Looking at an '09

[seslwr]

Before I go and test drive an '09 4.6 Genesis this weekend, I need the community's help in answering some questions I have:

1.) I've read that the '10+ suspension is quite an upgrade over the '09. I saw some references to Hyundai making a suspension design change at some point in the '09 production cycle. The one I'm looking at had a late production date (6/6/09). Would this one have the updated suspension? How would I be able to tell if it does when test driving it?

2.) How does Hyundai handle the car's warranty if not purchased used as a CPO? I've read that the 10/100 is dropped if not purchased as a CPO. Since the dealer who's selling the car is not a Hyundai dealer, I was wondering about the warranty implications.

3.) Anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance for all responses.

 

[scottdk]

Before I go and test drive an '09 4.6 Genesis this weekend, I need the community's help in answering some questions I have:

1.) I've read that the '10+ suspension is quite an upgrade over the '09. I saw some references to Hyundai making a suspension design change at some point in the '09 production cycle. The one I'm looking at had a late production date (6/6/09). Would this one have the updated suspension? How would I be able to tell if it does when test driving it?

2.) How does Hyundai handle the car's warranty if not purchased used as a CPO? I've read that the 10/100 is dropped if not purchased as a CPO. Since the dealer who's selling the car is not a Hyundai dealer, I was wondering about the warranty implications.

3.) Anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance for all responses.

I will let others' voice suspension opinions (I like my '09 suspension).

Regarldess if the dealer is Hyundai or not, the powertrain warranty (100,000 miles) is gone for the 2nd owner, but the bumper to bumper warranty (5 year, 60,000 mile) still is applicable to the 2nd owner.

 

[staz]

Before I go and test drive an '09 4.6 Genesis this weekend, I need the community's help in answering some questions I have:

1.) I've read that the '10+ suspension is quite an upgrade over the '09. I saw some references to Hyundai making a suspension design change at some point in the '09 production cycle. The one I'm looking at had a late production date (6/6/09). Would this one have the updated suspension? How would I be able to tell if it does when test driving it?

2.) How does Hyundai handle the car's warranty if not purchased used as a CPO? I've read that the 10/100 is dropped if not purchased as a CPO. Since the dealer who's selling the car is not a Hyundai dealer, I was wondering about the warranty implications.

3.) Anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance for all responses.

well....

1) I stray away from ANY vehicle that is in its MY1 (model year one) due to the fact that this vehicle is really going to be the test subject from which all the tweeks will be learned from..that being said...Hyundai did do a great job on the Genny regardless.

2) The handling is a whole other topic, it def is not to par with 2010+ vehicles, but I've driven worse..

3) The warranty i'm really not sure about, I would call a local dealer or Hyundai USA to inquire.

4) Car Fax!

5) Car Fax!!!

that all being said, if the price is right, go for it! good luck!

Cheers!
Staz

 

[Ruissimo]

Just remember... carfax is good... but it's not perfect.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

To the warranty question. I am in the same boat. You would have to call the dealer and ask VERY specific questions. I used to work at Hyundai and the finance manager is a friend of mine .

Question 1) Whats their cost to certify the Genesis (this cost is set by the dealer).

Question 2) What are the requirements for certification? (For my dealer it is less than 5yrs old and less than 60K miles)

Question 3) What are the qualifications for purchasing a 10yr 100kmi warranty? (In my case it came out like this: if less than 25K mi on the car, purchase a 10/100 warranty. If more than 25K mi on the car, certify it)

Question 4) What is the cost of the 10/100 warranty?

Question 5) What does that warranty cover?

