I'm back in a G70 Sport Prestige. This time it's a 2023 Uyuni White 3.3T Sport Prestige.

[CobraBob]

I had a 2019 Himalayan Gray G70 3.3T Sport Prestige that I drove for 2 years (6K miles) and traded it in on a 2022 Himalayan Gray GV70 3.5T Sport Prestige. The 2019 G70 had Brembo brakes with summer tires. From the beginning, it had a persistent brake vibration when slowing from 60mph+ (as in exiting a freeway). The dealership ground down the rotors but the issue was reduced but not eliminated. So I decided to look at a 2022 GV70 3.5T Sport Prestige with the same paint. That GV70 was more luxurious and I really thought I'd keep it long term, as in more than 2 years. It was a really nice SUV. The only complaint was the transmission had a lazy calibration. I wanted crisper shifting. Oh, and the Sport setting was horrible compared to the G70 Sport setting. RPMs around town would hang ridiculously high. So in early February I visited my Genesis dealer and after getting an awesome trade-in offer on my GV70, I ordered a 2023 Uyuni White 3.3T Sport Prestige G70 with black leather/red stitching interior. It happened to be already en-route, so less than 3 weeks later it arrived. I've had it a little over a week and I'm absolutely loving it. I'm so happy to be back in a GV70. Much of it, features wise, is identical to my old 2019 G70, but there are a few changes and new features.

Next Friday my close friend (a detailer) is going to ceramic coat the entire exterior including paint, glass and wheels. He did the same thing with my 2019 G70 and 2022 GV70. I'm looking forward to some really enjoyable Spring and Summer driving.

Here are a few photos.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Welcome back! The vibration is caused by the pads when they overheat and transfer material to the rotors. Your new G70 will do the same thing. Change the pads to aftermarket and problem solved.

 

[CobraBob]

Thanks for the welcome back. Yeah, I'm very familiar with the 2019 brake material issue. The issue with my 2019 rotors was that one or more were warped. The vibration issue started immediately after delivery. Possibly the rotor(s) were warped when the dealer over-tightened the wheel locks. The brakes were never overheated. The dealer turned the rotors in an effort to true them. It didn't work. I'm not expecting the vibration issue to pop up on my new G70. I don't abuse the brakes to the point of over heating. Thanks for the advice, though, if it does happen.

 

[fourthirteen]

Beautiful G70. Love that black/red interior.

 

[CobraBob]

Thanks. I had the same black leather with light gray stitching. I wanted to go a different route with this one.

 

[Volfy]

Thanks for the welcome back. Yeah, I'm very familiar with the 2019 brake material issue. The issue with my 2019 rotors was that one or more were warped. The vibration issue started immediately after delivery. Possibly the rotor(s) were warped when the dealer over-tightened the wheel locks. The brakes were never overheated. The dealer turned the rotors in an effort to true them. It didn't work. I'm not expecting the vibration issue to pop up on my new G70. I don't abuse the brakes to the point of over heating. Thanks for the advice, though, if it does happen.

Unless you actually put a dial gauge on each of the rotors to measured runout and confirmed out of spec, the rotors are not warped. The over-tightening lug nuts causing warped rotors were quite common back in the days when economy cars have really lightweight rotors and wheelhubs, in order to save weight and maximize mpg, in an era of dumb carburetors and prmitive FI systems. The G70's rotors and wheelhubs are beefy enough, I highly doubt it is that susceptible to warping rotors from over-torquing lug nuts. That said, proper torquing of any fastener is always a good idea.

Also, the brakes don't need to be overheated for the pads to leave deposits on the rotors. Prior to switching to aftermarket pads, mine had pad material deposits on all 4 rotors, even though I took it really easy on public roads with the stock pads and rotors. Even with AutoX events, 55 sec runs were nowhere near long enough to overheat the pads/rotors. See here: G70 aftermarket brake pads

This is not to say that running the brakes hard wouldn't make matter worse. If you do that with the pad material deposits on the rotors, you run the risk of heat-spotting the rotors.

While a lot of G70s are definitely prone to developing this annoying problem, knowing the cause(s) and effect(s) is important so we don't misdiagnose and perform unnecessary repair/replacement.

