Need information on home charging stations

[Crito]

Maybe you don't even need to have a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed by an electrician. If you live in a modern home with a NEMA 14-30 dryer outlet that's in or near your garage all you have to buy is a Splitvolt 24 AMP charger for about $300 (with 25 foot cable like mine). Done! It's really more like level 1.5 (5.8 kW) rather than true level 2 but I still can charge from 20% to 80% overnight. Level 2 Portable EV Charger 24 Amp NEMA 14-30

EDIT; Oh, and I also bought their 14-50 to 14-30 adapter so I can charge just about anywhere: EV Charger Adapter 220V - 240V NEMA 14-50P/14-30R

 

[Looney100]

Maybe you don't even need to have a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed by an electrician. If you live in a modern home with a NEMA 14-30 dryer outlet that's in or near your garage all you have to buy is a Splitvolt 24 AMP charger for about $300 (with 25 foot cable like mine). Done! It's really more like level 1.5 (5.8 kW) rather than true level 2 but I still can charge from 20% to 80% overnight. Level 2 Portable EV Charger 24 Amp NEMA 14-30

I ran a line to the garage for my charger, myself. I stole an unused 30A circuit intended for an air conditioner, ran the wire to the garage, installed a box with outlet, et voila! Worked great.

A couple years later, I had solar installed on the house and the installers used that line to backhaul power to the main panel, so I had them install a dedicated 60A circuit to max out charging capability. I've used the charger only once since the upgrade.

 

[Zcd1]

I disagree with you about the Tesla Mobile Connector. I have a Tesla mobile connector because I ordered and then cancelled a Model 3 (couldn't stomach doing business with Musk after reading some of his latest rants). I added a Teslatap adapter and it works just fine with my GV70 ev. I use my GV70 to specify the max to charge the battery to, after dinner I plug the Mobile charger into the Nema 14-50 outlet I had installed and it takes about 5 1/2 hrs to charge to 80%.
I don't need to track my charging cost but I could simply divide the miles added by 3.2 and then multiply that by my kwh rate to get the charging cost. Your EV automatically will limit the charging amperage to what it can handle
One advantage is that I can take the Teslatap adapter with me and charge my GV70 at any Tesla destination charger.

We also use our Tesla Mobile Connector with a TeslaTap and it works well.

 

[Crito]

I ran a line to the garage for my charger, myself. I stole an unused 30A circuit intended for an air conditioner, ran the wire to the garage, installed a box with outlet, et voila! Worked great.

A couple years later, I had solar installed on the house and the installers used that line to backhaul power to the main panel, so I had them install a dedicated 60A circuit to max out charging capability. I've used the charger only once since the upgrade.

Cadillac LYRIQ can do 19.2 kW AC charging so I'm thinking of getting an 80 amp charger installed on a 100 amp circuit. Not something I can do myself though as the service panel itself has to be upgraded. For now though, my 24 amp dryer outlet charger works just fine. Peak electricity rates end at 9 PM during the summer here in texas (6X more expensive than off-peak) so that gives me plenty of time to charge before the sun comes up again. I just didn't see a need to pay to have a 50 amp outlet installed.

 

[steveinarizona]

Cadillac LYRIQ can do 19.2 kW AC charging so I'm thinking of getting an 80 amp charger installed on a 100 amp circuit. Not something I can do myself though as the service panel itself has to be upgraded. For now though, my 24 amp dryer outlet charger works just fine. Peak electricity rates end at 9 PM during the summer here in texas (6X more expensive than off-peak) so that gives me plenty of time to charge before the sun comes up again. I just didn't see a need to pay to have a 50 amp outlet installed.

If Texas is like Arizona, your electric line is underground. I looked at upgrading my service from 225 to 400 but that would have meant tunneling through and under my lawn. I didn't want to do that and figured that a 50 amp line was adequate and it certainly is for the GV60.

 

[Crito]

Yeah, digging will be involved but if Arizona is as hot as Texas your lawn probably dies in the summer anyways. In any case, I'm sure a 50 amp circuit is plenty for now. My Mercedes EQE 500 can't AC charge faster than 9.6 kW so definitely don't need an 80 amp charger for it (9600 W / 240 V = 40 A max). But I'm sure at some point I'll be buying a second EV and I'd like to future-proof the installation as much as possible. I read in Europe with three phase electricity some EVs can even AC charge at 22 kW.

