How many miles do you get?

[Bob Foster]

I'm having some mileage issues with my 2023 GV60. My last charge at home was 100% = 199 miles just after my recent trip where I had a problems on 10 recharge stops where I was 20% to 25% below what I should have got. My dealer is trying to bail on me giving me BS excuses for it.

 

[ideutsch]

There are many factors, such as speed and outdoor temperature, that play into mileage. Do you have a Performance model? 199 miles on a 100% charge seems very low.

I have a GV60P and on a recent road trip I started at 90% charge and after 157 highway miles I was at 20%. Rough math based on that trip alone would mean 225 miles on 100% charge, which is slightly below the advertised range of 235 miles. However, it was hot (around 95F), climate control was set to 68F, I make use of the quick acceleration when needed, and there were plenty of stretches where I was cruising around 80mph.

 

[Cabbage]

I'm having some mileage issues with my 2023 GV60. My last charge at home was 100% = 199 miles just after my recent trip where I had a problems on 10 recharge stops where I was 20% to 25% below what I should have got. My dealer is trying to bail on me giving me BS excuses for it.

From watching LOTS of videos, I've come to the conclusion that for ...most... EV's the EPA estimated range is pretty close to what you can expect to get at a steady state speed of 65 mph, on level ground, no wind, on a 75 degree day, if you drive gently. Change any of that and your mileage will vary.

For my GV60A, ABRP thinks I'll get 257 miles under those conditions and it always seems to be just a bit conservative, so I might be closer to 260 or 265.

 

[Hanabanana]

I was going to ask what the OP was getting in terms of mi/kWh and decided to check the manual...the always entertaining manual...do our odometers even go that high? Wow!
Pages 167 and 168 of the owner manual, showing the astounding performance stats we may hope to get once we have broken in and loosened up these tight, new EVs? Roll on! There is a pot of watts at the end of the rainbow!

 

[Bob Foster]

There are many factors, such as speed and outdoor temperature, that play into mileage. Do you have a Performance model? 199 miles on a 100% charge seems very low.

I have a GV60P and on a recent road trip I started at 90% charge and after 157 highway miles I was at 20%. Rough math based on that trip alone would mean 225 miles on 100% charge, which is slightly below the advertised range of 235 miles. However, it was hot (around 95F), climate control was set to 68F, I make use of the quick acceleration when needed, and there were plenty of stretches where I was cruising around 80mph.

No on the P. As for other reasons, keep in mind I charged it in my garage so there was no radio, AC or anything else going on.

 

[Bob Foster]

From watching LOTS of videos, I've come to the conclusion that for ...most... EV's the EPA estimated range is pretty close to what you can expect to get at a steady state speed of 65 mph, on level ground, no wind, on a 75 degree day, if you drive gently. Change any of that and your mileage will vary.

For my GV60A, ABRP thinks I'll get 257 miles under those conditions and it always seems to be just a bit conservative, so I might be closer to 260 or 265.

before the trip I charged it at 100% and got a whopping 281 miles. Best I have seen! During the trip to Nashville and back it never gave me anything close to what I should have got. When I got home I charged it over night and got 199 miles. Something isn't right.

 

[Cabbage]

No on the P. As for other reasons, keep in mind I charged it in my garage so there was no radio, AC or anything else going on.

If, by only 199 miles, you are referring to what is displayed on the instrument cluster, that number is just a rough guess. The only way to see what you'll really get is to drive it. You can get a rough estimate pretty quickly after you have driven a few miles (say 20 or 30). Multiply the average miles/kwh times 77.4. For example, if your instrument cluster says you are getting 3.2 m/kwh, that would be 3.2 x 77.4 = 248 miles.

 

[G-600794]

If, by only 199 miles, you are referring to what is displayed on the instrument cluster, that number is just a rough guess. The only way to see what you'll really get is to drive it. You can get a rough estimate pretty quickly after you have driven a few miles (say 20 or 30). Multiply the average miles/kwh times 77.4. For example, if your instrument cluster says you are getting 3.2 m/kwh, that would be 3.2 x 77.4 = 248 miles.

