My Story - Farewell genesisowners

[DanTheMan]

The .9% financing on the BMWs are really good. I wish Hyundai had that.

Hyundai's finance specials are area specific. I bought mine (in Tennessee, where I live) for 48 mos. @ .9%. I purchased in August, '08. I think the deal in this area has been modified to 36 mos. @ .9%, and slightly higher rates for extended terms. Not knowing where you live, it may be to your advantage to research that a bit on their website, and buy the car in one of those states.

Good luck!

Dan :>)

 

[okc329]

Curiousme, I didn't see anything in your analysis re fuel costs or insurance costs over the expected life of your purcase. Mind going over those for the BMW vs the Hyundai for us? TIA.

 

[Gold Z]

You bought a car which is already a model year old and compare it with a new model car.....You are comparing apples to oranges when it comes to prices. Regardless, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Congrats on finding the right car at the right price for yourself.

 

[jailer]

So, Dudes/Dudettes..... I'm a longtime lurker and huge Genesis fan (will own one soon hopefully) and remember reading this months ago, and decided to check it out again, as something just did'nt seem right to me. Yes, maybe strange, but whatever. By the way, I am a huge BMW type, however, LOVE underdog's who can win.

Anyway, let me start off by asking, if you purchase a car, and enter a community/forum, you usually remain involved for quite some time, if you really are a fan/owner, right?? I mean, look at you guys enthusiasm and continued involvement.

So, I go check out "Curiousme" on Bimmerfest/E60, and find this one lonely post
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/search.php?searchid=10628097

 

[jailer]

Now, curiousme might be actually a totally cool person and really did get the 5, and I don't mean anything negative, Curious, if you come back and see this, but the other thing is that the Genisis v6 not having enough power is just too far off not to notice how awkward that reads. With a 0-60 of roughly 5.9, and the bmw less than a second quicker.... I mean, I could understand one vehicle being like 8.5, and another being 6.1 or something.
Go to the v8 (which is still less than a 535i), and Car and Driver's long term test results on the Genesis match the BMW 550i. 0-60 5.3, the 0-100 figure, and the 1/4 mile.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q3/2009_hyundai_genesis_4.6-long-term_road_test_intro

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/member.php?u=137221

 

[mkaresh]

The thread in question appears to be gone.

I'm assuming he said that the Genesis felt slower than the 535i. This is valid.

Full throttle acceleration and feel during everyday driving are two different things. The BMW engine feels considerably stronger in regular driving, courtesy of the turbos. The peak torque figures give some indication of this:

BMW: 300@1,400 RPM (underrated to make the V8 look better, probably actually 325 or so)

Genesis: 264@3,500 RPM, so perhaps 250@1,400 RPM

 

[tjc78]

Isn't the V6 290HP?

Edit.. I see what you were pointing out.

 

[Dimitry]

I was minutes away personally of ordering a 535i for European Delivery - I had issues with the financial end of Hyundai, in a nutshell, the payment jump from my previous lease was nearly 2x higher, while everything else on the credit report was flawless. Upon being disappointed with Hyundai, I went straight to the 535i and was approved immediately for pretty much anything (maybe not the 750Lxi...) With the price advantage of the European delivery, payment was about 100/150 higher than a fully loaded Genesis for a moderately equipped 535i - I slept on it a few nights, and decided the Genesis was the better of the two fiscally, bang for the buck. One of the key factors of my decision was that the 09s, 08's have a safety ranking of "Marginal" on a side impact, and really, safety shines above anything. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIibknMJUhs"]YouTube - Crash Test 2008 BMW 5 Series (Side Impact) 8 (Eight) Different Angles[/ame]

I really like the 35i engine though - there's a ton of aftermarket chips available for it to turn it into a 340/390 torque monster - which is really fun.

Have fun with it!

 

[jailer]

More importantly, I'll ask again. Does it make sense to purchase an expensive, killer automobile you are totally excited by, then become part of a forum(bimmerfest) for the make of auto, then just introduce yourself in one post and never return? Remember, this was on the same day Curious was here making his/her statements.
Maybe this was complete b.s., is what I am saying. Do you guys get it?

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/member.php?u=137221

On a side note, of course the 535 would feel faster, as it has fairly close numbers to it's older bro, the 550i. Check it out. If I was comparing, it's a little more appropriate to compare to two normally aspirated six cylinders. The Genesis v6 compares to the 528i. That is a fair comparison, imo. Two normally aspirated six cylinders.

 

[joseyu]

Perhaps I can join this discussion for a comparison between the Genesis V8 and the E60 5 series because our other car is an 07 550i.

