Lexicon sound system to me sounds..blown out or "tinny"? Problem?

[KptKrunch]

Please Read Rant below If you could like to know more about Music and the G70's Lexicon system:

The Tinny is caused by the DSP when you set QLS (Quantum Logic Sound) to Audience (most noticeable tinnies) somewhat when you set it to Onstage . Clari-Fi and bad source of music will also cause it due to Clari-Fi trying to imperfectly restore the high frequency mainly (high frequencies use up the most bit rate to store) that were lost.

If anyone of you ding dong's is commenting on this post and are using bluetooth (320 kbps), Sirius xm (192 kbps) or the radio(96) y'll should just throw grains of salts with your post cause that's literally what it is.

The source is the first thing please be using aux, or usb cable otherwise the audio the quality and the sound your hearing is already tempered and impacted. CD and USB Quality files will play up to 1.5 Mega bits per second of quality thus it will tax the system for what it truly is and what it can sound like.

Either way the G70 Lexicon system is already a compromised and uses less amp channels ( 11 vs 12), less speaker (15 vs 17), lower quality speakers (only mid center, smaller sub-woofers), and a weaker amp rated at 660 watts vs 900 from g80 /g90 (basically same system except for placement of speakers) when compared with with it's big brothers. You have the same sound acoustic engineering being applied to a dumbed down cost cutting system. You will have tinnier treble and mid and lack of bass. This system is flat compared to g80 / g90.

Recommended Setting For Decent Sound Experience :
Listen via USB or Aux
Have CD 320 + KBPS Quality Source of Music
Clari-Fi On
QLS : Onstage or Off
Treble : -3
Midrange : +7 (Gotta offset the high frequency's right)
Bass : +5

Closing Point : You will probably never be satisfied with the Bass or Output of the G70 Lexicon System it's in about the same class as BMW Harman Kardon and one class below Audi's B&O.

Even if it was a tease...it was his 1st or 2nd post. So a bit more of an introduction would have been better perceived.

Personally...ding dong offends me. It is too close to dingleberries in my book...and I have to deal with those hanging off my dog's ass way too often

Agreed that the term 'ding dong' is over the top, but other than that, he said what I said earlier. You need to pay attention to the source. My Astell and Kern plays high resolution files (including DSD) and plugged in with the aux cable it sounds outstanding. Best 'factory' based system I've personally heard. I haven't plugged into a G80 or G90 though, and I'm sure that based on what I've read here it's even better. You want to hear a sucky system, try out the Acura's lol.

The sound system isn't perfect, not by any means. I've seen, and heard, home speakers that cost more than the G90 fully loaded, and even those don't sound perfect (but they sound very nice just the same don't get me wrong). But if you have the right source, and dial it in to your ears, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this sound system, and it is way better than average. Not saying it's the best, or there isn't better factory systems out there, but there's nothing here to complain about IMO.

 

[brettjv]

The better the system in general, the more that the inherent limitations in your sources are going to be evident, which is not the fault of the system (usually).

Having a great system doesn't mean it makes every source sound good, it means it makes great-sounding sources sound ... great. Best thing to judge how good your car audio system sounds is to pop a well-recorded CD (or DVD-A, if supported) disc into the disc player.

I don't have the car yet so I won't comment on the quality of the lexicon (though I've test drove and briefly played the radio ... which I'd never use to 'judge' in any serious way).

Also, 'enhancements' like DSP or 'surround sound' (unless you're playing a DVD-A that's truly recorded or at least mixed for surround sound) ... usually suck.

BTW, do any (or all) the 2015/2016's support DVD-A, if so, is that only on the Ultimate/17sp system?

I don't suppose any of the 2015/2016 support AptX over the bluetooth?

Sry I know it's G70 forum but a lot of you seem to know a lot about all these cars

 

[joschneider]

The better the system in general, the more that the inherent limitations in your sources are going to be evident, which is not the fault of the system (usually).

