Interesting iPod info

[rv65]

I think I know the reason why Hyundai requires you to buy their iPod cable for models like the Genesis. The reason is that Hyundai didn't wanted to add in an authentication chip made by Apple. With said chip you could just use the iPod sync cable and it would work just fine with full integration. However, it only works on 5th gen iPod's and up. The Cable converts the iPod's USB to it's format and the unit tells the iPod what to do. I don't think Hyundai didn't want to limit compatibility and spend the extra on the authentication chip. I recommend you to buy the Hyundai cable if you want full iPod integration.

Edit: The Hyundai iPod cable also does the decoding of AAC files to the head unit. Protected or non protected.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Also, the integrated cable charges the iPod or iPhone.
And to shuffle, put the iPod in shuffle then connect.

 

[cliffbig]

You can't get full iPod integration on the tech package with the Lexicon/17 speaker configuration. You get a crude simulation of iPod integration that doesn't allow for randomization (you have to create a smart playlist and randomize that on the iPod in order to get randomization) and doesn't display full data (title, artist, album).

It's an amazing flaw in an otherwise high-tech package; iPod integration is actually worse in the tech package than in the standard model. Hyundai has been made aware of this flaw since early August, but has done nothing thus far to correct the oversight.

I notice that Saturday's Atlanta Constitution review of the Genesis made mention of the poor iPod integration.

 

[cliffbig]

Also, the integrated cable charges the iPod or iPhone.
And to shuffle, put the iPod in shuffle then connect.

You can't shuffle individual playlists at all with the tech package, regardless of what you do prior to connecting the iPod (or at least no one has found a way to do so thus far, and both Hyundai and Lexicon say it can't be done).

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Well, it would never occur to me to shuffle a playlist. When I create them, I also select the order I want to hear the songs. So, I'll take your word that it can't be done. However...
You certainly CAN shuffle all songs as I described above.

 

[Simonwpb]

The problems with iPod integration in a tech package are well documented. Don't get me wrong it sounds awesome and playlists work fine, but the limitations are annoying. I wish it was as simple as the cable.

1. Trust me - no shuffle, even if set to shuffle before connecting to the cable. Personally I don't like listening to a playlist in the same order every time.
2. If you have a large library (I have over 2,000 songs on mine) do not even try scrolling by artist you will arrive at your destination first.
3. If you forget to disconnect or power off your iPod when exiting the vehicle it will not go to standby & drain down the iPod battery if left plugged in the console compartment.

These items should definitely be on Hyundai's bug list. If they do not switch to the next-generation Sync system then they should add shuffle play and leverage the voice command system to include the iPod control interface adding search by artist or song etc.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

2. If you have a large library (I have over 2,000 songs on mine) do not even try scrolling by artist you will arrive at your destination first.
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LOL. Artist IS bad, but scrolling by song is much worse!
I find it easier to scroll by album (still long, but better) or genre (cuts the choices/time considerably).

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

You can't shuffle individual playlists at all with the tech package, regardless of what you do prior to connecting the iPod (or at least no one has found a way to do so thus far, and both Hyundai and Lexicon say it can't be done).

I know I said I'd trust that it didn't work, but curiosity got the best of me. This either performs a valuable community service or one of us is nuts. Step by step, here's how playlists DO shuffle in my 4.6:
1. Push AUX button, ignore "no video detected" message.
2. Select a playlist on iPod.
3. Press shuffle.
4. After first song starts, connect cable.
5. Read "initiallizing iPod".
6. Listen to rest of first song.
7. Be amazed that the next song is NOT next in the playlist!

My sequence in shuffle went from track #8 to 1 to 13 to 15 to 6 to 11. Then I was home. To shorten the experiment, during any song just hit the next arrow on the steering wheel. Btw, it also displays the song title upper center.

Why does it work for me but not you (and others)? Maybe different generation iPods? Hell if I know. And I still believe that I created the playlists in a certain order intentionally. So this random/shuffle isn't of particular interest except for shuffling all 1300 songs.

 

[cliffbig]

I tried your system; alas, it didn't work for me. Songs played in order.

