Hyundai Genesis to get twin-turbo V6 in 2017 or 2018

[Sal Collaziano]

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Hyundai is developing a twin-turbocharged V6 with around 420 horsepower for the Genesis sedan. The engine is slated to debut in 2017 or 2018, and it signals more downsizing from the Korean brand.Continue reading Hyundai Genesis to get twin-turbo V6 in 2017 or 2018

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[Sal Collaziano]

This is perfect for anyone looking for V8 power who doesn't care about exhaust tone and wants improved fuel economy during normal driving. Because God knows a V8 sucks gas no matter how lightly you drive it. So a V6 will sip gas until you demand V8 power through the turbos.

However... I do hope they still "offer" a V8 because not everybody cares about fuel efficiency, some people really want the sound of a V8, long-term owners feel better about a naturally aspirated engine and there are so few of these people that it'll have no impact on CAFE...

Then again, there are so few of these people that it may not be worthwhile to have the V8 as an option. But THAT is playing Devil's advocate...

 

[Seattle Genesis]

my 2015 v8 Ultimate avg about 22 - 26 mpg in town. On the road with cruiseon I get close to 30 - 33. That is amazing for a large V8.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

my 2015 v8 Ultimate avg about 22 - 26 mpg in town. On the road with cruiseon I get close to 30 - 33. That is amazing for a large V8.

V8s aren't gas guzzlers like they used to be but a V6 would get you much better gas mileage until you actually used the power of the turbos. Of course, they're not for everyone. I do hope Hyundai will continue offering the 5.0 liter Tau for those who want it. And I'm pretty confident they will because I don't see them using a V6, solely, in the Equus any time soon...

 

[DRS]

Puking.... Bye bye Tau... If they spent the money on this TT complex on V8 GDI based cylinder deactivation (like the Corvette), and a 500lb diet, V8 would do better than this TT gasser on mileage and emissions. Getting tired of certain GenX and millennials convincing weak executives that everyone wants/required to have V6/or 4 turbos. They got to executives here.... So it goes..

Imagine what they could have done with a turbo or SC V8? A unstressed Tau at say 575-600hp. Instead, the flagship now will be a 3.3.. So it goes. And so go many of their clients who bought because Hyundai DID go bold with a V8. TT V6 heavy breathers are a dime a dozen today.

And yes, it IS people in .gov plot with skewed MPG and emissions testing and bully tactics to flush down the V8 into ash heap of history (if they have their way)

The faux statements about "weight savings" should really crank off those who seek non BS talk. This "CEO", if quoted in context, is full of it talking about weight of this turbo compared to the TAU. As someone else stated, the Coyote is 449lbs or so, this intake plumbing zig saw puzzle TT V6 is about 440lbs. Whoopdi do.

 

[amartz]

Imagine what they could have done with a turbo or SC V8? A unstressed Tau at say 575-600hp.

Exactly. I'd love to see those twin turbos, sized appropriately, on the 5.0.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Imagine what they could have done with a turbo or SC V8? A unstressed Tau at say 575-600hp. Instead, the flagship now will be a 3.3.. So it goes. And so go many of their clients who bought because Hyundai DID go bold with a V8. TT V6 heavy breathers are a dime a dozen today.

If the Equus gets the 3.3 liter V6 I'm quite confident it'll only be as an option. At that point Hyundai would gauge whether or not a MEANINGFUL amount of people are still buying the V8. If not, then they will stop selling it. What is the problem with this process?

Exactly. I'd love to see those twin turbos, sized appropriately, on the 5.0.

I think you will. Hyundai wants to compete with the M5, E63 AMG and the rest. It's going to need to boost the 5.0 liter Tau V8 in order to do so...

 

[suntzuaow]

If the Equus gets the 3.3 liter V6 I'm quite confident it'll only be as an option. At that point Hyundai would gauge whether or not a MEANINGFUL amount of people are still buying the V8. If not, then they will stop selling it. What is the problem with this process?



I think you will. Hyundai wants to compete with the M5, E63 AMG and the rest. It's going to need to boost the 5.0 liter Tau V8 in order to do so...

Can you say R-Spec??

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Can you say R-Spec??

Well... I'm not quite sure the R-Spec Genesis competes with the BMW M5 or cars like it... But Hyundai is coming out with their "N-Division" (Namyang Research and Development) - which is destined to compete with high-level luxury performance cars like the aforementioned BMW...

 

[FastDEW1]

my 2015 v8 Ultimate avg about 22 - 26 mpg in town. On the road with cruiseon I get close to 30 - 33. That is amazing for a large V8.

How do you get mileage like that? My 2014 will do average of 22 at best and I mostly drive highway. If I am ONLY on open highway, I can get to MAYBE 25 tops. Never better.

What speeds are you driving??

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[DRS]

How do you get mileage like that? My 2014 will do average of 22 at best and I mostly drive highway. If I am ONLY on open highway, I can get to MAYBE 25 tops. Never better.