Having a great system doesn't mean it makes every source sound good, it means it makes great-sounding sources sound ... great. Best thing to judge how good your car audio system sounds is to pop a well-recorded CD (or DVD-A, if supported) disc into the disc player.

I don't have the car yet so I won't comment on the quality of the lexicon (though I've test drove and briefly played the radio ... which I'd never use to 'judge' in any serious way).

Also, 'enhancements' like DSP or 'surround sound' (unless you're playing a DVD-A that's truly recorded or at least mixed for surround sound) ... usually suck.

BTW, do any (or all) the 2015/2016's support DVD-A, if so, is that only on the Ultimate/17sp system?

I don't suppose any of the 2015/2016 support AptX over the bluetooth?

this is the G70 forum, so no CD player. You might get a better response over in the correct section for your car

 

[brettjv]

this is the G70 forum, so no CD player. You might get a better response over in the correct section for your car

I know, I added a note at the bottom apparently just before you hit 'reply'

So, yeah, in a G70, your best source would be a high-quality digital player plugged in with AUX, followed by a USB source, each playing the highest-bitrate MP3 or similar (whatever format is supported by the system natively - what are those, btw, anyone know? Can it do flac?) files. And again, how well-recorded the actual music is will make a big difference.

IOW, Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms is always going 'sound better' than The Replacements - Sorry Ma, Forgot to Take Out the Trash

Any serious analysis of 'how good the system sounds' has to be done with the best quality sources. And truly great systems almost universally make crappy-sounding sources ... sound like crap.

 

[Takeshi]

It's supposed to be a wake up call and sound check term ; guess no one gets nerdy sound jokes . Guess I will be that one sound butt I agree everything is subjective and my post as subjectively skewed towards my Hearing Range ; I have an awfully high sensitivity to treble. Otherwise as they age will have less or gain more. We also have difference in taste of harmonics which is fascinating in it's own rights.

Although you provide some good info, you lose points for being a jackass and calling people 'ding dongs'. Also, sound is subjective. Your ears and mine cannot always hear the same frequency causing differences in opinions you see here.

Are you an Audiophile or a Music Enthusiast too? Totally got it .
Yeah I just wanted to paste out some experience and feedback from the system after tuning it and doing research on the internet from Genesis and Lexicon. Sorry if it's less pronounced for you but adjust the settings to your general liking , I just laid off some quick base groundworks.

I have an awfully high sensitivity to treble which is why I scaled it back in the G80 for the G70 the treble is less pronounced so I usually go -2 or 0. I also try to enjoy my MID's without having too much treble frequency being conglomerated into the output. Clari-Fi works wonders for good quality files but is the bane when I hear Radio / Sirius . Yee USB Android Auto and Apple Car Play rocking Modern music!

From : Genesis

I directed that the G80 has One 250 MM (25 cm) Subwoofer on the back shelf vs the G70's 2x 20 CM (200mm) subwoofers bottom mounted. I think the size and location would play an overall affect too in producing the crisp tight bass hitting your Area of sound perception better in the G80. Ahh That makes sense I keep my windows airtight 99% of the time.

Ah I think he was playfully saying ding dongs, as a gentle tease. I personally wasnt offended atleast. I do think sound is subjective but I appreciate his information regarding the clarifi and QLS systems.

I did try his exact settings as above and did enjoy the pairing of the higher mids with the onstage setting, however I felt the treble was a bit too tame and scaled back a bit on the mids and reverted some of the treble. I do 100% agree that if using onstage or clarifi, a plugged connection seems to be best.

As far as bass goes, the woofers are likely smaller than the G80 woofers as their response curve seems wide but less powerful at the lower hz. One large difference in our experiences is likely that I ALWAYS crack my front 2 windows by approx 1inch, it's just habit. That seems to have an almost ported effect on the woofers, allowing for more appreciable bass, atleast subjectively.

