Illinois says my Genesis is a Hyundai

[larrymg1]

I am not mad, but I understand why the owners of G80 or G90 would be mad if they were titled as a Hyundai. Why do you care so much?

I wonder how a Lexus, Acura, Lincoln or Audi/Porche owners would feel about their vehicles being titled Toyota, Honda, Ford or VW?

 

[Mcc]

I am only invested because I cannot understand the reasoning behind getting mad or unhappy over this. Nothing more. I wouldn’t presume to guess why, or why this is so critical they will be getting back ASAP with the status. As I said, disappointed in a number of agencies, for sure. Your analogy was so far off base that I don’t think even you can explain why. If you can and feel like it please enlighten me. If not or you don’t feel like it, that’s certainly ok too. The poster flew off the handle when I asked for a clarification about something they put out there. They didn’t need to answer, that is their prerogative, but please don’t tell me not to ask.

Note that you asked a simple well intentioned question and I answered. I didn’t say it was none of your business.

 

[tissle]

I am only invested because I cannot understand the reasoning behind getting mad or unhappy over this. Nothing more. I wouldn’t presume to guess why, or why this is so critical they will be getting back ASAP with the status. As I said, disappointed in a number of agencies, for sure. Your analogy was so far off base that I don’t think even you can explain why. If you can and feel like it please enlighten me. If not or you don’t feel like it, that’s certainly ok too. The poster flew off the handle when I asked for a clarification about something they put out there. They didn’t need to answer, that is their prerogative, but please don’t tell me not to ask.

Note that you asked a simple well intentioned question and I answered. I didn’t say it was none of your business.

I had the same issue in Georgia. Mcc, I get what you are saying; however - I bought a Genesis and not a Hyundai. I shouldn't see Hyundai anywhere on the title or registration.

 

[Mcc]

I had the same issue in Georgia. Mcc, I get what you are saying; however - I bought a Genesis and not a Hyundai. I shouldn't see Hyundai anywhere on the title or registration.

I agree with that. We shouldn’t. It does need to be fixed. I am just not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[EdP]

I agree with that. We shouldn’t. It does need to be fixed. I am just not going to lose any sleep over it.

I can see where problems can occur. As a comparison, Lexus was always Lexus so easy to NOT call it a Toyota. Genesis, OTOH, started out as a model of the Hyundai line. You have to educate a lot of people at the dealer, DMV. insurance agents, finance, etc that it is now a separate brand. My car, bought in October of last year is properly registered as a Genesis. Took it to the dealer for service and according to the paperwork for service it is a Hyundai G80. If a dealer cannot get their software changed you can imagine getting the DMV of 50 states to get it right and for them to get proper paperwork to start.

 

[blizer]

I bought a low mileage used G80 2017. It was originally registered in North Carolina. I purchased it in Virginia in early 2017. When I got my title it listed the make as Hyundai and the model as G80. I inquired at Virginia DMV about correcting it and was told that the new title would be labeled as a Replacement Title. I was concerned that this would create uncertainty with future buyer and decided to leave it uncorrected. The Vin number is right so I'll rely on that.

 

[Mark_888]

I can see where problems can occur. As a comparison, Lexus was always Lexus so easy to NOT call it a Toyota. Genesis, OTOH, started out as a model of the Hyundai line. You have to educate a lot of people at the dealer, DMV. insurance agents, finance, etc that it is now a separate brand. My car, bought in October of last year is properly registered as a Genesis. Took it to the dealer for service and according to the paperwork for service it is a Hyundai G80. If a dealer cannot get their software changed you can imagine getting the DMV of 50 states to get it right and for them to get proper paperwork to start.

As I have said many times, I think those whole issue is because that they people at Genesis Motors took a lot short cuts in creating their new brand, and didn't have the knowledge, time, or inclination to do it right so that Genesis would be a completely separate brand. As has been noted, the other companies (Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, etc) did it right from the beginning.

I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that the 2009-2016 Hyundai Genesis is now the 2017- 2018 Genesis G80. Certainly HMA or Genesis Motors were not "confused," they just didn't want to take the time and effort to do it right, which would have included making changes to their own corporate and software supplied to dealers.