 

[Volfy]

BTW... beautiful G70. Congrats on the new purchase!

 

[CobraBob]

BTW... beautiful G70. Congrats on the new purchase!

Thanks!

Unless you actually put a dial gauge on each of the rotors to measured runout and confirmed out of spec, the rotors are not warped. The over-tightening lug nuts causing warped rotors were quite common back in the days when economy cars have really lightweight rotors and wheelhubs, in order to save weight and maximize mpg, in an era of dumb carburetors and prmitive FI systems. The G70's rotors and wheelhubs are beefy enough, I highly doubt it is that susceptible to warping rotors from over-torquing lug nuts. That said, proper torquing of any fastener is always a good idea.

Also, the brakes don't need to be overheated for the pads to leave deposits on the rotors. Prior to switching to aftermarket pads, mine had pad material deposits on all 4 rotors, even though I took it really easy on public roads with the stock pads and rotors. Even with AutoX events, 55 sec runs were nowhere near long enough to overheat the pads/rotors. See here: G70 aftermarket brake pads

This is not to say that running the brakes hard wouldn't make matter worse. If you do that with the pad material deposits on the rotors, you run the risk of heat-spotting the rotors.

While a lot of G70s are definitely prone to developing this annoying problem, knowing the cause(s) and effect(s) is important so we don't misdiagnose and perform unnecessary repair/replacement.

Thanks for that info. While I'm not expecting to replace my factory pads, what aftermarket pads are recommended?

 

[Volfy]

Thanks for that info. While I'm not expecting to replace my factory pads, what aftermarket pads are recommended?

Depends on your intended usage. You might find that while the pad material deposits annoying but livable. I drove on the stock pads for over 1-1/2yrs and was okay with it for everyday commuting and even an occasional AutoX. I did keep a very close eye on my rotors. I did finally change the pads out just before going to a track day. Otherwise, I might've just kept driving on them.

If you do decide to change the pads, you'll need to decide what sort of compromises you are willing to put up with for the level of performance you want/need. There are basically 3 category of typical brake pad compounds:

1. Street OEM replacement, ceramic (example: EBC Redstuff)
2. Street performance, organic/metallic (example: EBC Yellowstuff)
3. Streetable track performance (example: EBC Bluestuff)

I use EBC as an example, since they have a wide array of pad compounds. Other mfrs have excellent pads that fall into one or more of these categories. Typically, the more performance-oriented the pad compound is, the more dust they generate and more likely they are to make noise and wear faster. You will have to decide what's important to you. The link to the long thread I posted above is a good source of info.

 

[CobraBob]

Thanks so much,@Volfy, for that info. It's very helpful. I'm probably in the "street" category. I don't do any form of track and don't "play hard" very often. Thanks again.

I see in your Signature that you have both a '21 G70 and a '19 Stinger. Nice! What color are they? Your G70 is a 2.0, right? Would have to be if you have a 6-speed manual. How do you like the manual with the 2.0? I wish the 6-speed manual was available with the 3.3T.

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[Volfy]

Thanks so much,@Volfy, for that info. It's very helpful. I'm probably in the "street" category. I don't do any form of track and don't "play hard" very often. Thanks again.

I see in your Signature that you have both a '21 G70 and a '19 Stinger. Nice! What color are they? Your G70 is a 2.0, right? Would have to be if you have a 6-speed manual. How do you like the manual with the 2.0? I wish the 6-speed manual was available with the 3.3T.

Yes, it's a 2.0T 6MT. 2 yrs ago, my oldest son wanted to get a manual car to get into performance driving, so we were originally looking at the Veloster N. About that time, a local red 2019 Stinger 2.0T popped up on my radar at a price I just couldn't pass up on. Knowing my second son will need his own car in about 3yrs, I basically bought it early to daily it myself and eventually turn it over to him after it has depreciated a bit more. Once we got the Stinger, we switched out target to the G70 6MT. Took several months and many dealer visits to hunt down the right deal, but we ended up snatching up probably the very last brand new Havana Red '21 6MT in the US... on the last day Genesis had a $4k rebate on leftover G70s.

