Is it a proof of g70's trasmission malfunction or driver's fault?

[sungjoon]

I believe as I believe because it is by very far the most likely answer. The sort of malfunction that you suggest would leave clear evidence as soon as anyone else tried to drive the car after that. The only explanation I see for your version of events (at this time) is demon possession of the car. Sorry, but you asked.

I do not belive in demon so I am trying to prove that something happened to the car.

I just tried to open the driver side door while gear is on D on a slight hill/slope on my driveway to park, the door does open and gear shifts to P right away and of course car shaked a bit

I appreciate your comment. The vehicle should not be moving reverse after driver exit whatsoever since the vehicle was complete stopped and the brake was released. Shifting malfunctioning including slipping, delaying or electrical issue were found from genesis before. Things can happen and they have to be keen to take care of the issues and complains.

 

[sungjoon]

You are asking us to render a mfr guilty verdict based on a short grainy video. None of us can do that. Neither can we simply take your word on what she did or did not do. The only thing we can give is our OPINIONS based on what the short grainy video presents and the known fact that the vast majority of car accidents happen because of human error. Feel free to dislike my OPINION and disregard it entirely. It's not even worth the proverbial US$0.02.

If anything, what might be at fault is the fact that these new-fangled automatic transmission interfaces have very little standardization. Not too long ago, all auto trannies have very similar P-R-N-L gates. In fact, all our current cars still have them, including the Stinger (our G70 is 6MT). Say what you want about the clunky old shift levers being ugly, but they ALL work the same way. Any driver - regardless of experience level - can jump from one car to the next and operate the shifter fairly competently.

Now... it's digilever this, push button that, wonderwheel there, touch pad here... They all work differently and are often confusing as all get go. I myself am not surprised things like this does occasionally happen. I do remember a FB group post, of a Stinger driver that backed into another car, because of his reliance on Auto Hold. In his case, he was man enough to admit fault and that was commendable. However, it's tough to fight the human nature to blame somebody (or something) else when poop happens.

I appreciate your comment and advise. If you currently own the Genesis, please do me a favor. Start your engine, open the door slightly, engage to R, release the brake, then try to exit. Or do any mix of steps or magic to step out of the vehicle then make it move reverse.
You will find out that you can not even step out left foot to the ground. Any human can make mistake but I sugest you to give it a try yourself that you will find that you were wrong.

 

[joegr]

I just tried to open the driver side door while gear is on D on a slight hill/slope on my driveway to park, the door does open and gear shifts to P right away and of course car shaked a bit

Okay, I just tried it (2018 G80, SBW)
In drive, stopped and opening the door, I get a message in the cluster to shift to park, but it stays in drive.
In reverse, stopped and opening the door, I get a message in the cluster to shift to park, but it stays in reverse.
So, different (though expected) behavior than your car.

 

[sungjoon]

Mine will do that if autohold is turned on. I don't think it will do so if it is not. I guess I should try it.

Try yourself if you own genesis. When the seatbelt is off and the door is being opened it automatically shift to P whether autohild is on or not. Good to know for the safety so give it a try yourself.

 

[joegr]

Try yourself if you own genesis. When the seatbelt is off and the door is being opened it automatically shift to P whether autohild is on or not. Good to know for the safety so give it a try yourself.

See post #23 above. Mine does not automatically go into park, except for when I press the engine stop button.
If autohold is on, it will park when removing the seat belt, but if it is not (I rarely use it), it does not.

 

[Volfy]

I appreciate your comment and advise. If you currently own the Genesis, please do me a favor. Start your engine, open the door slightly, engage to R, release the brake, then try to exit. Or do any mix of steps or magic to step out of the vehicle then make it move reverse.
You will find out that you can not even step out left foot to the ground. Any human can make mistake but I sugest you to give it a try yourself that you will find that you were wrong.

Apparently, reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Let me say again...

Our G70 is 6MT. It's not applicable to the discussion here.

On my Stinger, and every other car I currently own, the shifter is the old P-R-N-D familiar to most driver. On these cars, it would be moronic to do what you suggest: "Start your engine, open the door slightly, engage to R, release the brake, then try to exit..."

