Mazda CX-60

[Backslack]

Just unveiled today. This is the only Japanese vehicle that is a true GV70 rival. Turbocharged inline 6, RWD platform. Europe-only, but the U.S. will be getting a widebody version known as the CX-70 (hmm I wonder what that name remineds me of lol).

 

[etiennewheeler]

Well my Mazda dealer‘s service department has been nothing short of great . Noticed in Motor Trend’s long term review of MX30 that they thought the Mazda Service they experienced rivaled luxury brands .

Hope Genesis catches up to that some say . Still prefer the looks of the GV70 and love the way it drives but the CX 60 looks very nice.

 

[deuteronomyGV70]

Mazda is great. If you look at the tech/safety features of even the CX-50, it's not much different from GV70. In fact in some safety tests (like EURONCAP) more basic Mazda models like CX-30 and Mazda3 are rated much better than their Genesis counterparts. It's only in the aesthetics and the "luxury" tag where GV70 supersedes Mazda in my opinion.

 

[Backslack]

Mazda is great. If you look at the tech/safety features of even the CX-50, it's not much different from GV70. In fact in some safety tests (like EURONCAP) more basic Mazda models like CX-30 and Mazda3 are rated much better than their Genesis counterparts. It's only in the aesthetics and the "luxury" tag where GV70 supersedes Mazda in my opinion.

Mazda hasn't been on EURONCAP since 2020 while all Genesis models are from 2021 and newer, not to mention EURONCAP updates with more stringent crash tests every year. Even with the more strict standards, Genesis still sweeps the 2020 Mazda's across the board, and that's what I would expect from a true luxury brand making cars 3 or 4 times more expensive.

My gripe with Mazda tech has always been their lackluster infotainment systems, even with the CX-60 they STILL refuse to add a touchscreen.






The major win the CX-60/70 has over the GV70 is the powertrain options, every one offered by Mazda is either a mild hybrid, and a plug-in hybrid which Genesis doesn't offer. And their I6 will probably be much smoother and more efficient than the Genesis TTV6, though I'm not sure if it'll be as powerful. Their Skyactive 2.5T (which will serve as the backbone of the I6) isn't nearly as powerful as the GV70's 2.5T and needs the PHEV to achieve the same acceleration.

Unfortunately, I also find the looks underwhelming... I can't get over how boxy it is and how small the doors are, paired with those tiny wheel arches. It's a shame because RWD proportions tend to be hard to screw up, but Mazda somehow dun goofed.

The GV70 looks like a sports car by comparison.

 

[deuteronomyGV70]

Mazda hasn't been on EURONCAP since 2020 while all Genesis models are from 2021 and newer, not to mention EURONCAP updates with more stringent crash tests every year. Even with the more strict standards, Genesis still sweeps the 2020 Mazda's across the board, and that's what I would expect from a true luxury brand making cars 3 or 4 times more expensive.

My gripe with Mazda tech has always been their lackluster infotainment systems, even with the CX-60 they STILL refuse to add a touchscreen.

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The major win the CX-60/70 has over the GV70 is the powertrain options, every one offered by Mazda is either a mild hybrid, and a plug-in hybrid which Genesis doesn't offer. And their I6 will probably be much smoother and more efficient than the Genesis TTV6, though I'm not sure if it'll be as powerful. Their Skyactive 2.5T (which will serve as the backbone of the I6) isn't nearly as powerful as the GV70's 2.5T and needs the PHEV to achieve the same acceleration.

Unfortunately, I also find the looks underwhelming... I can't get over how boxy it is and how small the doors are, paired with those tiny wheel arches. It's a shame because RWD proportions tend to be hard to screw up, but Mazda somehow dun goofed.

The GV70 looks like a sports car by comparison.

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That's a good point - those safety scores are not directly comparable since they're from different years (but in 2019 mazda3 and cx-30 were better in occupant safety than almost any other car). I agree with you on the exterior looks 100%. When it comes to the interior, I wish the GV70 was even *more* minimal and simple, like what Mazda is doing.

 

[etiennewheeler]

Mazda‘s rational for not having touch screen is that they believe it causes distracted driving . Sometimes I think that all the settings can be distracting , My wife’s CX 30 has a HUD . You have to get the top of the line 3.5 Prestige to get that feature,

Mazda does do nice interiors . I like the Genesis better but it’s a bit unfair to judge our CX30 vs GV70 .

