Illinois says my Genesis is a Hyundai

[Mcc]

Your first paragraph is factual. My comment refers to your statement “There is no reason why Genesis Motors brand could not be sold starting in 2017 at existing Hyundai dealerships. In fact, there is no reason why they cannot do that permanently, other than someone at Genesis Motors USA thought they needed to have completely separate dealership facilities.”. That is your opinion based on what you know. You don’t know of any reason but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. That is unless you have all the info that the Genesis decision makers have. Stick to the facts and when you draw a conclusion just present it as such. I guess to be fair and consistent I should add that this is in my opinion.

 

[Mark_888]

Your first paragraph is factual. My comment refers to your statement “There is no reason why Genesis Motors brand could not be sold starting in 2017 at existing Hyundai dealerships. In fact, there is no reason why they cannot do that permanently, other than someone at Genesis Motors USA thought they needed to have completely separate dealership facilities.”. That is your opinion based on what you know. You don’t know of any reason but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. That is unless you have all the info that the Genesis decision makers have. Stick to the facts and when you draw a conclusion just present it as such.

I did stick to the facts. Hyundai launched the Genesis brand in 2016 for the 2017 model year, and the G80 and G90 were sold at Hyundai dealers. That is a fact.

Everything else I said was exactly what Genesis Motors USA executives said in the press. I am sorry you were not around on this forum during the brand launch in 2016 to see quotes in the media of exactly what they said, but it is not my job to find it for you.

 

[Spanky61]

Most if not all manufactures start to produce the upcoming year automobiles 2/3 of the way through the previous year. Nothing new under the sun. I just so happen, Hyundai stopped production of the Hyundai Genesis G80/G90 after July. They introduced the standalone Genesis Brand name Aug 29, 2016, but officially wasn't released until the 2017 production year. Separate dealerships for the Genesis was released

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., Jan. 26, 2018 – Today, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America informed existing Hyundai dealers that offers would be forthcoming soon to pave the way to establishing a distinct and properly-sized Genesis retail network. Additionally, certain dealers who are parties to the Genesis Participation Agreement (GPA), currently doing business in defined key markets, will be given the first opportunity to apply for the Genesis franchise. Applications are expected to be received within a specified timeframe and the Genesis retailer selection process will begin concurrently.

So in a nut shell your speculation has overseen factual information that is currently on hand.

And your right, it's not your job to inform others of what you deem right or wrong. Just to comment at least with some factual information based upon actual ownership. Something your not avail to right now or have chosen not too.

 

[Mark_888]

Most if not all manufactures start to produce the upcoming year automobiles 2/3 of the way through the previous year. Nothing new under the sun. I just so happen, Hyundai stopped production of the Hyundai Genesis G80/G90 after July. They introduced the standalone Genesis Brand name Aug 29, 2016, but officially wasn't released until the 2017 production year. Separate dealerships for the Genesis was released

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., Jan. 26, 2018 – Today, Hyundai Motor America and Genesis Motor America informed existing Hyundai dealers that offers would be forthcoming soon to pave the way to establishing a distinct and properly-sized Genesis retail network. Additionally, certain dealers who are parties to the Genesis Participation Agreement (GPA), currently doing business in defined key markets, will be given the first opportunity to apply for the Genesis franchise. Applications are expected to be received within a specified timeframe and the Genesis retailer selection process will begin concurrently.

So in a nut shell your speculation has overseen factual information that is currently on hand.

Prior to the 2017 model year, the cars were known as the Hyundai Genesis and Hyundai Equus. It just so happened that for 2017 model year, very few changes were made to the Genesis sedan, and the 2016 Hyundai Genesis was almost identical to the 2017 Genesis G80 (except for some changes in trim level packaging, colors, etc). This was because the 2015 Hyundai Genesis sedan was an all-new design (known as 2nd generation on this forum).

The 2017 Genesis G90 was an all new design, quite different from the 2016 Equus.

The 2017-2018 Genesis models have been sold at about half the existing Hyundai dealerships. The press release above on Jan. 26, 2018 mentions "establishing a distinct and properly-sized Genesis retail network." The word is that they are aiming for about 100 Genesis USA dealers starting with 2019 models, with dedicated dealerships as soon as is practical. But there has been word in previous posts of some discord at a recent meeting between Genesis Motors and dealers, so it will be interesting to see what happens and when it happens.

 

[Spanky61]

They're going to do what they want to do, it's just that simple. They're already are some existing standalone Genesis Dealers.

 

[Mark_888]

They're going to do what they want to do, it's just that simple. They're already are some existing standalone Genesis Dealers.

Yes, but in most of the USA (unlike most other countries) cars must be sold by independent dealers, and not by the manufacturer. There are some exclusions in some states, such as Tesla.

 

[Spanky61]

Gee ya think Like I said, there are already some Genesis standalone dealers. Genesis is going to do what they want to do, not what they think you want them to do.

 

[larrymg1]

Gee ya think Like I said, there are already some Genesis standalone dealers. Genesis is going to do what they want to do, not what they think you want them to do.

