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Lexicon Stereo...Really?

As far as amps being rated correctly, a manufacturer can choose to rate their amps correctly by continuous or peak. I agree good amps go with the conservative less flashy ratings.

According to Wiki: "Continuous power ratings are a staple of performance specifications for audio amplifiers. In its 1974 Amplifier Rule meant to combat the unrealistic power claims made by many hi-fi amplifier manufacturers, the Federal Trade Commission prescribed continuous power measurements performed with sine wave signals on advertising and specification citations for amplifiers sold in the US. Typically, an amplifier's power specifications are calculated by measuring its RMS output voltage, with a continuous sine wave signal, at the onset of clipping—defined arbitrarily as a stated percentage of total harmonic distortion (THD)—into specified load resistances. Typical loads used are 8 and 4 ohms per channel; many amplifiers used in professional audio are also specified at 2 ohms.

"Continuous" power measurements do not actually describe the highly varied signals found in audio equipment but are widely regarded as a reasonable way of describing an amplifier's maximum output capability. Most amplifiers are capable of higher power if driven further into clipping, with corresponding increases in harmonic distortion.

"Peak" power is the maximum level of work or energy output that is measured during an observation period. Peak power here refers to the maximum amount of power an electronic component can possibly handle for an instant without damage. Because of the highly dynamic nature of many audio signals (e.g., music, which accounts for an alternative name, music power) there is some sense in attempting to characterize the ability of equipment to handle quickly changing power levels. But, how small an instant is a matter of some variation from observer to observer and so a peak power rating is necessarily more than a little indeterminate.

It always produces a higher value than the continuous ("RMS") figure, however, and so has been tempting to use in advertising. Generally, whatever the definition of instant used, distortion is also higher for an instant. For instance, an amplifier (especially a surround sound receiver), may be rated at 1,000 watts peak power, but the harmonic distortion level might be 10 percent under those conditions.

According to the Lexicon site, "The Hyundai Genesis Lexicon 500 watt power amplifier provides 11 channels of pure power distribution for exceptional performance. All channels are driven at 40 watts with two dedicated subwoofer channels at 80 watts each. All 40 watt channels are driven at 20Hz-20kHz, 10% THD"

As I suspected the distortion rating of 10% in our 500 watt rating in our Lexicon amp would indicate the rating is peak power. Also as Lexicon states the 10% rating is just for the 40 watt channels. The sub channels at 80 watts since they dont make a statement on those are probably worse.

As I stated in my original post most automotive amps (and by that I meant factory supplied amps) use peak as their measurement and not continuous. It appears our Lexicon amp is one of them and that is why the earlier poster was wondering why 500 watts did not sound like a concert.

However you want to rate our amp, the Lexicon in the Gen is a very good stereo overall and at the price point we paid for our car pretty hard to do better compared to the competition.
You actually wiki copy posted almost exactly what I said. Neat. Why did you not earlier clarify you were refering to "factory" amps, as anyone could have told you they are pretty universally trash. The lexicon is no exception.
 
I work alot in audio/studio sound such as recordings/engineering/mastering,etc. I think the great attribute of the lexicon system (I have the 2011 4.6 with the 17 speaker set up) is that the system is very accurate. Mixes and masters translate very well on this system. Accuracy in a system does not translate into a booming bass such as one would get with augmented sub-woofer systems. Sound is always a matter of taste and there is no right or wrong or best/worst when you get into the quality level of the lexicon system or the dynaudio system someone else mentioned. However, having stated this, I DO find that the tone adjustment of the lexicon can provide some pretty wide parameters for both bass and treble boost. For those that like the window rattling experience, they may not find that in the lexicon system. For my purposes, it is the most accurate system I have heard in a vehicle and I'm very pleased with it.

I have the 17 speaker set up too and I agree it is very accurate which for mobile audio is no small feat. Not an exageration but over the years I have spent $10,000s on home audio (tube based and U.S. manufactured) and now I just try to not concentrate on the hardware but enjoy the music. You can drive yourself to insanity getting caught up in componants, interconnects, room treatments, taking room response readings, etc. The people whom I have met that enjoyed music the most and that includes musicians have the most modest audio systems, sometimes just a boombox.
 