The dealer said in the picture I sent him while on the road it was 2.2.

 

[Cabbage]

before the trip I charged it at 100% and got a whopping 281 miles. Best I have seen! During the trip to Nashville and back it never gave me anything close to what I should have got. When I got home I charged it over night and got 199 miles. Something isn't right.

It all depends on the factors we've mentioned. When I brought my car home from the dealer, on day 2 I started with 100% (thank you Best Western), drove an average of 70 mph, and arrived in Boise with 13% after just 160 miles of driving. But the temperature was in the 20's and 30's, and I was driving into about a 20 mph wind.

Meanwhile, on a recent trip to Cannon Beach, I drove 150 miles on about 50% battery when I stopped for lunch and a charging top off. But my average speed was only about 55 - 60, no wind, and temperatures in the 70's.

Each 1000' of elevation change also equates to about 7 miles of range. That is, if I drive 50 miles, but climb 4000', I'll probably use about the same amount of energy as I would driving 78 miles on level ground.

If you want something a bit more accurate, get the ABRP app, subscribe to the premium service for about $5/month (tries to take temperature and wind into account), and buy an OBD dongle to connect to the app on your phone.

 

[Hanabanana]

It all comes out in real time in the mi/kWh gauge/meter. The ups, the downs, the tailwinds, headwinds, wet, slippery, climate control, etc..you name it...and right in the moment.
Am I wrong in believing that if your driving is mostly/recently at 70-80 mph the GOM will calculate estimated range based on that?

owner manual pg 60:

Distance to empty that is displayed
on the instrument cluster after
completing a recharge may vary
significantly depending on previous
operating patterns.
When previous driving patterns
include high speed driving, resulting
in the high voltage battery using more
electricity than usual, the estimated
distance to empty is reduced. When
the high voltage battery uses little
electricity in ECO mode, the estimated
distance to empty increases

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[Cabbage]

It all comes out in real time in the mi/kWh gauge/meter. The ups, the downs, the tailwinds, headwinds, wet, slippery, climate control, etc..you name it...and right in the moment.
Am I wrong in believing that if your driving is mostly/recently at 70-80 mph the GOM will calculate estimated range based on that?

owner manual pg 60:

Distance to empty that is displayed
on the instrument cluster after
completing a recharge may vary
significantly depending on previous
operating patterns.
When previous driving patterns
include high speed driving, resulting
in the high voltage battery using more
electricity than usual, the estimated
distance to empty is reduced. When
the high voltage battery uses little
electricity in ECO mode, the estimated
distance to empty increases

From my understanding, you are correct. However, if your last several drives were on warm calm days in comfort mode your GOM will be higher. If they were on cold windy days up and down mountains in sport mode, it will be lower. Depending on the driving conditions for today, the GOM may be grossly inaccurate. The more accurate estimate for what you will get ...today... will be to look at your average mi/kwh indicator and multiply by battery capacity.

 

[Cabbage]

I have ABRP Premium with a dongle. For those using ABRP but not wanting to pay for the premium version or an OBD dongle, I've recently made a few short road trips in my GV60 Advanced. The most recent trip was from Puyallup (near Seattle) to Sunriver, Oregon and back, about 350 miles each way. With highway speeds of 55 for most of the two lane roads, and 60, 65, and 70 for freeway speeds, ABRP is currently assuming my reference energy consumption at 65 mph to be 3.53 miles/kwh. That would be 273 miles at 65 mph under ideal conditions. Even at that value, it over-estimated the amount of energy it would require to go to my daughters house yesterday. That drive is 45 miles each way with a mix of city and 60 mph freeway driving.

Again, keep in mind I drive like the old man that I am. Light on the accelerator, using comfort mode, and cruise control set at the speed limit (so I spend a lot of time in the slow lane).

 

[GV60Lem]

I get constant 250+ miles per charge no matter how I drive it. full throttle or babying it didn't make too much of a difference for me.