 

[Mcc]

As I have said many times, I think those whole issue is because that they people at Genesis Motors took a lot short cuts in creating their new brand, and didn't have the knowledge, time, or inclination to do it right so that Genesis would be a completely separate brand. As has been noted, the other companies (Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, etc) did it right from the beginning.

I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that the 2009-2016 Hyundai Genesis is now the 2017- 2018 Genesis G80. Certainly HMA or Genesis Motors were not "confused," they just didn't want to take the time and effort to do it right, which would have included making changes to their own corporate and software supplied to dealers.

And now you have gotten to say it once again. Bravo. Still just your own supposition or deduction. As you say “I think”. Do you even know how much time and effort it takes? Or other issues involved? Yes I remember about Louisiana but that isn’t what we are discussing here (just trying to anticipate your usual rejoinder).

 

[Mark_888]

And now you have gotten to say it once again. Bravo. Still just your own supposition or deduction. As you say “I think”. Do you even know how much time and effort it takes? Or other issues involved? Yes I remember about Louisiana but that isn’t what we are discussing here (just trying to anticipate your usual rejoinder).

If the dealer computers supplied by Hyundai Motor America call it a Hyundai, and many states call it a Hyundai, then it seems reasonable to assume that not everything was done at the Genesis brand launch that was needed to make Genesis a completely separate brand as was done by Acura, Lexus, and Infiniti, etc. I base this on the many comments of owners of Genesis Motors vehicles on this forum who had their Genesis cars titled as a Hyundai, and recorded in dealer computers as a Hyundai.

 

[EdP]

If the dealer computers supplied by Hyundai Motor America call it a Hyundai, and many states call it a Hyundai, then it seems reasonable to assume that not everything was done at the Genesis brand launch that was needed to make Genesis a completely separate brand as was done by Acura, Lexus, and Infiniti, etc. I base this on the many comments of owners of Genesis Motors vehicles on this forum who had their Genesis cars titled as a Hyundai, and recorded in dealer computers as a Hyundai.

Too many unknowns to draw a conclusion. One big difference, Genesis is the only car that was a model of one brand and years later spun off as a separate brand. There was no Toyota Lexus that existed for a few years. That simplified the situation. Look at the number of people across 50 states that have to learn that cars made from 2008 to 2016 are Hyundai Genesis but from 2017 on, they are just a Genesis. Just look at the number of people that have trouble pushing a door open when the sign says "pull" and explain the new car brand rules to them.

As for the computers, I'm not sure what would be supplied by Hyundai and if some is supplied by a company that does auto sales and service software. For a dealer it would be easier to use the same program for both the old and new models especially as both a Hyundai Genesis and a Genesis can use the same part numbers. As a CPA. did you work with company inventory? How would you carry the same part used by two different divisions in the same storeroom?

Were there mistakes? Probably, but one big factor is still people. People with enough common sense to be able to segregate Genesis from Genesis.

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[Mark_888]

Too many unknowns to draw a conclusion. One big difference, Genesis is the only car that was a model of one brand and years later spun off as a separate brand. There was no Toyota Lexus that existed for a few years. That simplified the situation. Look at the number of people across 50 states that have to learn that cars made from 2008 to 2016 are Hyundai Genesis but from 2017 on, they are just a Genesis. Just look at the number of people that have trouble pushing a door open when the sign says "pull" and explain the new car brand rules to them.

As for the computers, I'm not sure what would be supplied by Hyundai and if some is supplied by a company that does auto sales and service software. For a dealer it would be easier to use the same program for both the old and new models especially as both a Hyundai Genesis and a Genesis can use the same part numbers. As a CPA. did you work with company inventory? How would you carry the same part used by two different divisions in the same storeroom?

Were there mistakes? Probably, but one big factor is still people. People with enough common sense to be able to segregate Genesis from Genesis.

I don't see how the fact that there was a Hyundai Genesis, and now there is a Genesis Motors makes it more complicated. It requires work, instead of taking shortcuts, to get a new brand officially established, and Genesis Motors obviously did not go through all the steps necessary.