I tried it with a 4th gen iPod; a 5th gen iPod; a 6th gen iPod; and an iPod nano 2nd gen.

To be fair, it did randomize one song on the 5th gen iPod; after that, however, it continued to play from there in title order.

 

[cliffbig]

So this random/shuffle isn't of particular interest except for shuffling all 1300 songs.

I have 17,000 songs on my iPod, broken into 38 different playlists depending on what style of music I want to listen to. None of them are playlists I want to hear in one specific order.

One question--are you connecting the cable to the iPod and then to the car, or to the car and then to the iPod. Anecdotal evidence indicates that this can make a difference. I was connecting to the car, then to the iPod.

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[Simonwpb]

LOL. Artist IS bad, but scrolling by song is much worse!
I find it easier to scroll by album (still long, but better) or genre (cuts the choices/time considerably).

LOL Back. If you think at my age I can remember all my album names then I have a case of Ginkgo-baloba to sell you.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

I have 17,000 songs on my iPod, broken into 38 different playlists depending on what style of music I want to listen to. None of them are playlists I want to hear in one specific order.

One question--are you connecting the cable to the iPod and then to the car, or to the car and then to the iPod. Anecdotal evidence indicates that this can make a difference. I was connecting to the car, then to the iPod.

The cable is always plugged in, then I connect the iPod.
Why it works for me but not you is a mystery.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Cliff, a thought or two (keeping in mind that I'm no techie):

1. Are your 13,000 songs just too much data for the head unit to handle? By definition, isn't your iPod bigger than the Gen's 40 gig hard drive? Maybe my smaller storage makes a difference?
2. My iPod is in the 2nd generation iPhone, not a standalone version. Do you have a friend or neighbor willing to test using his/her phone's iPod (or iPod Touch)? I can't imagine why it would matter, but perhaps the Gen/Lex integration is maximized for the iPhone? For the record, it doesn't matter if my phone is paired or not... no effect on the iPod either way.

Other than that, I'm out of ideas.

 

[wfk]

Just tried it on my 4.6w/tech pkg. Only shuffles on all songs, not playlists and you need to set "shuffle songs" in the settings, not the submenu "shuffle" set to "songs". btw the Genesis resets the submenu on "shuffle" to "off" and the "repeat" to "all" on its own each time. So thanks, at least I can "shuffle" all songs now. I have a 1st gen Nano.

 

[rv65]

Also I don't think the Hyundai iPod cable uses the aux in for audio. It probably uses it for routing but I think it's using the analog line outs from the dock connector. This allows for high quality audio.

 

[rv65]

I might be wrong. I think the iPod may be doing doing the decoding of the apple formats and not the cable. Maybe the cable does but I think it could be the iPod.

 

[STxGenesis]

My Apple 3G iPhone's built in iPod does the shuffle....as per instructions.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

My Apply 3G iPhone's built in iPod does the shuffle....as per instructions.

Glad it's working for someone besides me. I'll cancel my appointment with the shrink!

 

[gumbee]

When I bought my 4.6 w/tech, I was totally stoked to start using my 60GB iPod again (my last car only had a 20Gb drive, and no iPod integration). And then something went terribly wrong once I actually started *using* it.

As mentioned before, scrolling through 60GB of any category to get to ZZ Top (only to have it jump back to the beginning if I look away for more than 2 seconds) is excruciating! I've actually gone back to stocking CD's in the car in reverse alphabet just to minimize my need to use my iPod.

The other thing that really chaps my hide is the lack of "shuffle" mode. Why is it available for all other formats (cd, dvd-a, mp3) and not for the iPod. It is clearly technically feasible ( iPod AAP ).

No integration at all would have been better. At least, I wouldn't have gotten my hopes up.

 

[ImInPA]

I might be wrong. I think the iPod may be doing doing the decoding of the apple formats and not the cable. Maybe the cable does but I think it could be the iPod.

This is absolutely correct. The reason you must use the Hyundai cable os to charge the iPod. The power pins are different. Other than that, virtually all manufacturer's USB based ipod integration simply allows the the head unit to control and navigate the ipod. It is the ipod itself that decodes and streams the music. With Thumb drive mp3s the head unit itself decodes the mp3's.