Please identify any authorized stand alone Genesis dealers. The proposal submitted to all Hyundai dealers has not been approved as of this date by the required 90% of the dealer members.

 

[Mark_888]

Like I said, there are already some Genesis standalone dealers.

Why is that relevant to this discussion. That has been know for some time.

Genesis is going to do what they want to do, not what they think you want them to do.

They aren't going to sell direct to the public, like they do in Canada and many other countries. Automobile dealers in the USA are generally required to be independent businesses, not owned by the manufacturer. This is state law in almost every state.

This has nothing to do with Hyundai dealerships vs dedicated Genesis dealerships, it has to do with who owns the dealerships. So the fact that there are already standalone Genesis dealers has nothing to do with this discussion.

 

[Spanky61]

Please identify any authorized stand alone Genesis dealers. The proposal submitted to all Hyundai dealers has not been approved as of this date by the required 90% of the dealer members.

Go look for yourself! I'm not going to do your dirty work

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[Mark_888]

Please identify any authorized stand alone Genesis dealers. The proposal submitted to all Hyundai dealers has not been approved as of this date by the required 90% of the dealer members.

Several members of this forum have reported seeing them. They must be high volume dealers who were very confident about them getting a Genesis dealership. I believe that some of them started construction before Genesis USA announced that they would limit the number of Genesis dealers to 100.

Whether or not they are officially authorized to sell the 2019 models is a different question.

 

[Spanky61]

Why is that relevant to this discussion. That has been know for some time.


They aren't going to sell direct to the public, like they do in Canada and many other countries. Automobile dealers in the USA are generally required to be independent businesses, not owned by the manufacturer. This is state law in almost every state.

This has nothing to do with Hyundai dealerships vs dedicated Genesis dealerships, it has to do with who owns the dealerships. So the fact that there are already standalone Genesis dealers has nothing to do with this discussion.

Who said anything about Genesis selling directly to the public? Let me see, I believe that was you. No and none of the comments from you, for about the last two or three pages has to do with the original topic of discussion. So what's new. Personally, you don't have a clue anyway and everything is relative to you not owning a Genesis as had been stated before. So there you have it.

How would you know about where a Genesis is registered anyway, not having ever owned one! (Attempting to steer the topic back on track) Are you purposefully taking the thread off topic again!

 

[Mark_888]

How would you know about where a Genesis is registered anyway, not having ever owned one!

I have owned a Hyundai Genesis since 2009. I guess you mean a Genesis Motors G80?

I relied on what other people who posted on this forum have said, that their G80 was registered as a Hyundai and not a Genesis Motors vehicle. I know that because I can read what others have posted (did you read the title of this thread?).

 

[larrymg1]

Go look for yourself! I'm not going to do your dirty work

Excuse me. You are the one making all these pronouncements. All I asked was you provide some verification of your statements. Per K. Smith at Genesis America there are no authorized Genesis dealers in the US at this time.

A quote from an email of my dealerships Sales Manager on 04/03 concerning the Genesis Motor America agreement.
"Genesis is not an official brand as of now until Model Year 2019. Within the new Genesis Motors America agreements 90% or more dealers have to accept the settlement offer. The deadline is today and less than 25% of the dealers have accepted. So it appears the launch of Genesis as a brand will be delayed for the indefinite future."

As noted earlier there apparently is no significant change in reaching an agreement on the settlement offer, especially when 90% of the dealers have to approve.

 

[Mcc]

Excuse me. You are the one making all these pronouncements. All I asked was you provide some verification of your statements. Per K. Smith at Genesis America there are no authorized Genesis dealers in the US at this time.

Just so we all are speaking the same language, what is the difference between a Genesis dealer (of which there seem to be plenty) and an authorized Genesis dealer?

On the official genesis site they describe promotions and state “Select new and unused 2018 model year Genesis vehicles sold or leased and delivered to a retail customer by an authorized Genesis Dealership in the U.S.A. are eligible for reimbursement under this program.” This is going on now.

Also so we are on the same page has anyone ever seen this 90% number of dealers that have to approve the proposal anywhere reported in the press? One poster reported that he heard it and now it is being repeated as a hard fact. May be true but why haven’t we seen this on the web or have I just missed it?

 

[Mark_888]

Excuse me. You are the one making all these pronouncements. All I asked was you provide some verification of your statements. Per K. Smith at Genesis America there are no authorized Genesis dealers in the US at this time.

A quote from an email of my dealerships Sales Manager on 04/03 concerning the Genesis Motor America agreement.
"Genesis is not an official brand as of now until Model Year 2019. Within the new Genesis Motors America agreements 90% or more dealers have to accept the settlement offer. The deadline is today and less than 25% of the dealers have accepted. So it appears the launch of Genesis as a brand will be delayed for the indefinite future."

As noted earlier there apparently is no significant change in reaching an agreement on the settlement offer, especially when 90% of the dealers have to approve.

