have a lot of experience working on the RWD Hyundai 4.6. The sales volumes were not very high in Canada until the AWD models arrived in 2015. Of course, any non-warranty repair is going to be expensive at a dealer, for any car. It shouldn't be a big deal for most independent shops to do repairs, if you can find a good one.

But at least in the USA, one can order any Hyundai OEM part for the car (although some parts only come as part of an "assembly"). They can be purchased at a Hyundai dealer parts department, or via several online parts websites operated by Hyundai dealers. The USA dealers may not ship to Canada though. Some parts may take a while to get, if they are not in stock at a dealer or at Hyundai Auto Canada, and may have to be ordered from Korea. There are also a fair number of junked cars that you can get parts from at sites that sell used OEM parts.

A lot of people I know who live in Canada have contacts in the USA where they can order stuff online for delivery in the USA, and they cross the border to pick them up. Some have friends, or rent a box at a UPS store, etc.

 

[905mac]

Thank you homeofstone and Mark_888 for the additional information, it does give me a lot more to consider, having once owned a Jag V12 VDP and an XJ12 I fully appreciate the need for a very competent mechanic if you own an uncommon vehicle. (unfortunately he has now retired).
210000 miles is impressive, and the cautions and advice are well received. I will see if I can find another good independent mechanic before I write off ownership of one of these impressive cars.

Thanks again for your help

Mac.

 

[homeofstone]

If you purchase a Genesis, Always use OEM oil filters and with the Genesis. Some after market oil filters will cause engine knock and maybe engine damage. Several years ago Hyundai issued a TSB about not using after market filters.

 

[Genny09]

I have over 235k on my 2009 4.6 Tech Package. Still going...

 

[dougmcp]

Contrary to the above, Canadian dealers are as familiar with Hyundai products as US dealers and from my experience dealing in California and Alberta actually have larger and more professional service departments in Canada than the US.
As far as ordering parts, there are only a few minor differences between US and Canadian models, mostly between metric and US measurements for miles, temps etc.
All vehicles built for North America are built to 50 state compliant level and the balance of parts will generally be identical.
Although there are Canadian parts suppliers for Hyundai, ordering parts from the US in Canada is not like trying to send parts to Bolivia, you don't need some covert address or secret handshake, order them and the will send them to any Canadian address you like.