What speeds are you driving??

With my 2012, set up the following: 5.0, Michelin 18", TP 38-39F 36-38R cold inflated, top tier non ethanol or low ethanol premium gas all the time, intake inserted intake valve cleaning every 10k, fuel system cleaning every 3K, smooth driving in Eco mode (not using adaptive cruise, too rough and rides brakes, if there is traffic), no wind or little wind based measurement used in numbers stated below, AC off whenever can, stock systems-no mods, windows closed, occasional 6-10 length drafting, once per tank full throttle "clear out the lungs" acceleration through several gears, Mobile One Extended drain or Penzoil Ultra 5-20...

Rural highways, drive for biz, 29-33.5mpg. Speeds between 60-70.
Interstate driving 28-32.4, speeds up to 78mph (cutoff of Eco light in no headwind sonditions).
Metro driving. Mixed major roads, stop and go, occasional town interstate, 23-26mpg.
Measured manually. Display reads between .5 under actual mpg to .5 high reading.
Heavy 19" wheels Blizzaks, lower tire pressures, and extreme cold weather (poorer winter gas formulas) reduces by up to 3mpg across the board.

2015 5.0 Ultimate.. Same car situation, except tires reading live on display, NOT cold inflated, while moving up to 40 rear, 38 front.
No extreme winter conditions. Set it to economy each time starting.

Rural highways about 1mpg less than 2012
Interste highways about 1mpg less than 2012
In town up to 4mpg less...
The extra 500lbs makes huge difference. I suspect uber wide tires also are not as efficient as 2012. And the 2015 is not fully broken in yet (which I consider to be at 10-12k miles as broken in).

In 2012, By 8-9k miles between the intake valve cleaning (at 10k), it appears to me mileage is going down. Also, if fuel system is not cleaned about every 3-4k, my impression mileage starts to go down. Even with top tier gas. 2015 has had one fuel system clean. Seemed like it picked back up up to 1mpg it had lost.

I drive these for biz ends, in a routine, taking many routes repetitive. I use many of the same gas stations which run through premium quickly and it is fresh. I know differences between adding head or cross winds, rain affecting mileage. I repeat mileage results because of the biz unless travel patterns.
Hills will foil the mileage. Can affect the 2012 to the bottom of the range I listed. The 2015 can go down more than two mpg in hills. Likely because of the extra weight. Head/cross Winds seem to affect the 2015 a bit more. Dropping the mileage on highway into the 24-24.8 range if they are uber strong. Does not drop the mileage to this level in the 2012. I did get a couple sustained tailwinds (wind at the tail both going, then shifting to be tail wind coming back after a frontal passage) in the 2012. Crazy mileage average of 36.2, measured. Luck of the draw. More times, have had winds shift to be headwinds both directions.

Hope this helps identify any differences you might see that is causing your mileage results.

And most around here know my view about dumping the V8 for the less than 40lbs less weight complicated plumbing TT V6. Real world mileage will not beat the Tau. Especially if they would put cylinder deactivation on the TAU.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

How do you get mileage like that? My 2014 will do average of 22 at best and I mostly drive highway. If I am ONLY on open highway, I can get to MAYBE 25 tops. Never better.

What speeds are you driving??

Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I wonder if you have a REALLY light foot - this type of mileage is achievable. If I get the Genesis in V8 form I'll let you know because I typically drive around very lightly...

 

[YEH]

Puking.... Bye bye Tau... If they spent the money on this TT complex on V8 GDI based cylinder deactivation (like the Corvette), and a 500lb diet, V8 would do better than this TT gasser on mileage and emissions. Getting tired of certain GenX and millennials convincing weak executives that everyone wants/required to have V6/or 4 turbos. They got to executives here.... So it goes..

Imagine what they could have done with a turbo or SC V8? A unstressed Tau at say 575-600hp. Instead, the flagship now will be a 3.3.. So it goes. And so go many of their clients who bought because Hyundai DID go bold with a V8. TT V6 heavy breathers are a dime a dozen today.

If the Equus gets the 3.3 liter V6 I'm quite confident it'll only be as an option. At that point Hyundai would gauge whether or not a MEANINGFUL amount of people are still buying the V8. If not, then they will stop selling it. What is the problem with this process?

Yep - the V8 isn't going away anytime soon, as Hyundai will have to continue to offer it just to stay competitive (it's not like Toyota/Lexus is going to abandon the V8 for the LS); plus Hyundai isn't going to be powering its limo grade Equus, much less its armored Equus, w/ a 6 cyl, even if w/ FI.

Hyundai will probably keep the NA Tau around for as long as they can in order to squeeze every last penny out of it (just like what Lexus has been doing to the NA V8 in the LS460) and then offer a smaller displacement FI V8 as a pseudo replacement (saying pseudo since this would like a sizeable bump up in performance).

I think you will. Hyundai wants to compete with the M5, E63 AMG and the rest. It's going to need to boost the 5.0 liter Tau V8 in order to do so...

