New Genesis vs Used S class Merc

[johnnydee]

I'm wondering if anyone has had or traded from an S class to a Genesis.
The used vs new consideration and is there more bell and whistles with a new Genesis as well!

Thanks John

 

[Midnightsun]

I own a Mercedes also. Assuming the warranty is up on the Mercedes you are looking at do you realize the costs associated with repair work on a Mercedes? Totally ridiculous just like BMW. The Genesis exceeds by leaps and bounds in terms of reliability compared to the high end German stuff. There is a reason BMW and Mercedes sell for rather low AFTER the warranty is out. In all honesty, go for the new Genny, your wallet will thank you in the long run. Cheers.

 

[homeofstone]

I also own a Mercedes E500 and agree the repair cost can be high. But mine has been reliable. However, if you find a good local independent garage that repiars Mercedes talk with them about what they charge for typical repairs. Remember the Genny comes with a 100,000 mile 10 year warranty.

 

[tompass]

Came out of a 740il that I purchased used but with a 7 year and 100K mile warranty with $100 deductible. Can not tell you how many times I had use that policy and the money that the underwriter lost on deal. Certainly had repairs done but was getting a bit tired of making arrangements for repairs and alternate transportation etc. Never again a used high end German car even though the BMW was a wonderful car and maybe even better then the Genesis in short term when all was right with the world.

 

[Tempest76]

Just sold my Mercedes. Was going to buy a newer, but used, one. In the process I had a realization - I was going to pay the same for a used MB with little of no warranty left, as I would pay for a certified 2011 Genesis with 4/10 years warranty.

No brainer. I am awaiting delivery on my Genesis - hoping for tomorrow!

 

[Midnightsun]

Mercedes USED to be the best built most reliable car on the planet until Chrysler got their bean counters into them. They totally killed the decades of hard work and engineering the Germans did. In the last few years they have gotten better but no where near the reliability of the older ones.

 

[tompass]

I totally agree. Before the BMW, I had 1989 Mercedes 300SE. Straight 6 and great car with relatively very few problems. I looked real hard at the '11 Chrysler 300C before I pulled trigger on Genesis. Although it is a better riding car, I just don't think they are there yet but certainly moving in the right direction.

 

[Rich10]

If I were you, I would test drive both and see which you like better. Then, you have to balance the cachet of the Merc against the reliability and warranty of the Genesis.

I'll admit that I was worried about how people would perceive me as a Hyundai owner. It turns out that I had nothing to worry about. Without exception, people have complemented me on my Genesis and how intelligent a choice that I made.

Unless cachet is very important to you, I think you'll choose the Genesis.

 

[bradyb]

If I were you, I would test drive both and see which you like better. Then, you have to balance the cachet of the Merc against the reliability and warranty of the Genesis.

I'll admit that I was worried about how people would perceive me as a Hyundai owner. It turns out that I had nothing to worry about. Without exception, people have complemented me on my Genesis and how intelligent a choice that I made.

Unless cachet is very important to you, I think you'll choose the Genesis.

@-->RICH10

my apologies for highjacking the post but rich10 your exactly right. If I hadn't liked the look of the "wings" so much I wouldn't have re badged my car. I feel like I am THE savviest consumer driving on the road; I feel I literally stole my Genesis - it's a great feeling.

 

[johnnydee]

@-->RICH10

my apologies for highjacking the post but rich10 your exactly right. If I hadn't liked the look of the "wings" so much I wouldn't have re badged my car. I feel like I am THE savviest consumer driving on the road; I feel I literally stole my Genesis - it's a great feeling.

Does anyone else know you stole it?
Doesn't that make it difficult to get warranty repairs?



I do own 2 mercedes so I know all about stealerships.
I'm not concerned about how others view the vehicle, I'm concerned at how I'll enjoy the experience.
A couple of years ago I recommended to my father that he should buy a XG350, as I felt it was a good car for the money, I cautioned him however that the car would have a higher than normal depreciation but he bought it and enjoyed it.
I guess I'm hoping for a similar experience with the Genesis.

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[Kevinc5a]

Just sold my Mercedes. Was going to buy a newer, but used, one. In the process I had a realization - I was going to pay the same for a used MB with little of no warranty left, as I would pay for a certified 2011 Genesis with 4/10 years warranty.

No brainer. I am awaiting delivery on my Genesis - hoping for tomorrow!

Is the used Genesis warranty limited to 60K miles?

 

[Mark_888]

Is the used Genesis warranty limited to 60K miles?

Many CPO (Certified Pre-Owned) cars come with the same warranty as afforded original owners.

 

[forzza1]

Many CPO (Certified Pre-Owned) cars come with the same warranty as afforded original owners.