Ask to speak to the finance manager. The sales monkeys won't know the answers to these questions

 

[tprice]

I agree with Ruissimo..."Carfax is good, but not great." That may even be more a bit generous endorsement than I'm willing to give them. I just traded in my 2009 Genesis to an Acura dealer for a TL SHAWD 6MT. I was coming up on end of lease and had planned to keep it but had pretty significant rear end collision in February. The car was in the body shop for over a month and went up over $9500 in repairs. Part of it involved 14 hours of frame straightening. Anyway, I checked out the ad for it which included a link to the Carfax report. The Carfax showed rear end damage but basically implied that it was light damage and that there was no structural damage. Having first hand knowledge of the car being reported on has left me a little less than confident in Carfax! I will say it was like new inside and out...other than a lot of cutting and welding (which came out good). I loved the Genesis and definitely can see owning one again...just decided to try something different for now since I was changing out of it. The Genesis is a great product and definitely an eye catcher... so many stories about interacting with people who did not know what it was ..and their reactions when telling people it was a Hyundai (too funny) which added to the enjoyment of owning it! I also liked that I did not run into 6 identical twins at every other intersection. Enjoy.

 

[Ruissimo]

I agree with Ruissimo..."Carfax is good, but not great." That may even be more a bit generous endorsement than I'm willing to give them.

Yep... I had a $6,500 run-in with a deer, major mechanical issues, timing belt jumped, etc etc, and the stealership that got my car pulled up a carfax. Didn't show ANY of it.

CAR. GONE.

If you can't buy a used car from someone you know and trust, buy one that's been looked at by a mechanic/body shop guy you trust. And if you don't trust anyone... buy new.

 

[Mark_888]

5-year bumper-to-bumper Hyundai warranty does not cover audio/video electronics, which has a 3 yr/36K warranty. As noted above, extended drive train warranty for CPO (if not orginal owner).

There was a minor upgrade of 2009 suspension mid-year. I forgot the details, but it is posted somewhere in this forum. However, additional changes were made for 2010 MY.

I have an early 2009 3.8, and did the following suspension upgrade to 2010/2011 specs (2011s part had become available when I did it, but were the same as 2010):

• replace all four springs
• replace front struts
• replace rear shocks
• replace rear stabilizer bar

The cost for parts and labor was about $1,650. Install done at independent suspension shop (I purchased the parts online for a little over $1,000). The 4.6 parts are slightly different (due mainly due to extra 200 lbs on front end for V8). It probably would be possible to upgrade to 2012 suspension, which is a bit more comfortable than 2010/2011 (if you prefer that) but 2010/2011 was a big improvement over early 2009 IMO.

scottdk replaced his rear stabilizer on a 2009 recently with the 2012 rear stabilizer, and posted about it in this forum. I would recommend this at a minimum, and use the 2012 stabilizer bar even if you use other 2010/2011 suspension parts. I am not sure what other changes were made in 2012 besides rear stablizer bar (now hollow compared to previous sold bar).

 

[Enterprise]

Before I go and test drive an '09 4.6 Genesis this weekend, I need the community's help in answering some questions I have:

1.) I've read that the '10+ suspension is quite an upgrade over the '09. I saw some references to Hyundai making a suspension design change at some point in the '09 production cycle. The one I'm looking at had a late production date (6/6/09). Would this one have the updated suspension? How would I be able to tell if it does when test driving it?

2.) How does Hyundai handle the car's warranty if not purchased used as a CPO? I've read that the 10/100 is dropped if not purchased as a CPO. Since the dealer who's selling the car is not a Hyundai dealer, I was wondering about the warranty implications.

3.) Anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance for all responses.

Just purchased my 2009 4.6 genesis from dealer . The warranty is 6 yrs/120,000 km thru dealer, bumper to bumper. Love this car! Only negative is that I cannot get the nav/maps upgraded. Not available for this car. Disappointing but not a deal breaker for me.