I understand what the K. Smith at Genesis said, but I think they are posturing. There certainly were dealers authorized to sell Genesis Motors vehicles for model years 2017 and 2018.

Because of the sensitive nature of negotiations going on now with existing Hyundai dealers that sell the Genesis (at least 400 of them and probably more), and because only about 100 of them will get to sell the Genesis starting in 2019, they are claiming that there are no authorized dealers yet. Maybe not starting in 2019, but previously there were.

So Genesis is pretending that they are not ripping the hearts out of many Hyundai dealers who will not be able to sell Genesis going forward by claiming that that Genesis Motors doesn't exist yet and no dealers have ever been authorized to sell them, even though that is not exactly true. It's just a game they are playing, trying to get the approvals needed to limit the Genesis dealers to 100 going forward.

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Just so we all are speaking the same language, what is the difference between a Genesis dealer (of which there seem to be plenty) and an authorized Genesis dealer?

I guess it means that the dealer who sold the G90 to you was not authorized, and your G90 is a counterfeit.

It's all BS to try to get the dealers to agree on the limit of 100 dealers going forward starting in 2019 model year.

I took a lot of flack for saying that Genesis Motors USA did a half-arse rollout of the Genesis brand, but it is looking more and more like a three ring circus. If they don't get this worked out soon, I see management changes at Genesis Motors USA. Someone is going to get wacked. Those people in Korea have a hair-trigger.

 

[Mcc]

horized dealers yet. Maybe not starting in 2019, but previously there were.

So Genesis is pretending that they are not ripping the hearts out of many Hyundai dealers who will not be able to sell Genesis going forward by claiming that that Genesis Motors doesn't exist yet and no dealers have ever been authorized to sell them, even though that is not exactly true. It's just a game they are playing, trying to get the approvals needed to limit the Genesis dealers to 100 going forward.

I read the post again and I think you have it wrong. It is not CORPORATE Genesis claiming that Genesis has no authorized dealers and Genesis Motors does not exist, it is this Genesis DEALER who is saying this.

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Also, what you see as a three ring circus I see as the art of doing business. Things are not always straight forward and a lot goes on below the surface that you (or I) don’t see. However I think we both agree that time will tell and speculation is just that.

 

[Mark_888]

I read the post again and I think you have it wrong. It is not CORPORATE Genesis claiming that Genesis has no authorized dealers and Genesis Motors does not exist, it is this Genesis DEALER who is saying this.

He did quote the dealer, but before that, he claimed to quote someone at Genesis America (I assume it was actually Genesis Motors USA)"

Per K. Smith at Genesis America there are no authorized Genesis dealers in the US at this time.

 

[larrymg1]

Please, quit conflating the issues. The distinguishment between the dealership environment is not whether a Hyundai dealer is currently authorized and has and will continue to sell Genesis brand for the immediate future. But, whether when Genesis Motors America reaches agreement with all the current Hyundai dealers on which dealers will be a new authorized stand alone Genesis dealership and what will be the settlement amount due to the remaining Hyundai dealers who will not be authorized to continue selling 2018 Genesis or the 2019 models after that is resolved.

He did quote the dealer, but before that, he claimed to quote someone at Genesis America (I assume it was actually Genesis Motors USA)"

I claimed to quote someone from Genesis? Really? To be totally accurate it is "Genesis Motor America" and the individual is Kevin Smith, Genesis Motor America. To clarify. The statement was that there are no stand alone authorized Genesis dealerships in America who will be authorized to sell 2019 models at this time.

Yes, It is the dealership Sales Manager who made the quoted statement. I am reasonably confident in his knowledge of the situation and his factual representation.

 

[Mark_888]

I claimed to quote someone from Genesis? Really? To be totally accurate it is "Genesis Motors America" and the individual is Kevin Smith, Genesis Motor America. To clarify. The statement was that there are no stand alone authorized Genesis dealerships in America who will be authorized to sell 2019 models at this time.

I completely believed you, but with Mcc, he doesn't believe anything I post unless proof is provided. So I had to admit that my only knowledge was what you posted. Of course, if he agrees with what I post, he doesn't require any proof.

I also believe what your dealer told you, because it sounds reasonable, and consistent with what other were quoted as saying.

I could be wrong, but I thought at one time they did call it Genesis Motors USA, but I do see is now Genesis Motor America. Their Twitter account is still @genesisUSA
https://twitter.com/genesisusa?lang=en

I agree that no Genesis dealerships are authorized to sell 2019 Genesis models in the USA at this time. But at least half of the Hyundai dealerships sold Genesis Motors vehicles for model year 2017 and 2018. It may be that they changed the legal name of the company in the USA to Genesis Motor America to emphasize that no one is yet authorized to sell the 2019 models (or maybe not). This makes it look like they haven't selected a Genesis dealer network yet, when in reality (except for the legal change in company name) they are ripping the Genesis models from hundreds of Hyundai dealers starting with model year 2019. That's why they will supposedly have to compensate some of them for no longer being able to sell Genesis vehicles.