I am noot sure about States but here in Canada CPO warranty does not cover everything and by all means it is a subset of the initial manufacturer warranty. My last BMW 750 had a problem with hydraulic mecanism from the trunk, one piston and couple lines start leaking oil. Long story short..the bill was $ 1250 and not covered by extended warranty.
One should read careful the CPO warranty brochure (handed by the dealer upon request), it contains a very comprehensive list of what's actually covered under the extended warranty.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Mercedes USED to be the best built most reliable car on the planet until Chrysler got their bean counters into them. They totally killed the decades of hard work and engineering the Germans did. In the last few years they have gotten better but no where near the reliability of the older ones.

Ditto. My 1979 MB 6.9 was like no other I've ever owned. Rugged, fast and totally reliable. Sounds like my R-Spec!

 

[Mark_888]

I am noot sure about States but here in Canada CPO warranty does not cover everything and by all means it is a subset of the initial manufacturer warranty. My last BMW 750 had a problem with hydraulic mecanism from the trunk, one piston and couple lines start leaking oil. Long story short..the bill was $ 1250 and not covered by extended warranty.
One should read careful the CPO warranty brochure (handed by the dealer upon request), it contains a very comprehensive list of what's actually covered under the extended warranty.

I never said that CPO is an extended warranty, nor did I say it covers everything.

The standard Hyundai warranty for new cars is 5 years / 60K miles (except for certain audio/video/nav electronic items which is 3 years / 36K miles). In addition, the drivetrain warranty is for 10 years / 100K miles.

However, the drivetrain warranty is not transferable to subsequent owners past the normal 5 years / 60K miles (which is transferable). But there is an exception: if the used car is sold by a dealer as a CPO car, Hyundai will transfer the 10 year / 100K miles drivetrain warranty to the new purchaser.

CPO warranties and other terms can be defined by each manufacturer as they see fit. There is no government regulation or standards for the CPO designation.

Non of this should be confused with extended warranties sold by dealers or third party warranty providers.

 

[John M]

The S class, specifically the S600, is a tough sedan to beat. You can find showroom clean ones with under 30k miles for under $30k. Don't confuse them with the other Mercedes offerings; these are the best they can build. The twin turbo v12 allows the car to defy the laws of physics when accelerating and there's room for 5. Sure, the Genesis gets twice the mileage but I don't think there's a better highway car out there. You need to shop at least an Equus if you want a car in S-class territory.

That said, I don't shop in the $180k+ range. I'd take a Genesis R-spec over a base E class but when you get to the turbo v8's it might sway me back to the German side. Hyundai's navigation and audio is far better and the warranty is always nice to have even if you never need it.

My brother has an 05 CL65 AMG and has yet to have an expensive repair bill. All the car has ever needed is a new battery (after 7 years) and it had a leaking seal on the trans that cost a whopping $170 parts & labor to fix. Rear tires every 8-10k miles is another matter but 740 ft-lbs of torque can do that to any tire.

 

[Midnightsun]

I may be wrong but then again I have been on the Mercedes forums for what seems like forever and the 600 power plant is the one you want to steer clear of. Now this comes strictly from the 600 in the SL but the 600 none the less.

 

[Wana]

I had 2 S Class Mercedes before buying my Genesis. They are great cars, but they do require relatively expensive maintenence. For me, buying the Genesis was absolutely the right thing to do, I love it.

 

[ImInPA]

I have a 2011 E350 Bluetec. I have put 33k trouble-free miles on this car. I have had one recall to replace a fuel filter. I have not found service to be any higher than Acura, Lexus, Volvo or BMW. They are all expensive to fix out of warranty. When you buy used, you are taking a chance. If you buy new, you know if the vehicle has been prone to failures. If so, trade it. If you have a vehicle that has been relatively trouble free, there is no reason to think it will suddenly fall apart. The OP does not state the model year of the S-Class he is considering. It would have to be pretty new for me to consider it over a new Genesis. I am guessing that if it is an S at $40k it is 4-6 years old, and/or, has a gazillion miles. Get the Genesis.

 

[OGenesis]

The S class, specifically the S600, is a tough sedan to beat. You can find showroom clean ones with under 30k miles for under $30k. Don't confuse them with the other Mercedes offerings; these are the best they can build. The twin turbo v12 allows the car to defy the laws of physics when accelerating and there's room for 5. Sure, the Genesis gets twice the mileage but I don't think there's a better highway car out there. You need to shop at least an Equus if you want a car in S-class territory.

That said, I don't shop in the $180k+ range. I'd take a Genesis R-spec over a base E class but when you get to the turbo v8's it might sway me back to the German side. Hyundai's navigation and audio is far better and the warranty is always nice to have even if you never need it.

My brother has an 05 CL65 AMG and has yet to have an expensive repair bill. All the car has ever needed is a new battery (after 7 years) and it had a leaking seal on the trans that cost a whopping $170 parts & labor to fix. Rear tires every 8-10k miles is another matter but 740 ft-lbs of torque can do that to any tire.

I don't think a 180k car can be compared to any Genesis. They are in different leagues. However, you can park 4 R-specs in the driveway at that price point...