As compared to my G80 17 lexicon, I really do enjoy the G70 sound system. Neither are the best in the business, but both satisfy me entirely. Just my thoughts.

Imma Nomad from a different Forum hitchhiking on the Genesis Train. Closely inspired to join by the new GV80 it's Luxurious moving Block of Glorious Steel.

Even if it was a tease...it was his 1st or 2nd post. So a bit more of an introduction would have been better perceived.

Personally...ding dong offends me. It is too close to dingleberries in my book...and I have to deal with those hanging off my dog's ass way too often

Sound Top indeed. UUU what IEM or OEH do you use with your Astell and Kern? I've listen to a lot of factory system and I'd probably say Lexicon is in the middle right of the OEM Factory system (Miles ahead of Bose but vs not breathtaking vs Something like Naim / Revel). now I want to listen to that new GV80 with it's 19 Speakers though they got the Tweeter and mid position right architectural point of views in the photos. G80/G90 is a bit more crisper on the highs and tighter on the Bass Frequency indeed .

"You want to hear a sucky system, try out the Acura's lol." : No lie this made my Day : The Acura ELS Audio System is one of the flattest signature with no sound stage I've ever heard on a Luxury High End Factory Name brand Audio system.JBL's in Toyota are pretty Abysmal as well.

Yeah those 50K-250k Shelf Speakers are breathtaking design and also put a different take on some dimension / perception.

Agreed, It's more of making awareness and setting a template to the G70's Lexicon System for its abilities & output through subjectively inference and objective supporting documents and settings.

Agreed that the term 'ding dong' is over the top, but other than that, he said what I said earlier. You need to pay attention to the source. My Astell and Kern plays high resolution files (including DSD) and plugged in with the aux cable it sounds outstanding. Best 'factory' based system I've personally heard. I haven't plugged into a G80 or G90 though, and I'm sure that based on what I've read here it's even better. You want to hear a sucky system, try out the Acura's lol.

The sound system isn't perfect, not by any means. I've seen, and heard, home speakers that cost more than the G90 fully loaded, and even those don't sound perfect (but they sound very nice just the same don't get me wrong). But if you have the right source, and dial it in to your ears, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this sound system, and it is way better than average. Not saying it's the best, or there isn't better factory systems out there, but there's nothing here to complain about IMO.

 

[KptKrunch]

I know, I added a note at the bottom apparently just before you hit 'reply'

So, yeah, in a G70, your best source would be a high-quality digital player plugged in with AUX, followed by a USB source, each playing the highest-bitrate MP3 or similar (whatever format is supported by the system natively - what are those, btw, anyone know? Can it do flac?) files. And again, how well-recorded the actual music is will make a big difference.

IOW, Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms is always going 'sound better' than The Replacements - Sorry Ma, Forgot to Take Out the Trash

Any serious analysis of 'how good the system sounds' has to be done with the best quality sources. And truly great systems almost universally make crappy-sounding sources ... sound like crap.

I guess you didn't read my post a few above and noted what I used. There's lots - they're pricey, mine is discontinued so got it at a steal of a price.

 

[brettjv]

I guess you didn't read my post a few above and noted what I used. There's lots - they're pricey, mine is discontinued so got it at a steal of a price.

It was meant as an 'in general' post, not really as a reply to you implying you weren't doing it right (I was agreeing with your method when I said 'yeah') or anything

 

[KptKrunch]

It was meant as an 'in general' post, not really as a reply to you implying you weren't doing it right (I was agreeing with your method when I said 'yeah') or anything

Oh no, not that, I meant this comment "whatever format is supported by the system natively - what are those, btw, anyone know? Can it do flac?) files. "

I thought you were wondering what kind of player could do that. Mine does all kinds of files but... and it's a big but, the computer can't see it. Luckily it takes a micro SD card so I had to load my files on a card (256GB) and use that in the player. It sounds fantastic, not tinny, lots of bass, etc.