I work alot in audio/studio sound such as recordings/engineering/mastering,etc. I think the great attribute of the lexicon system (I have the 2011 4.6 with the 17 speaker set up) is that the system is very accurate. Mixes and masters translate very well on this system. Accuracy in a system does not translate into a booming bass such as one would get with augmented sub-woofer systems. Sound is always a matter of taste and there is no right or wrong or best/worst when you get into the quality level of the lexicon system or the dynaudio system someone else mentioned. However, having stated this, I DO find that the tone adjustment of the lexicon can provide some pretty wide parameters for both bass and treble boost. For those that like the window rattling experience, they may not find that in the lexicon system. For my purposes, it is the most accurate system I have heard in a vehicle and I'm very pleased with it.
+1; this system is actually very good and very accurate. The bass will not tickle your chest hairs, but it is appropriate for the music. It will not get loud, but it was not designed to get loud. It smokes most other premium factory systems at any price.
 
I guess I am over the hill, but above about 30 on the volume in my Genesis is way too loud for me. I usually set the volume around 20 or less.

Same, and I love music loud. Usually 31 is really loud in 2011, so much so that most people complain. That said, how loud it sounds can be directly connected with the quality of the audio you're listening to. I only listen to 320kbps MP3's streamed directly from the USB port for a full digital signal (no DAC crap like you get with a 3.5mm cable) Over USB 31 is loud as hell, using 3.5mm 31 is more equivalent to 24 on USB in terms of how loud it is. That doesn't include the fuzzy sound you get from the analog conversion either.

Overall the system is great and most people that have ridden in the car say it's the best stock system, or best system they've ever heard in terms of clarity and reproduction. The bass is somewhat lacking though, but it gets the job done. For Highs and Mid-range it's fantastic specially if you take the time to mess with the settings for the type of music you're listening to.
 
Same, and I love music loud. Usually 31 is really loud in 2011, so much so that most people complain. That said, how loud it sounds can be directly connected with the quality of the audio you're listening to. I only listen to 320kbps MP3's streamed directly from the USB port for a full digital signal (no DAC crap like you get with a 3.5mm cable) Over USB 31 is loud as hell, using 3.5mm 31 is more equivalent to 24 on USB in terms of how loud it is. That doesn't include the fuzzy sound you get from the analog conversion either.

Overall the system is great and most people that have ridden in the car say it's the best stock system, or best system they've ever heard in terms of clarity and reproduction. The bass is somewhat lacking though, but it gets the job done. For Highs and Mid-range it's fantastic specially if you take the time to mess with the settings for the type of music you're listening to.

I don't know how old you are, but one of the most difficult days of my life was the first day I placed $7,000 worth of hearing aids in my ears.
 
I don't know how old you are, but one of the most difficult days of my life was the first day I placed $7,000 worth of hearing aids in my ears.

^ see I agree... my worst time was when they snaked a camera down my jimmy... then used a sound to rip me a new one... oh the pissing blood & glass shards for a week wasn't fun either.

ppp
 
^ see I agree... my worst time was when they snaked a camera down my jimmy... then used a sound to rip me a new one... oh the pissing blood & glass shards for a week wasn't fun either.

ppp

Potty_Pants, I love you dude... lol
 
^ see I agree... my worst time was when they snaked a camera down my jimmy... then used a sound to rip me a new one... oh the pissing blood & glass shards for a week wasn't fun either.

ppp

Kind of like a gonade??
:D
 
Ya know guys would be so bad if the plumbing was fixed...

Its still clogged and the dr enjoyed it so much he went back for seconds...

In the end ... or front you just start saying idgaf... just cut thedam thing off.

/me remembers the howard stern addadicktome foundation for john wayne bobbit.

I honestly think this should be a reminder when traveling in 3rd world exotic countries put a jimmy hat on before swimming.

Ppp
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Ya know guys would be so bad if the plumbing was fixed...