 

[Cabbage]

I get constant 250+ miles per charge no matter how I drive it. full throttle or babying it didn't make too much of a difference for me.

Are you talking about actual miles driven? Estimated miles displayed on the cluster? Something else?

If we drive at a constant 35 mph, we could probably drive 400 miles. At 80 we might get less than 200. The estimate on the cluster is based on an average of your most recent driving.

The range I was talking about is what ABRP estimates the consumption rate would be at a steady state 65 mph under ideal conditions.

 

[GV60Lem]

Are you talking about actual miles driven? Estimated miles displayed on the cluster? Something else?

If we drive at a constant 35 mph, we could probably drive 400 miles. At 80 we might get less than 200. The estimate on the cluster is based on an average of your most recent driving.

The range I was talking about is what ABRP estimates the consumption rate would be at a steady state 65 mph under ideal conditions.

I don't use ABRP so I am not sure, but I do usually drive 200+ miles per charge and the mileage left before plugging it in is pretty constant.
One time I remember was doing 230 miles (actual) and then the screen still showed 32 miles left.

 

[Cabbage]

I don't use ABRP so I am not sure, but I do usually drive 200+ miles per charge and the mileage left before plugging it in is pretty constant.
One time I remember was doing 230 miles (actual) and then the screen still showed 32 miles left.

I'm not surprised you get that many miles. Our cars seem to be quite a bit more efficient than you would think based on the EPA estimate. When we drive to our oldest daughters house about 45 miles away, it is about a 50/50 mix of 60 mph freeway and 35 - 45 mph 'city' driving without many stoplights. We usually use about 13 - 14% of the battery to do that which means we would get well over 300 miles (320 - 345) on a full charge.

 

[GV60Lem]

I'm not surprised you get that many miles. Our cars seem to be quite a bit more efficient than you would think based on the EPA estimate. When we drive to our oldest daughters house about 45 miles away, it is about a 50/50 mix of 60 mph freeway and 35 - 45 mph 'city' driving without many stoplights. We usually use about 13 - 14% of the battery to do that which means we would get well over 300 miles (320 - 345) on a full charge.

I agree. I am usually not gentle when I drive and the numbers shown on the screen and the actual miles driven will usually match or beat the estimate

 

[Cabbage]

Just finished a trip from Puyallup, WA to Boulder, CO and back. We use the premium version of the software and have it connected to the car via an OBD reader. I noticed a feature that may or may not be new. I was sitting in the car while it charged and I noticed that ABRP was displaying a "Range" bar along my route to my next stop. As the current SOC increased, the bar moved toward the destination. Once it reached the destination it started displaying my predicted SOC upon arrival at that location. 0%, 1%, 2%...

First, it appears the range bar is the prediction of how far you can get and arrive with a dead battery.

Second, the predicted SOC is a bit of a game changer. I can simply sit there until it reaches a level with which I'm comfortable, unplug, and be on my way.

Since the most inaccurate prediction we saw on the entire trip was 5% (probably due to battery preconditioning), I'd feel comfortable waiting until it predicted 15% and then be on my way. For most of the trip the prediction was within 2% and most of the time we arrived with more than the original prediction. Keep in mind I drive exactly the speed limit and use cruise control almost 100% of the time.

 

[gvjim]

We use the premium version of the software and have it connected to the car via an OBD reader. I noticed a feature that may or may not be new. I was sitting in the car while it charged and I noticed that ABRP was displaying a "Range" bar along my route to my next stop. As the current SOC increased, the bar moved toward the destination. Once it reached the destination it started displaying my predicted SOC upon arrival at that location. 0%, 1%, 2%...

I think that's at least relatively new - I haven't seen that but I haven't used ABRP in the car for a while (I do have the premium version and an OBD reader). That sounds pretty cool though. In my experience ABRP was a bit pessimistic regarding range estimates. I'd generally arrive with 4-8% higher SOC than ABRP originally predicted (of course the predicted SOC would gradually converge during the drive since it was tracking via the OBD).