 

[CanukV6]

Having previously owned a 2009 3.8 Genesis for 3 years and 75,000 miles I would add the following comments to the above:
Suspension is firm and very jittery over broken surfaces, but it is fine on the highway and smooth roads. It is very Tire dependent also. The OEM Dunlops had very stiff sidewalls which amplified the suspension shortcomings. A change to other tires (I went with Continental DWS) make a huge improvement. Depending where you live and what type of driving you do will determine if you find the ride bearable or not. I got used to it and although my 2012 is far better in this regard, I think its handing isn't as sharp - could be the tires though.
As Mark 888 said the original warranty only covered the major electronics for 3 years anyway. Although there were many reports of electronics problems by some, the systems in my 2009 were 100% fine. I think like all electronics, if they are prone to failure they will likely do so early in their lifespan.
I was able to upgrade the maps on my 2009, so I don't understand why that would be a problem. In fact the 2009 upgrade has more up-to-date maps than my 2012 !!
If the car checks out and the price is right, I would have no issues with buying a 2009 Genesis. If you want peace of mind, see if you can have it pre-purchase inspected by a Hyundai dealer that has an experienced Genesis Tech.

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[robcar]

There are many posts on different threads about the firm, jittery ride of the '09 Genesis. I got the 2010 model with the improved suspension but even the 2010 model was somewhat firm and jittery over rough roads. Like CanuKV6 I replaced the OEM Dunlop tires with Continental DWS tires and this improved the ride dramatically. I would say that at least half the problem with the ride were the Dunlops.

 

[jnc2000]

keep in mind Carfax can be incorrect - and as a whole is there only to make the dealer money.

By the way... the link to the Governments national database lookup...

http://www.vehiclehistory.gov/

 

[silverado]

my 09 is a jewel. i like the way it rides. absolutely no problems after 38,000 miles. except for the tires which were replaced 21,000 miles ago i love this car.

 

[robcar]

my 09 is a jewel. i like the way it rides. absolutely no problems after 38,000 miles. except for the tires which were replaced 21,000 miles ago i love this car.

Silverado, please think back 21,000 miles: did you notice the ride improved when you replaced the Dunlops? When I did it was like I was driving a different car: less bouncy jouncy on rough roads, for a much smoother, softer ride.

 

[seslwr]

Guys, thanks for the great tips. Besides CarFax, I also checked HMA Service. Only major issue the car's had was an ECU replacement last year. Sounds like a one-time issue. BTW, the '09 4.6 w/Tech has 21K miles and the dealer's willing to let it go for $25,000. Good deal?

 

[Mark_888]

...the dealer's willing to let it go for ...

When I hear a salesman use words like that, I usually reach around to my back pocket and make sure I still have my wallet.

If you want the car, I would tell the dealer that you have your checkbook with you, and can pay $21,000 right now, or else you will have to go home and think about it.

When he counters, tell him you cannot go any higher than $22,000 and drifting out the door. Don't pay more than $22,500.

 

[427435]

...the dealer's willing to let it go for ...

When I hear a salesman use words like that, I usually reach around to my back pocket and make sure I still have my wallet.

If you want the car, I would tell the dealer that you have your checkbook with you, and can pay $21,000 right now, or else you will have to go home and think about it.

When he counters, tell him you cannot go any higher than $22,000 and drifting out the door. Don't pay more than $22,500.

I would carry that one step farther. Give the salesman your phone number and tell him to call if he wants to sell the car for $21,000. I was followed into the parking lot once and had them meet my number (reasonable but low). I've also gotten calls back from dealers a day or two later that they would meet my number. In the case of the '67, I had found another dealer that did meet my number in the meantime (which is harder to do when dealing on a used car).

 

[CanukV6]

I love it when car salepersons make it sound like they are doing you a favour by taking your money and 'giving away' the car. $25k is too much. Regardless of mileage, it is still a 3-4 year old car. Also at that low mileage potential problems may not yet have shown up.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

Thats a good deal around my neck of the woods. Thats what I'm looking for in price range and mileage range as well! GIMMIE!!! Haha

 

[MValentine]

I have an 09 3.8 sedan that I purchased around Nov 08. I had been having problems with the ride but it was due to my brake rotors warping. I have 20" tires (Dunlaps) and rims which hugs it the turns very good. Going to replace the rotors with cross drilled rotors for Brake Performance very soon. I love this car, it currently has 126,000 miles.