All good

 

[brettjv]

Oh no, not that, I meant this comment "whatever format is supported by the system natively - what are those, btw, anyone know? Can it do flac?) files. "

I thought you were wondering what kind of player could do that. Mine does all kinds of files but... and it's a big but, the computer can't see it. Luckily it takes a micro SD card so I had to load my files on a card (256GB) and use that in the player. It sounds fantastic, not tinny, lots of bass, etc.

All good

Cool. Yeah what I was curious about was if you put files on a USB flash drive and plug 'er into the Gennie, what music file formats will the head unit recognize as being music?

That's a drag your puter won't see your player. Seems strange, usually they work like plugging in a portable HD or a phone. At least you have a plan B though. Cheers!

 

[LanceP]

I’m personally enjoying this thread. I do think sound is VERY subjective. BOSE systems tend to be bass heavy. The BOSE Centerpoint in my ‘15 Escalade sounds phenomenal and I think the best bass in any of my personal vehicles. We have a BMW M40i with the Harmon Kardon system and it’s pretty good. The Harmon Kardon in BMW’s suffer from no upper mid bass response. It has tons of tweeters/midranges and an 8” subwoofer under each front seat. Songs with deep bass sound great but then some songs sound a little flat. It needs some woofers in the doors to round out the deep. This is not the case in the Escalade. Lol
Lexicon to me sounds great. I think it’s a great system with a clean sound and decent bass.
I wonder what the advantages are to mounting the subwoofers under the front seats vs the rear cargo area/shelf? The new GV80 will have the subwoofers under the front seats like the BMW. I’ve been researching to see if this will be an all new Lexicon system or the current one with 900 watts. I don’t think it’s been added to the Lexicon website just yet.

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[LightningMcStig]

The issue I'm having is with Carplay sounding static-y at times. Sometimes it's really bad to where I can't hear the music (switching to XM and back to Carplay fixes that) other times it's just barely there. Best way to replicate it for me is when I'm listening to Ozzy's new album...specifically "Under the Graveyard" when the chorus hits.

I'm thinking it's a Carplay issue, based off of what I've read on here in the G80 side and through a Google search. Could be wrong though.

 

[YYC Steve]

I’ve only had my car for 1 week, but so far I’ve been quite impressed with the sound system. I (finally!) managed to get Android Auto to connect, which makes the interface with my phone WAY better. Messed around with settings a bit, and am using Spotify as my source (quality set to 320 kbps). To my ears at least, it’s fantastic! When listening to well-mastered stuff like Dire Straits, Pineapple Thief, Tool etc I am super-pleased with the mids / highs, and the bass has plenty of punch for my liking. The subs are not overwhelming the rest of the music, which I like. No complaints at all. I LOVE THIS CAR!!

 

[Shadymouse]

I’ve only had my car for 1 week, but so far I’ve been quite impressed with the sound system. I (finally!) managed to get Android Auto to connect, which makes the interface with my phone WAY better. Messed around with settings a bit, and am using Spotify as my source (quality set to 320 kbps). To my ears at least, it’s fantastic! When listening to well-mastered stuff like Dire Straits, Pineapple Thief, Tool etc I am super-pleased with the mids / highs, and the bass has plenty of punch for my liking. The subs are not overwhelming the rest of the music, which I like. No complaints at all. I LOVE THIS CAR!!

Make sure you go to your Bluetooth settings and un-check 'Audio' for your G70(Calls, Message access, and Contact access should be checked). So that way sound is playing through the USB Dac as opposed to Bluetooth audio, since we plug in our phones. The USB audio sounds much fuller and warmer than the bluetooth audio. If you have a good ear, you will definitely know hear the difference between.

 

[YYC Steve]

USB Dac as opposed toUSB audio sounds much fuller and warmer than the bluetooth audio. If you have a good ear, you will definitely know hear the difference between? Sorry, I’m new t

Make sure you go to your Bluetooth settings and un-check 'Audio' for your G70(Calls, Message access, and Contact access should be checked). So that way sound is playing through the USB Dac as opposed to Bluetooth audio, since we plug in our phones. The USB audio sounds much fuller and warmer than the bluetooth audio. If you have a good ear, you will definitely know hear the difference between.