 

[JCtx]

Fortunately, she does always look at the gear indicator, so she catches and corrects her mistake.

That right there is the right thing to do. One thing is to think you did 'x' (even if you did... but not strong enough, etc), and another is if it happened or not. That's why I MUCH prefer a mechanical shift gear lever physically attached to the tranny, but they're going the way of the dinosaurs, unfortunately. The only way to guarantee car won't move is to always engage the PARKING BRAKE. On my previous Hyundai vehicles, you could activate auto-EPB (electric parking brake) by holding the parking brake switch pulled for a second or so. And deactivate it the opposite way. The feature should be in a menu IMO, but if it can be done the way I described, at least there's a way. The other way it can ALWAYS be activated is by engaging auto-hold... and in the G70, it's remembered, so it'd always activate the parking brake, and problem solved.

 

[joegr]

...That's why I MUCH prefer a mechanical shift gear lever physically attached to the tranny, but they're going the way of the dinosaurs, unfortunately. ...

I heard a tale that I had never thought about. I think the car was a Subaru. It was electric shift and electric parking brake. The guy was driving up a hill and lost all electrical power. He was able to coast to the shoulder and stop, but he couldn't get out of the car because the only way to keep it still was to have his foot on the brake. He had to wait till another car stopped and they found something to block under a couple of the tires.

... The only way to guarantee car won't move is to always engage the PARKING BRAKE. ...

Yes. We always do that. I have done that since learning how to drive, and my wife has done it since marrying me.

 

[sungjoon]

Apparently, reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Let me say again...

Our G70 is 6MT. It's not applicable to the discussion here.

On my Stinger, and every other car I currently own, the shifter is the old P-R-N-D familiar to most driver. On these cars, it would be moronic to do what you suggest: "Start your engine, open the door slightly, engage to R, release the brake, then try to exit..."

My bad. "Owning" was not the proper word. I should have said "If you can try" or "experience". My bad.

 

[Volfy]

As I mentioned above, I think the problem could stem from how these digital shifters, electric parking brakes, and various electronic functions (like Auto-Hold) are implemented. Their behavior could vary from car to car, even of the same brand or mfr.

There is also the Idle-Stop-n-Go. The engine could've shut off with the driver's foot only lightly on the brake pedal, thus immobilizing the car, even if the tranny is not in Park or Neutral. However, upon letting off the brake pedal, the engine could restart, and the car could move after a brief delay. Not sayin this was what happened. It's just yet another feature that does things the driver might not immediately expect. ISG has pissed me off more times than I can count, but that's a different topic.

Regardless, at the end of the day, the driver is ultimately responsible for the 2-ton killing machine that under his/her command. If that means taking the time to double-check the car is secure, and wait a few seconds before getting out of the car, then that is the proper thing to do. In the video, you can see the car started to creep as she was climbing out of the car. If she had slowed her roll, she might have sensed that movement, while she was still in a position to step on the brake pedal easily.

As an aside, there are other good reasons to slow you car exit. Personally, after I shut off the engine, I always take a moment to scan my surroundings and to check each of my 3 rear view mirrors, the last of which being the driver's side mirror, to see if there are any danger/hazard approaching before I open the door. I do this mostly for situation awareness. Especially at a gas station or any other unsecure transitional space, getting out of the car could expose yourself to danger that might be lurking nearby. I teach my wife and kids to take being situationally aware seriously. It doesn't mean being paranoid all the time; it's about not being so engrossed in what you are doing, so as to lose sight of what's going on around you.

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[EdP]

I teach my wife and kids to take being situationally aware seriously. It doesn't mean being paranoid all the time; it's about not being so engrossed in what you are doing, so as to lose sight of what's going on around you.

That is actually good advice ALL the time, not just driving. Bad guys usually prey on people unaware of them. I've seen unattended handbags in shopping carts, walking away from the ATM cash in hand and the like.

 

[EdP]

Seems like other cars have the same problem

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/04/c6-corvette-oil-change-goes-wrong-video/

 

[Nameneeded]

The car was starting to move as the person started getting out. Left foot first.

