Missing Advertised Features?

[markn455]

There are two features that where previously announced that are not there.

1. Smart Cruse Control
2. Electronic Parking Brake

What else?


Mark
Ball Ground, GA

 

[Mark_888]

Announced by whom?

Smart Cruse Control (active braking) will supposedly be an option with the 2010 sedan (probably included in Tech Package).

Not even sure what Electronic Parking Brake is? Do you mean an automatic parking break? Never heard that it was to be, or is included, in 2009 model. Never heard that it will be included in future models (not to say I know it won't be in future models).

 

[markn455]

If you Google Hyundai Genesis Electronic Parking Brake, you will find it all over the place. Here is a quote from JDPower:

"The anti-lock braking system (ABS) includes brake assist and electronic brake-force distribution. Adaptive front lights that swivel slightly when cornering and an electronic parking brake also are standard. "

This feature is also talked about in the repair information on the Service website.

Mark
Ball Ground, GA

 

[markn455]

Here is a mention of the Smart Cruse Control:

Genesis showcases features such as XM NavTraffic, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFLS), Smart Cruise Control, Lexicon® audio systems and electronic active head restraints.

Here is the link

My understanding is they decided not to include it in the production version of the car.

Mark
Ball Ground, GA

 

[Soldier76]

I'm assuming it was done to keep cost low.

 

[kaberle]

Here is a mention of the Smart Cruse Control:

Genesis showcases features such as XM NavTraffic, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFLS), Smart Cruise Control, Lexicon® audio systems and electronic active head restraints.

Here is the link

My understanding is they decided not to include it in the production version of the car.

Mark
Ball Ground, GA

I have read the same things as you....... I believe these were items talked about by reviewers as opposed to Hyundai......... as I understand it with the Smart Cruise...... this is a feature that Hyundai is toying with and may introduce in the next year but somehow journalists got it in their head it was going to be in the 2009 model......

So to reiterate........... I don't believe this is Hyundai advertising features and not delivering as much as journalists jumping the gun a bit.......

 

[Mark_888]

Here is a mention of the Smart Cruse Control:

Genesis showcases features such as XM NavTraffic, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFLS), Smart Cruise Control, Lexicon® audio systems and electronic active head restraints.

Here is the link

My understanding is they decided not to include it in the production version of the car.

Mark
Ball Ground, GA

Keep in mind that the Genesis is built in Korea and was available in the Korean market (and other world markets) before it came to the US. The Korean Genesis has several features that the North American versions do not have (including air suspension). I don't know for sure, but it is possible that Korean version has that smart cruise control.

At no time that I know did Hyundai claim that the North American version was going to have smart cruise control. The article you posted was from the January 2008 Detroit Auto Show, before the 2009 model was officially introduced to the North American market.

 

[moose66]

Also remember that some of the features left off of US models may exist on the Genesis models in Korea.

 

[markn455]

Ah, that makes sense... In any case, this is one fantastic car! Had mine about 2 weeks now. 1500 miles on my 4.6 Tech.

Mark
Ball Ground, GA

 

[Mark_888]

If you Google Hyundai Genesis Electronic Parking Brake, you will find it all over the place. Here is a quote from JDPower:

"The anti-lock braking system (ABS) includes brake assist and electronic brake-force distribution. Adaptive front lights that swivel slightly when cornering and an electronic parking brake also are standard. "

This feature is also talked about in the repair information on the Service website.

Mark
Ball Ground, GA

I don't know what is meant by "electronic parking brake." If it is mentioned on the Hyundai repair website, then I assume they have it, but I still don't know what that means. It could just mean electronic controlled, and not automatic (does not turn on and off automatically).

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[ctrcbob]

The cars I leased in France had Electronic Parking Brake. Goes on when you shut off ignition. Goes off when you start car and shift into drive or if in a manual shift, when you start car and engage clutch. I am not impressed.

I would rather see a hand operated parking brake vice the foot operated brake we have, however it is something I can live with.

 

[flyingcarpet]

Electronic parking brake means the parking brake is applied or released electrically by pushing a switch. The U. S. Genesis using mechanical foot operated parking brake. Both MB S-class and BMW 7 series have electronic parking brake. This kind of parking brake can provide some convenient functions. e.g. when you shift from park to drive and step on gas peddle, the parking brake will released automatically. There is another possible function like when the car comes to a complete stop(e.g. at red light), if you step the brake peddle all the way down after the complete stop, the parking brake will be activated. You only need to step on the gas peddle when its ready to go. This gives your leg and foot time to rest while waiting for the light. I wonder if Genesis includes these extra funtions in its electronic parking brake.

 

[Duaine]

I was told by a Hyundai Rep when I first showed interest in the Genesis last fall that they were having trouble with the smart cruise control while in testing here in the U.S.