 

[krikorr]

Hey, I am a new GV60 owner. I am the 2nd owner of this GV60 so that means that I missed out of the Free charges for Electried America. That offer is only available to the original owner. Now I have to look for a home charging station and I am not sure which one to purchase. There are so many available but I want to make sure that I purchase the correct station for my new car. I called 3 dealerships and no one was able to tell me which charging station to purchase. They all told me to go to the website. That was not helpful to me. Can anyone help me?

If You haven't already, you might want to check out Tom Moloughney's YouTube channel. Here's a link to his best chargers of 2023 video The Best High Powered EV Chargers Of 2023

 

[Grayson]

I saw some videos stating that you don't even need a charger; just install a 240V outlet. Are all of you getting chargers for faster charges?

 

[Zcd1]

I saw some videos stating that you don't even need a charger; just install a 240V outlet. Are all of you getting chargers for faster charges?

The charging cable (charger) generally can be plugged into a 220/240 volt outlet, though some choose to hard-wire them instead. I personally don't see much benefit to hard-wiring, since that makes the charging setup more difficult to take with you should you sell the house.

I simply had a 220V socket installed and plugged my Tesla Mobile Charger into that, and use a TeslaTap to charge our GV60 when needed.

 

[krikorr]

You will need a NEMA 14-50 (240 volt) outlet installed for either the home charger or mobile charger.
A home charger that requires it to be hardwired (not plugged into the 240 V outlet) means you loose the ability to take the charger with you when you move or when you are going on vacation and the facility has 240V outlets available for charging. Like Zcd1 above, I use a Tesla Mobile Charger ($230) and a TeslaTap Mini 40 amp adapter ($240) to charge my GV70 at about 23miles/hour. You can buy TeslaTap mini 60 or 80 amp models if you want faster /hour charging at home and your electric panel can handle the extra current.

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[Grayson]

I see. A friend gave me his 14-50 charging cable from his Polestar 2 so I was going to have an electrician install a 14-50 outlet and plug directly in. Was just wondering why people are buying chargers rather than plugging directly in.

 

[krikorr]

I see. A friend gave me his 14-50 charging cable from his Polestar 2 so I was going to have an electrician install a 14-50 outlet and plug directly in. Was just wondering why people are buying chargers rather than plugging directly in.

I think people buy Level 2 "smart home charger" instead of a level 2 mobile connector because they take delivery of the car and discover that the provided level 1 charger charges at about 2 miles/hr. Even if you had a level 2 240-Volt installed in advance, you now need someway to get the power from the outlet to the car. There are basic "dumb" mobile connectors that simply provide that connection. Plug one end into the 240 volt outlet and the other into the car's charging port. And that's it. The other option is to purchase a "Level 2 home Charger." These can be hard wired into a 240 circuit or others can be plugged into a 240 volt outlet. They are called "smart" because they come with an app for your smart phone that allows you to monitor and control the charging process. They range in price from $400 to $900.

But your Genesis EV comes with the Genesis Intelligent assistant allows you to access your Genesis' built in charging controls while using a "dumb" level 2 connector. With a "dumb" connector and the Genesis Intelligent assistant, you can:

Schedule charging start times
Start Battery Pre-Conditioning,
Specify too what percent you want the battery charged
Setting AC/DC Charge Voltage Limits,
Start or Stop Charging from the screen.
Set charging schedules to automatically start charging based on your driving habits.
Set off-peak efficiency to save on your energy bill

After first trying a Lectron connector which didn't fully work with my GV70. I took the same approach as Zcd1.
A $240 Tesla Mobile Connector and a $239 TeslaTap Tesla to J1772 adaptor. Try your Polestar connector and if it works you can control all the other stuff from your Genesis Intelligent assistant app.

Be Well

 

[Grayson]

Thanks for the detailed information. Very helpful!

 

[Grayson]

Now that I've received by GV60, I understand why people buy the Tesla Mobile Connector. It only came with a 110v charging cable. Nothing for 240v.

One question: Why does the app say it's plugged into 240v when I used the supplied cable to plug into 110v?

 

[Looney100]

One question: Why does the app say it's plugged into 240v when I used the supplied cable to plug into 110v?

Because the app is awful?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[krikorr]

Now that I've received by GV60, I understand why people buy the Tesla Mobile Connector. It only came with a 110v charging cable. Nothing for 240v.

One question: Why does the app say it's plugged into 240v when I used the supplied cable to plug into 110v?
The Tesla mobile connector comes in a black zip up case with TWO plugs. A 110 and a 240. You have to pull very hard to disconnect the 110 plug from the charger.