Overall I can tell you that the 550i is the more athletic car, while the V8 Genesis seems to be more grown up. The 550i would definitely leave the Genesis in the twisties, but I have a feeling that the Genesis is almost as fast in a straight line. The 550i also feels faster because it is definitely much nosier in the cabin than he Genesis. You can hear the engine roar in the bimmer, while the genny is very well insulated. I think the Genesis is as quiet if not even more quiet that my friend's 7 series.

I am really torn about which car I enjoy more because the genesis is extremely quiet, and all the electronics is well integrated. Meanwhile, the 550i is extremely fun to toss around, but it is much nosier and iDrive is a pain to deal with. On my most recent 600 mile trip, I decided to take the Genesis because of how quiet the interior is and since it was mostly highway driving.

I have also driven 335i and 535i as loaner vehicles, which is one great reason to have a BMW and I feel that they are both only slightly slower than the 550i. The biggest difference being that the power delivery of the turbo I6 engine seems to be abrupt, while the 550i V8's power delivery is extremely smooth. The Genesis V8's power delivery is also extremely smooth and I guess that is an inherent property for a V8 engine.

With regards to the extended warranty for a BMW, if you know that you will be keeping the car for a while, then I would suggest that you get it as early as possible. You should definitely have decided before the car turns past 36K miles because it costs most to extend the warranty, the more mileage you have on the car. Finally, I hope you have a great time in the BMW, and E60.net is the better forum for a 5 series owner IMHO. Bimmerfest is extremely great if you want to read about the European Delivery program.

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[jailer]

With regard to the Genesis, I don't think anyone would compare with bmw in the "twisties". You could probably EASILY change out the suspension, and do so, I bet. Most of my friends with bmw's always talk about "twisties". I always ask them to give me an example, or go race and show me, or do something to back up what they say. Well......... They never can, and when they rarely do anything "racy", it is ALWAYS in a straight line.

Somebody show a HANDFUL of "races" or "challenges", in the "twisties". I'll wait.

 

[joseyu]

It does not have to be races that involve twisties. An example I can give is the 25 mph limit highway off ramp right by house. In the 550i, I can take it to about 60-65 mph and still feel relatively safe, but in the Genesis anything over 50 scares the shit out of everyone in the car.

If I was to take a trip to door county Wisconsin or Ludington Michigan, I would definitely take the 550i because of all the small back country roads. Otherwise, on the interstate I would definitely prefer the Genesis.

 

[jailer]

See, that's a little more appropriate Jose. I just get sick of the bmw guys who talk about, "I'll lose him in the twisties....", when they don't even have the balls to do it in the first place. However, for the Genesis, why don't you go get a sophisticated aftermarket suspension/springs, or what have you? What's the problem?

It's not like Hyundai does'nt know they have a softer suspension. They did that on purpose, because of their target market, for the most part.

 

[joseyu]

I don't think I will do that because that is what the other car is for. I don't really mind the softer suspension on the Genesis. In fact, it makes a great highway cruiser.

 

[jailer]

I see your point. If you ever want them, here:

http://www.btgmotoring.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HR52020

 

[joseyu]

That is good to know in case I ever want to change the springs. Do you know of any users on this forum who have the springs installed on their Genesis?

 

[jailer]

Jose, no I don't, but to tell you the truth, with all the ambiguity with regard to the suspension, I have always been thinking, "why in the heck don't these guys just go take care of this.....". The only thing I could think was that maybe it voided the warranty? I don't know, but why just sit around and do nothing, when it might be fairly simple?

Here is a thread related, however, it seems the "lowering" is what they are focusing on.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354507

 

[muisui]

either way... it is a good car.
See you in Bimmerfest

 

[jailer]

either way... it is a good car.
See you in Bimmerfest

You guys are cracking me up now. You won't see this person at Bimmerfest, and this was almost a year ago. Look at the info I posted. It MORE than looks like Curiousone was a fake. I could be wrong, but .......
I'll ask this again. If you purchase a car you are so overwhelmingly enthusiastic about, and register on a forum, do you stay on for a while? Post for a month, two months, five years?

Most of you do, and I do with the forums I belong to. Even this one and I don't have the car yet!

Curiousone made one post to introduce, and left. This was on that same date their MULTIPLE posts were done here. You guys figure it out.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/member.php?u=137221

 

[GripperDon]

Jose, no I don't, but to tell you the truth, with all the ambiguity with regard to the suspension, I have always been thinking, "why in the heck don't these guys just go take care of this.....". The only thing I could think was that maybe it voided the warranty? I don't know, but why just sit around and do nothing, when it might be fairly simple?

Here is a thread related, however, it seems the "lowering" is what they are focusing on.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354507

Unfortunately the springs offered by H&R are lowering springs, They are shorter and therefor have a higher spring rate that the stock so they make the ride even harder, and firmer or "more sport like" . Such a shame.