Thanks for this. Audio was indeed checked!

 

[ncrashb]

My drivers door woofer had blown within the first few weeks of owning the car brand new. Got it replaced under warranty no problem though and had a G70 loaner. Only took a couple days.

Other threads have concluded though that the system sounds best when all of the extra enhancement features are disabled, and the subs only work apparently if you first reset the stereo settings to default, then immediately disable the enhancements, then never toggle them back on. If you do, the subs go off. But they have such little output anyway, doesn't matter too too much. Also poor low pass filter crossover point. Will be installing a shallow mount 10" or 12" in the trunk.

 

[danielehoff]

It's funny, but no one is wrong. There's lots of people that like BOSE - nothing wrong with with BOSE if you want the least realistic sound and scooped mids. I don't mean that in a a bad way - many people prefer it. The Lexicon system in my G70 is fantastic, best I've ever heard in a factory system. Bass is great - it's perfect. I hear it loud and clear, it thumps, but it doesn't overwhelm, nor should it. If it does, well, if that floats your boat that's ok but that's not what bass in a properly set up sound system is supposed to do. IMO, I find it very accurate and very revealing. I think that may be the problem some folks are having here (though not sure).

The more accurate a sound system, the more it shows the 'flaws'in a recording or a source. That's why BOSE sounds so good to so many people, it masks so much, it rolls off the highs and even the low lows, and for many that sound is pleasing.

To each their own - I use the Aux port btw - and an Astell & Kern JR hi res music player as my source. I find the HD radio source not all that great, and I don't really listen to HD radio anyway. When I do listen to radio stations, I hear the source, which often is not very good. Not the systems fault for not masking it.

What exactly is Astell&Kern? Is it really worth the money?

 

[Beefer]

What exactly is Astell&Kern? Is it really worth the money?

Might be the 2 hookers that are DJ'ing in the back seat. And yeah...well worth it.

 

[danielehoff]

Make sure you go to your Bluetooth settings and un-check 'Audio' for your G70(Calls, Message access, and Contact access should be checked). So that way sound is playing through the USB Dac as opposed to Bluetooth audio, since we plug in our phones. The USB audio sounds much fuller and warmer than the bluetooth audio. If you have a good ear, you will definitely know hear the difference between.

How is exactly is that done? I have the New 2021 g70 UI and I cant seem to find those settings, would you mind going into a bit more detail?

 

[Nyst]

How is exactly is that done? I have the New 2021 g70 UI and I cant seem to find those settings, would you mind going into a bit more detail?

The settings are on your phone.

For Android, long click the Bluetooth icon or go Settings-> Connections -> Bluetooth. Click the gear next to G70 in the Paired devices section. The Calls, Audio, Contact access and Message access sliders are there.

 

[G-593614]

Hey guys -

My 2nd G70 post, and it's another complaint.

So, I have the Lexicon system, and to me, I can't get rid of this "sound" that recalls to me the days my old speakers were blown.

The "s" sound on any talk radio or song is very, very .."Trebely" and "tinny" - I had a 2017 G80 with a Lexicon, that did NOT sound like this. This tinny sound is driving me crazy. Even going "0" Trebel, I still hear it.

Anyone else having this issue? I feel like I should talk t the dealer about it.

Jerry

Audio is my business. No really. I engineer and produce for a living. My 2021 G70 is by far the worst sounding system I’ve had in a car in 25 years. I turn all the DSP off (they are toys) and run high quality files into the system via aux. Absolute garbage! I owned two G80s previous to this and found the audio systems to be decent. Not sure what happened here. Genesis should be embarrassed about this. Zero headroom, harsh, and 1 dimensional.