Every vehicle has it’s pro’s and con’s

 

[Backslack]

Oof, my worst fears were confirmed about the inline 6, it's not turbocharged, just naturally aspirated with a mild hybrid. Huge downer, this effectively kills the CX-60 as a GV70 3.5TT competitor.

Mazda Details Inline-Six 3.0-Liter Gasoline And 3.3-Liter Diesel Engines

Coinciding with the world premiere of the CX-60, Mazda has released preliminary details about its new straight-six e-Skyactiv X and e-Skyactiv D units.

www.motor1.com

 

[luck11]

We have had two Mazda's in our family, both for my son, both Mazda 3 GT Sport. Fantastic experience with both, and interiors do shine in their class, but frankly, Genesis is nicer. The version I saw for NA has the black plastic wheel arches, facia and diffuser, which I absolutely detest. This version is much nicer, looks more upscale. Profile reminds me more of a beemer. Still, the GV, IMHO is nicer.

 

[Carfreak]

Mazda has been killing it for years. They are a cut above Toyota and the rest as far as luxury and fit and finish. Ex- wife had a 2015 CX-5 and then went to a 2018 CX-9. Zero issues with either. Probably because they are built in Japan by Japanese workers. The auto journalists have often praised how well their cars and SUV's handle.

This CX-60 looks incredible. I knew they were working on an in-line 6 and here it is with a rear drive platform. It will be be great. Had this been around last year I probably would have opted for this over the GV70.

 

[Lionorion]

Oof, my worst fears were confirmed about the inline 6, it's not turbocharged, just naturally aspirated with a mild hybrid. Huge downer, this effectively kills the CX-60 as a GV70 3.5TT competitor.

Mazda Details Inline-Six 3.0-Liter Gasoline And 3.3-Liter Diesel Engines

Coinciding with the world premiere of the CX-60, Mazda has released preliminary details about its new straight-six e-Skyactiv X and e-Skyactiv D units.

www.motor1.com

Maybe, but have you ever driven an in-line six? They REALLY love to rev ‘cause they’re so buttery smooth.

But yeah, The GV70 was so lovingly designed and engineered that nothing really comes close to it in the looks department for sure, and you wouldn’t believe how those 4500 Lbs can dance around the corners with some state of the art UHP’s flowing over the tarmac.

I will say that I like that Mazda way better than the Alfa Toenail, er, I mean Tonale.

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[Backslack]

Maybe, but have you ever driven an in-line six? They REALLY love to rev ‘cause they’re so buttery smooth.

I've driven plenty of naturally aspirated I6's (mostly of the Toyota 2JZ variety) and while smooth, they're totally gutless compared to any turbo 6 and even some turbo 4-pots. And unlike an NA V8 which is even smoother and higher-reving, torque delivery of an NA I6 doesn't come low in the rev range so you have to floor them like any regular V6. The BMW and Mercedes's turbo I6's aren't just smooth, their power delivery is nothing short of effortless and explosive, yet somehow very linear.

The Mazda naturally aspirated I6 makes no sense, especially for the European market. This engine is going to get taxed like the other more powerful turbo 6-cylinders, so why would anyone want this over the PHEV that will be cheaper, faster, and more efficient? Just a wasted opportunity to make a truly potent powerplant that can actually compete on the level of Genesis.

I will say that I like that Mazda way better than the Alfa Toenail, er, I mean Tonale.

I would hope so, this is in the same segment as the Alfa Stelvio, not the Dodge Toenail.

 

[etiennewheeler]

Having driven many BMW naturally aspirated 6’s and feeling they had more than enough power for me ( and smooth ), I would reserve judgment till one drives this Mazda. I am very have with my 2.5 Prestige. I know some want more power and that’s OK .

Frankly one of the things I like most about the GV70 is the way it handles in real world driving. It feels planted and goes where you steer it. True there are better handling vehicles but tio me it inspires confidence on the road .

That would be something I would want in the Mazda.

 

[Lionorion]

Having driven many BMW naturally aspirated 6’s and feeling they had more than enough power for me ( and smooth ), I would reserve judgment till one drives this Mazda. I am very have with my 2.5 Prestige. I know some want more power and that’s OK .

Frankly one of the things I like most about the GV70 is the way it handles in real world driving. It feels planted and goes where you steer it. True there are better handling vehicles but tio me it inspires confidence on the road .

That would be something I would want in the Mazda.

I couldn’t agree with you more. Mazda‘s are good drivers cars, but I’m not sure how it will stack up to Biermann’s epic suspension set up on the GV70. Guess we’ll just have to wait for a test drive.