He said while traveling on interstates that if a car was going by you in the passing lane and maybe a bit close to the center line or if you were close to the center line or a combination of both caused the smart cruise control to adjust speeds with that car rather than the cars in front of you in your lane.

What I didn't understand, and I admit I don't know the details to how the smart cruise control works, but even if it was picking a car up passing you I wouldn't think it would matter. If in your lane you come up on a slower moving car your car is suppose to then adjust your speed to match that.

But you would think if you have your cruise control set at a given speed and a car passes you in the passing lane naturally it is moving faster. Since you have a speed set your speed shouldn't be able to increase due to what's going on beside you. Also since the car passing you is faster than you this should not cause your car to slow down.

I'm not sure what the actual problems were except that the Hyundai Rep. said testers said that it was very annoying. It was decided to drop it for the 2009 model year but it was going to originally have it. He said that it was to be delayed one model year is the last I knew.

He also said there was trouble with the electronic parking brake and the 2009 Genesis was suppose to have that as well. He had no details however of what the problems were with that?

He also mentioned a cooled passenger seat but there was something with the auto air bag passenger detection system in the passenger seat. I don't know if there was some kind of conflict with the two systems or what was meant by it?

I guess you can look at it two ways. Were we all short changed or were we saved a bunch of annoying problems first year out? At any rate it looks like the 2010 Genesis sedan could have some or all of those additional features.

What may be interesting is that it was my undertanding that the 2009 Genesis pricing originally included the above options that were then dropped. If they are included on the 2010 genesis is there going to be a price increase? Was the 2010's going to increase in price anyway? I guess we will have to wait and see............

 

[Mark_888]

He said while traveling on interstates that if a car was going by you in the passing lane and maybe a bit close to the center line or if you were close to the center line or a combination of both caused the smart cruise control to adjust speeds with that car rather than the cars in front of you in your lane.

What I didn't understand, and I admit I don't know the details to how the smart cruise control works, but even if it was picking a car up passing you I wouldn't think it would matter. If in your lane you come up on a slower moving car your car is suppose to then adjust your speed to match that.

But you would think if you have your cruise control set at a given speed and a car passes you in the passing lane naturally it is moving faster. Since you have a speed set your speed shouldn't be able to increase due to what's going on beside you. Also since the car passing you is faster than you this should not cause your car to slow down.

I'm not sure what the actual problems were except that the Hyundai Rep. said testers said that it was very annoying. It was decided to drop it for the 2009 model year but it was going to originally have it. He said that it was to be delayed one model year is the last I knew.

Maybe it was a problem when you car is passing a slower car in another lane. Or perhaps even if another car is passing you, your car slowed down in order to keep proper distance because it thought you were too close to the car in front of you (but it was really seeing the car beside you).

 

[knight]

.Several owners on this forum have made comments regarding Electronic Stability Control being overly intrusive at times with no ability to turn it off completely. I hope Smart Cruise Control (SCC) is an option in the 2010 that can be enabled independently of Cruise Control.

I am anxiously awaiting the announcement of the 2010's so I know whether to buy a 2009 or a 2010. Dealer inventories in Chicagoland are amazingly short of non-demo 4.6L Sedans with the Tech Package.

-knight

 

[ctrcbob]

The cars I leased in France had Electronic Parking Brake. Goes on when you shut off ignition. Goes off when you start car and shift into drive or if in a manual shift, when you start car and engage clutch. I am not impressed.

I would rather see a hand operated parking brake vice the foot operated brake we have, however it is something I can live with.

To go a little further in my above post, every time I go to France, I lease (yes lease, not rent) a Renault Laguna. www.renaultusa.com I always tell them I want a manual transmission. The last one I had, in 2006 had the Electronic Parking Brake. Sure, it was nice to have as it would engage when you shut off the ignition (on/off button) and would dis-engage after starting engine (on-off button) and after the car was in first or reverse, and only when the clutch was then engaged. Again, it was nice to have, EXCEPT when I would be stopped on a hill, with cars lined up behind me, waiting for me to go. Normally with a hand parking brake, I just hold the hand parking brake and keep one foot on the clutch and the other on the gas, however, because I had no hand brake, I had to "feather the clutch and the gas". Either that, or I had to be fast in switching my right foot from the brake pedal to the gas pedal and not stall the engine.

My old shipmate in Roswell has a Toyota Prius (that he won at the "Billy The Kid Casino") and this Prius has an Electronic Parking Brake that engages/disengages when he pushes a button on the dash. (Not the Stop/Start button).

My Continental has to foot operated parking brake that I have to push to engage, but it disengages when the car goes into Park.

I still like the hand operated parking brake best.