Can see a smaller displacement FI V8 be the engine for a performance variant of the Genesis and the flagship engine for the Equus (which wouldn't be a performance variant).

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Can see a smaller displacement FI V8 be the engine for a performance variant of the Genesis and the flagship engine for the Equus (which wouldn't be a performance variant).

Yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised if we start hearing about a twin turbo 4.0 liter V8 in Hyundai's not too distant future.

 

[CLASSYRSPEC]

No thank you. I will stick to my normally aspirated V8. No turbo lag and especially no 5 minute cool down after long trips, steep hills, or whenever the engine is under stress.

Had those issues with my 86 sunbird gt turbo, volvo 144 turbo, Mazda cx7 turbo, and to a lesser degree, my Pontiac gtp comp g supercharged 3.8l 6.

And there was zero gas efficiency since the engine worked alot harder.

My 5.0 rspec does better on gas in the city than my previous cx7 with the 2.3l 4 cylinder turbo.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Turbo has REALLY changed since then. No lag, no waiting five minutes and gas mileage certainly is NOT worse...

No thank you. I will stick to my normally aspirated V8. No turbo lag and especially no 5 minute cool down after long trips, steep hills, or whenever the engine is under stress.

Had those issues with my 86 sunbird gt turbo, volvo 144 turbo, Mazda cx7 turbo, and to a lesser degree, my Pontiac gtp comp g supercharged 3.8l 6.

And there was zero gas efficiency since the engine worked alot harder.

My 5.0 rspec does better on gas in the city than my previous cx7 with the 2.3l 4 cylinder turbo.

 

[DRS]

Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I wonder if you have a REALLY light foot - this type of mileage is achievable. If I get the Genesis in V8 form I'll let you know because I typically drive around very lightly...

Light foot..,yes.. But mostly aware of ltraffic patterns, lights, and whatnot. To be smooth. On highway, steady state and allowing for slight speed changes in hills without maintaining exact speed. I will beat CRuise control mileage in hilly highway terrain or heavier freeway traffic.. Because the CC is not as smooth. Plus it hits the brakes to keep exact speeds downhill, or presses throttle harder going up. It will also not anticipate hills where a person can deal with gentle speed increase prior, and steady throttle climbing, then allow speed to pick back up in the backside of the hill. Coast faster when seeing traffic, or anticipation of truck cutting me off (they are not like older days, rude and some will shove someone off the road just because they can).. All leads to smoother driving from a mpg perspective. With the runs over 31-32mpg in the 2012, will turn off AC climbing hill, and turn back on going down hill.. Other odd but effective things that together help a bunch.

In the 2015 5.0 Ultimate yesterday... measured average mpg for over 428 miles, 29.8. Included approx 70 miles in town/suburban high traffic, one way no AC (but was running all the lights since was dark), on way back full AC (was over 85 outside). 50+ miles crowded and very hilly two lane, rest super highway or 4 lanes with some stop lights. 5-8 mph over suggested speed, except for the crazy non steady traffic. Wind not a factor. Noticed TPS indicated raise in tire temps late in day that were as high as 39 back/37 front. Very pleased, considering the extra weight which gobbles up energy to accelerate over the 2012.

 

[CLASSYRSPEC]

Turbo has REALLY changed since then. No lag, no waiting five minutes and gas mileage certainly is NOT worse...

My son, who has a 2.0T Genesis Coupe and is a member of the Ontario Genesis Club tells me everyone complains about their lag with the turbo 2L, and these are fairly current cars. I dunno, I would still stay with an 8 cylinder over any 6 cyl turbo. Also, when premium gas is not used, it runs like any other 6. At least in the 5.0 rspec, regular gas means onlyhp, but I run it on premium all the time

 

[DRS]

my son, who has a 2.0t genesis coupe and is a member of the ontario genesis club tells me everyone complains about their lag with the turbo 2l, and these are fairly current cars. I dunno, i would still stay with an 8 cylinder over any 6 cyl turbo. Also, when premium gas is not used, it runs like any other 6. At least in the 5.0 rspec, regular gas means onlyhp, but i run it on premium all the time

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[Sal Collaziano]

My son, who has a 2.0T Genesis Coupe and is a member of the Ontario Genesis Club tells me everyone complains about their lag with the turbo 2L, and these are fairly current cars. I dunno, I would still stay with an 8 cylinder over any 6 cyl turbo. Also, when premium gas is not used, it runs like any other 6. At least in the 5.0 rspec, regular gas means only hp, but I run it on premium all the time

I'm not as familiar with the Genesis Coupe as I'd like to be. Especially when it comes to turbo. So I don't know anything about lag for that specific car. However, most turbo cars these days don't experience lag like they used to because they either use two smaller turbos that spool instantly and/or a single twin scroll turbo that does the same. I imagine the turbo in the Genesis Coupe isn't exactly state of the art if there's noticeable lag...