As far as software, I am not sure all of the computer systems that dealers use, but they use systems supplied by HMA. For example, if you go to any Hyundai dealer, they can see the exact warranty end date for any Hyundai VIN, and all the Hyundai dealer service information, regardless of where it was done. The parts departments use computers supplied by Hyundai also. Maybe dealers use some other computers, in addition to what Hyundai supplies, but I don't thing that is the problem here based on reading all the comments on this subject by other members.

 

[EdP]

I don't see how the fact that there was a Hyundai Genesis, and now there is a Genesis Motors makes it more complicated. It requires work, instead of taking shortcuts, to get a new brand officially established, and Genesis Motors obviously did not go through all the steps necessary.

Perhaps you missed the critical word. PEOPLE As long as people are involved there will be some that don't understand the situation. You understand it but there are thousands of people across the country that don't. You may be aware that 50% of the population has a below average IQ.

 

[Mark_888]

Perhaps you missed the critical word. PEOPLE As long as people are involved there will be some that don't understand the situation. You understand it but there are thousands of people across the country that don't. You may be aware that 50% of the population has a below average IQ.

Yes, people are involved. But the people at Genesis Motors took some shortcuts to get the brand set up , and they could have made sure that all that i's are doted and t's are crossed. It takes a lot of planning, coordination, and hard work to do that (like any project), but it could have been done a lot better IMO.

 

[Mcc]

Yes, people are involved. But the people at Genesis Motors took some shortcuts to get the brand set up , and they could have made sure that all that i's are doted and t's are crossed. It takes a lot of planning, coordination, and hard work to do that (like any project), but it could have been done a lot better IMO.

Yes it takes a lot of planning, coordination, and hard work to do that (like any project). However that is no guarantee of success. I have seen a lot of projects that had a lot of planning, coordination, and hard work and still had lots of problems.

 

[Mark_888]

Yes it takes a lot of planning, coordination, and hard work to do that (like any project). However that is no guarantee of success. I have seen a lot of projects that had a lot of planning, coordination, and hard work and still had lots of problems.

Having worked on many large IT projects, that is definitely true.

But if the project plan is to use the Hyundai systems, and Hyundai brand designation in their systems, because they don't have the time or money to create a separate brand, then the outcome of the question of this thread is going to be predictable.

My suspicion is that they thought it was just too much work, or too much cost, or not enough time (or a combination of all three) to make all the necessary changes, and get all the necessary permits and government approvals to make Genesis a completely separate brand.

 

[Mcc]

Yes, understood. Your suspicion.

 

[Mark_888]

Yes, understood. Your suspicion.

Sue me.

 

[Dimitry]

I call my G80 a dressed up hyundai. Same thing with Lexus LX -- it's a dressed up land cruiser

 

[lt2211]

Genesis is a completely separate brand.

That is the bottom line. Genesis is a new brand and should be seen as such, nation wide. Now, in the case of the state of Illinois, it is just total negligence, because that is common place here. A few years back the Illinois DOT decided to stop sending license plate renewal notices, claiming they had no money. Then, when thousands were late renewing their plates, they applied hefty late fees. You get the idea. It is not a difficult concept, when you remove all the nonsense about my Hyundai Genesis is as good as your G80, yada, yada. Nothing to do with the change to Genesis, as it's own manufacturer. All we ask for is register our cars as they should be registered. Manufacturer Genesis, Model G80. It is really very simple.

 

[EdP]

A few years back the Illinois DOT decided to stop sending license plate renewal notices, claiming they had no money. Then, when thousands were late renewing their plates, they applied hefty late fees. You get the idea..

My registration expires in December. When the new sticker came in the mail it was very cold and snowing so I put it aside. Almost a year later I got pulled over for not having the right sticker. No ticket, but I remembered where I put it. CT no longer uses stickers

It certainly seems simple enough to get the Genesis brand and the paperwork right, anyone with a little common sense and and IQ above room temperature should be able to figure it out. Sadly, not enough of those people exist.