Since then, we've been having a ball AutoXing and tracking both cars, especially the G70. While these cars are more Grand Turismo than pure sports cars, the 2.0T's modest power actually makes for great teaching tools for performance driving. You cannot get sloppy diving into corner and expect to rely on raw HP to hammer out of the turn. It teaches throttle discipline and momentum management.

My son has since learned to appreciate the difference between a fast car and a fast driver. With a fast car, you are fast in that car. Learn to become a fast driver, and you can be faster in any car.

Of course, 3.3T 6MT would've been a killer combo too, but we are just glad Genesis at least offered a 6MT at all.

 

[Slip_Angle]

@Volfy - You running stock suspension and Eibach sways?

 

[Volfy]

@Volfy - You running stock suspension and Eibach sways?

Currently Eibach Pro Kit springs with Whiteline anti-roll bars.

When that pic above was taken, suspension was all stock except for the Enkei TFR and Ecsta V730 track tires.

 

[CobraBob]

Yes, it's a 2.0T 6MT. 2 yrs ago, my oldest son wanted to get a manual car to get into performance driving, so we were originally looking at the Veloster N. About that time, a local red 2019 Stinger 2.0T popped up on my radar at a price I just couldn't pass up on. Knowing my second son will need his own car in about 3yrs, I basically bought it early to daily it myself and eventually turn it over to him after it has depreciated a bit more. Once we got the Stinger, we switched out target to the G70 6MT. Took several months and many dealer visits to hunt down the right deal, but we ended up snatching up probably the very last brand new Havana Red '21 6MT in the US... on the last day Genesis had a $4k rebate on leftover G70s.

Since then, we've been having a ball AutoXing and tracking both cars, especially the G70. While these cars are more Grand Turismo than pure sports cars, the 2.0T's modest power actually makes for great teaching tools for performance driving. You cannot get sloppy diving into corner and expect to rely on raw HP to hammer out of the turn. It teaches throttle discipline and momentum management.

My son has since learned to appreciate the difference between a fast car and a fast driver. With a fast car, you are fast in that car. Learn to become a fast driver, and you can be faster in any car.

Of course, 3.3T 6MT would've been a killer combo too, but we are just glad Genesis at least offered a 6MT at all.
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Nice looking G70. You definitely got a great deal on it with that $4K rebate, and brand new. Your story about how you both got into racing was interesting, as was the emphasis on fast-driver vs. fast-car. I recently was a video where a Miata driver on a big road course (I believe it was a Miata) drove a faster time than another driver in a 2022 GT-500. The Miata driver was more experienced so that coupled with the car being more controlled in the turns made a big difference. I almost chose Havana Red when I was looking at 2019 G70s. I ended up with Himalayan Gray because it was so close to the paint on the 2003 Dark Shadow Gray Cobra that I once owned. Havana Red is a nice paint color. Reminds me a bit of the Ford Redfire paint on the 2003-2004 Cobras.

 

[Volfy]

Nice looking G70. You definitely got a great deal on it with that $4K rebate, and brand new. Your story about how you both got into racing was interesting, as was the emphasis on fast-driver vs. fast-car. I recently was a video where a Miata driver on a big road course (I believe it was a Miata) drove a faster time than another driver in a 2022 GT-500. The Miata driver was more experienced so that coupled with the car being more controlled in the turns made a big difference. I almost chose Havana Red when I was looking at 2019 G70s. I ended up with Himalayan Gray because it was so close to the paint on the 2003 Dark Shadow Gray Cobra that I once owned. Havana Red is a nice paint color. Reminds me a bit of the Ford Redfire paint on the 2003-2004 Cobras.

I took my son to his first AutoX newbie school last year, and the classroom instructor said that there is nothing like been spanked by an old guy driving an old Miata to make you realize that while some cars are faster than others... a fast driver is always faster.

Yes, timing on both cars couldn't be better. I bought the '19 Stinger just as dealers were re-opening out of the pandemic lockdown at the end of 2020. They were so full of inventory, the day I drove up to the dealer to look at the Stinger, I couldn't find a parking space in their lot and had to park on an outside street.