Its still clogged and the dr enjoyed it so much he went back for seconds...

In the end ... or front you just start saying idgaf... just cut thedam thing off.

/me remembers the howard stern addadicktome foundation for john wayne bobbit.

I honestly think this should be a reminder when traveling in 3rd world exotic countries put a jimmy hat on before swimming.

Ppp

:D
 
i have a 2010 Lexus ls460 with mark levison. It is superior as compared to the lexicon that I have in my genesis. It is much clearer and has a significant amount of bass. No after market subs are needed with the lexus as are with the genesis. imo
 
My 05 Sentra used to have a 4 speaker Chinese made sound. Will I be impressed with the Lexicon?
 
Though I've tried the Mark Levinson in 2014 IS while it was clear it really lacked volume. Is The genesis Lexicon system better than the Mark Levinson
I mean my Sentra's 4 speaker is louder than the ML in the Lexus..
 
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Though I've tried the Mark Levinson in 2014 IS while it was clear it really lacked volume. Is The genesis Lexicon system better than the Mark Levinson
I mean my Sentra's 4 speaker is louder than the ML in the Lexus..
I doubt the Mark Levinson system in the Lexus IS is the same as the LS.
 
I can assure that the mark levison stereo is incredible. the best stock stereo ive heard by far. i have a 2010 ls 460 and it is damn good. i drive ALL vehicles for lexus and listened to the 2014 ls 460 mark lev...OMG!! THEY ADDED MORE POWER!! IF U EVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE NEW MARK LEV IN THE LS, GS, ES, OR IS U WILL BE IMPRESSED...NEVER HAVE HEARD SUCH A POWERFUL AND CLEAR SYSTEM..I THOUGHT MY 2010 MARK LEV WAS GOOD...THE NEW 2014 IS EVEN BETTER..ESPECIALLY IN THE LS 460
 
I can assure that the mark levison stereo is incredible. the best stock stereo ive heard by far. i have a 2010 ls 460 and it is damn good. i drive ALL vehicles for lexus and listened to the 2014 ls 460 mark lev...OMG!! THEY ADDED MORE POWER!! IF U EVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE NEW MARK LEV IN THE LS, GS, ES, OR IS U WILL BE IMPRESSED...NEVER HAVE HEARD SUCH A POWERFUL AND CLEAR SYSTEM..I THOUGHT MY 2010 MARK LEV WAS GOOD...THE NEW 2014 IS EVEN BETTER..ESPECIALLY IN THE LS 460

Hmm, I wonder how it compares to the Bang and Olufsen $5k option on the BMW 5 series.. I test drove the 2013 BMW M5 the other day and the sound system was amazing compared to my 14 speaker Lexicon, but then again I don't have the 17 speaker to compare it to.
 
I test drove the 2013 BMW M5 the other day and the sound system was amazing compared to my 14 speaker Lexicon, but then again I don't have the 17 speaker to compare it to.

How did they yank you out of the M5 at the end of the test drive?
 
How did they yank you out of the M5 at the end of the test drive?


I didn't want to get out! My friend works at Carmax and they had one there so I was able to take it out on a extended test drive. It was amazing lol.
 
I can assure that the mark levison stereo is incredible. the best stock stereo ive heard by far. i have a 2010 ls 460 and it is damn good. i drive ALL vehicles for lexus and listened to the 2014 ls 460 mark lev...OMG!! THEY ADDED MORE POWER!! IF U EVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE NEW MARK LEV IN THE LS, GS, ES, OR IS U WILL BE IMPRESSED...NEVER HAVE HEARD SUCH A POWERFUL AND CLEAR SYSTEM..I THOUGHT MY 2010 MARK LEV WAS GOOD...THE NEW 2014 IS EVEN BETTER..ESPECIALLY IN THE LS 460

I have had two LS460s and one LS600 with ML systems. They were all excellent, although I have not been an 2014. As I got older and my hearing deteriorated somewhat, it all became kind of academic. I enjoy my Lexicon 17 speaker system in DVD-audio, although I know I am missing sounds that many people hear.:o:rolleyes:
 
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