Based on the video alone I could see the driver putting it in "park,' possibly even after pressing teh P, of moving the shifter to reverse out of habit as in most cars that would be park?

 

[Husky]

I totally agree. I still, after four years of ownership, find myself sometimes moving the shift lever forward to put it in park. Old habits, and muscle memory, die hard.

 

[sungjoon]

The car was starting to move as the person started getting out. Left foot first.

Based on the video alone I could see the driver putting it in "park,' possibly even after pressing teh P, of moving the shifter to reverse out of habit as in most cars that would be park?

Brake light was out and the vehicle was completely stopped before she exit. If R was engaged by mistake, the vehicle started moving backward right after the brake was released. Thank you for your comment anyway.

The car was starting to move as the person started getting out. Left foot first.

Based on the video alone I could see the driver putting it in "park,' possibly even after pressing teh P, of moving the shifter to reverse out of habit as in most cars that would be park?

 

[sungjoon]

I totally agree. I still, after four years of ownership, find myself sometimes moving the shift lever forward to put it in park. Old habits, and muscle memory, die hard.

That's why. Hyundai started moving gear shift to steering wheel in 2024 as Mercedes benz does.

 

[tarhoosier]

Re: unfamiliar shifting. At age 17 I was a car jockey at big Ford dealer for after school job. Man came to claim his car from cashier and she handed me the key with paper number tag. I found car with matching hang tag number. Who brings a Mercedes to a Ford shop? (1960’s period). I knew how to drive 3 speed on column and 4 on the floor. Started car, moved column shifter to (assumed) R, released clutch, looked to rear and car moved forward 6 inches to bump brick wall. Tried again. Bump. Third attempt. Bump. Ivory shift knob had no pattern displayed. By this time I was near panic as I could not recall which combinations I had tried. Even random action brought bump. Time was passing. I put the car in N (I could do that) exited, braced against brick wall and p-u-s-h-e-d the MB into the drive lane. (I was 17 recall). I entered car, placed in (some) forward gear and drove around the building to waiting customer, checking his watch. I went about 3-4 mph afraid to shift ANY gear. Walkers were overtaking me. I exited the car sweating, handed the keys and walked away as fast as possible.
It was a way for me to learn how much I did not know.

 

[EdP]

Re: unfamiliar shifting. At age 17 I was a car jockey at big Ford dealer for after school job. Man came to claim his car from cashier and she handed me the key with paper number tag. I found car with matching hang tag number. Who brings a Mercedes to a Ford shop? (1960’s period). I knew how to drive 3 speed on column and 4 on the floor. Started car, moved column shifter to (assumed) R, released clutch, looked to rear and car moved forward 6 inches to bump brick wall. Tried again. Bump. Third attempt. Bump. Ivory shift knob had no pattern displayed. By this time I was near panic as I could not recall which combinations I had tried. Even random action brought bump. Time was passing. I put the car in N (I could do that) exited, braced against brick wall and p-u-s-h-e-d the MB into the drive lane. (I was 17 recall). I entered car, placed in (some) forward gear and drove around the building to waiting customer, checking his watch. I went about 3-4 mph afraid to shift ANY gear. Walkers were overtaking me. I exited the car sweating, handed the keys and walked away as fast as possible.
It was a way for me to learn how much I did not know.

Pretty sure at 17 we knew most everything.

This is an odd pattern though. Never would have guessed

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[tarhoosier]

It was different than that you post a link to. It was press ivory knob in then up and forward, I think. Lock-out for R. Mechanic explained to me after my exercise. Humbling. Early 60’s MB sedan.

 

[Truck Norris]

Has nobody mentioned the G70 function where in drive or reverse if you open your door it throws itself into park?

IE the thing I hate most about this car, trying to backup in reverse with the door open (moving a snow covered vehicle in the winter) and it always throws itself in park?

I don't have the luxury on my G70 of being able to choose drive or reverse and opening the door and having the car continuing to move. I wish I had this.

Didn't watch the video FYI lol. Saw this post all over the internet (reddit, etc.), and just throwing some blind info in having read the last ten or so posts.