By the time we bought our G70 7 months later, the market had already started to swing wildly the other way. The only reason we got $2900 discount on top of the $4k rebate was because this Genesis dealer had the red '21 G70 6MT on the lot for darn near close to a full year, so they just wanted it gone. Otherwise, they were starting to run low on inventory and charging over MSRP on the more popular Genesis SUV models. This dealer is about 275 miles away and it took us two trips there to get the price I wanted. First trip there, the salesman reneged on the price he had agreed upon on the phone - no doubt banking on me not wanting to waste a 550 mile round trip. I told my son - even on the drive there - that if they pulled any shenanigans, we will walk. And that's what I did. About a month later, they dropped their advertised price the same amount as the difference they had reneged on me earlier, so I called him and politely asked if they are willing to do the deal now... he said yes. This time, I got them to send me exact offer in writing (see here: Post purchase price details here (US $ only)) and drove 275 miles there again. This time it came home with us.

It was a gamble, of course. The car could've been sold at any moment, but sometimes, when it's meant to be...

Funny thing was... I was never too keen on red color cars before and previously never owned one. Then when I was shopping for a Mazda CX9, I fell in love with their Soul Red. Even though I bought a black CX9 instead, I told myself the next car will be metallic red! Luck would have it... we end up with two.

 

[tarhoosier]

Re: Manual transmission
Last month I sold a long time Miata used for around town and some weekend fun. 1999, looks great, 119k miles. Had it for 11 years. I priced it right and the first prospective buyer made an offer. The parents accompanied the 20 year old son. He had saved 6200$ and they would throw in the rest. His first car. He was SET on a Miata and nothing else. This was his dream for his first drive. In this family budget there were nearly no others within our region. I thought I was ready for used car negociations but this family gave me a new angle. They did not drive the car. They did not start the car. They told me their story and asked if I could give them a break on the price and they would pay what I ask. Listen to this! They trusted me in a used car deal! Never have I been prepared for trust. The pressure! I thought about how people helped me when I was young and did so for no good reason and I cut the price 300$ though they would have paid anything I said. How much to help a young man have his dream?
Kicker to the story is he cannot drive a manual transmission. He drove home in mom's car and she drove the Miata. She sent me a photo that afternoon with him sitting in the driver seat smiling a foot wide. All he could do was sit n the car for that moment.
Point being: He will be motivated to learn and learn well.
(Thanks for your time reading this story)

 

[CobraBob]

I took my son to his first AutoX newbie school last year, and the classroom instructor said that there is nothing like been spanked by an old guy driving an old Miata to make you realize that while some cars are faster than others... a fast driver is always faster.

Yes, timing on both cars couldn't be better. I bought the '19 Stinger just as dealers were re-opening out of the pandemic lockdown at the end of 2020. They were so full of inventory, the day I drove up to the dealer to look at the Stinger, I couldn't find a parking space in their lot and had to park on an outside street.

By the time we bought our G70 7 months later, the market had already started to swing wildly the other way. The only reason we got $2900 discount on top of the $4k rebate was because this Genesis dealer had the red '21 G70 6MT on the lot for darn near close to a full year, so they just wanted it gone. Otherwise, they were starting to run low on inventory and charging over MSRP on the more popular Genesis SUV models. This dealer is about 275 miles away and it took us two trips there to get the price I wanted. First trip there, the salesman reneged on the price he had agreed upon on the phone - no doubt banking on me not wanting to waste a 550 mile round trip. I told my son - even on the drive there - that if they pulled any shenanigans, we will walk. And that's what I did. About a month later, they dropped their advertised price the same amount as the difference they had reneged on me earlier, so I called him and politely asked if they are willing to do the deal now... he said yes. This time, I got them to send me exact offer in writing (see here: Post purchase price details here (US $ only)) and drove 275 miles there again. This time it came home with us.

It was a gamble, of course. The car could've been sold at any moment, but sometimes, when it's meant to be...

Funny thing was... I was never too keen on red color cars before and previously never owned one. Then when I was shopping for a Mazda CX9, I fell in love with their Soul Red. Even though I bought a black CX9 instead, I told myself the next car will be metallic red! Luck would have it... we end up with two.

That is a cool story. The right place at the right time!