New Genesis Website

[jsmit86]

Another factor... in some cases a change you see in KDM may not YET be tested or certified to meet FMVSS. There may also be a requirement to re-test for IIHS.

There are significant expenses to changes that go beyond just the material cost of the product.

 

[Nikgen]

1. True, I don't know for sure. But I assume they are not idiots, and would have liked to have made changes, or had a brand new G80 at brand launch like they did for the G90.

2. What is "possible" and what is "feasible" are not always the same thing.

3. Hyundai Motor America does not run Hyundai Motor. Sometimes they have to live with what Korea wants to do. John Krafcik, former HAM CEO found that out when he was let go (he went to TrueCar and is now head of Google's autonomous car effort).

Fair enough - I'm not saying they are idiots, but working for one of the largest companies in the world myself, I see dumb decisions made every day - usually chasing short term gain and cost reduction.

Regardless of the actual reasons, it has created a suboptimal launch environment for the G80 and the Genesis Brand as evidenced by the 2016 Hyundai Genesis commercial I just saw on TV and the awkward fact that they will be selling essentially identical cars at the same dealers for very different prices (until they purge all 2015/2016's from their lots).

 

[bobshine]

I agree with all sides of this argument. My 2 cents is that the G1 and G2 Genesis owners are the reason that Hyundai can launch a new premium brand and the G1 and G2 owners should be "grandfathered" into the new website. One of the reasons for the new site will be to tell Genesis owners what a great choice they made. What better way to lock in existing owners than by showing they matter to Hyundai?

I loved my 2011 Genesis 3.8, but wanted some newer tech for safety reasons. I traded it in for a 2016 Sonata Hybrid Limited Untimate. It is not a Genny, but it has a lot of nice features and does not get me any dirty looks from all my Prius driving neighbors. I'm not convinced that Global warming is a real thing, but I feel better driving a Hybrid. Just like I don't believe my house will catch fire, but I have insurance.

I do plan to stick around on this forum, mostly because of several owners forums I've belonged to, this is the best with the nicest group of folks (even when they don't agree).

 

[Mark_888]

G1 and G2 owners should be "grandfathered" into the new website.

There is a lot more to it than a website. There are service issues, warranty issues, parts inventory issues, accounting issues, probably computer system issues, and even legal and regulatory issues dealing with EPA, NHTSA, etc. They are trying to create a completely separate brand, and don't want to complicate things.

Grandfathering Hyundai Genesis owners into Genesis Motors cannot be done with a magic wave of a wand.

 

[markpoisson]

There is a lot more to it than a website. There are service issues, warranty issues, parts inventory issues, accounting issues, probably computer system issues, and even legal and regulatory issues dealing with EPA, NHTSA, etc. They are trying to create a completely separate brand, and don't want to complicate things.

Grandfathering Hyundai Genesis owners into Genesis Motors cannot be done with a magic wave of a wand.

Without a doubt, the website is the proverbial tip of the iceberg to make the brand 'backwards-compatible'. My position is that from a marketing/branding perspective, it makes sense to do so. But you're right, the logistics of doing so may both be cost-prohibitive and also against regulations. Costs aside, tt may simply be that they wanted to but is just isn't an option (VIN will ALWAYS identify the car as Hyundai). Too much is tied to that unique identifier.

 

[cleex024]

I own and run a decent size company and I can tell you one thing that no matter what you do existing customers seem to always have a complaint. I give them something free for buying a certain amount...I dont have to do this as almost no one in the industry does this, but then next time they say oh can I have something else? How about 2? wait 3 free things because I bought this much.

You know who doesnt complain? The new customers as they are actually surprised I actually give something for free...but dont worry eventually they too will start complaining, however, they are still loyal customers and continue to shop here. Its just the nature of humans...greedy =)...but I too am greedy.

I run a rather small operation compared to that of Hyundai and even so most of you will not know what it actually takes to run a business...its not all just laid out simply like a job. Hyundai has to overcome many hurdles and to me seems like they are doing a fine job. They cant make everyone happy, but for some on here to say they should have done this, do that is laughable as none of you (including myself) knows what it takes to make a multi billion dollar company.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you do have to admit that its at least a little funny someone who most likely makes around $100k a year is telling a company (a successful company at that) that is worth billions that they are launching a new brand wrong. Dont get me wrong you might be right and only time will tell, but it does make me laugh a little...and as time passes you might laugh a little too.

But its also funny that I didnt want to open up this thread because who cares about a new website so I have been skipping over this thread, until this morning because it already had 5 pages...so I just wanted to see what it was about.......just to see the same people arguing about the same thing..............aaaaaand I just couldnt help myself to join in on the fun =).

 

[Nikgen]

Another factor... in some cases a change you see in KDM may not YET be tested or certified to meet FMVSS. There may also be a requirement to re-test for IIHS.

There are significant expenses to changes that go beyond just the material cost of the product.

I was referring to the slight changes to the shape of the lower front bumper cover and rear valence (under the bumper - now has a chrome piece) that we see in the 2017 KDM G80. Again, just speculating.

I actually had a co-worker ask me about my car this morning in the parking lot. He is in the market for a new car and went the Hyundai dealer yesterday. He was asking me what the difference is between the Genesis and the G80 as he saw both at the dealer and they didn't really give him a straight answer and talked more about the new brand and the service perks. He asked me if I was aware of any other differences that would justify spending a good amount more on a 2017 G80 versus the numerous 2016 Genesis sedans they had sitting there. He was confused by all of this - My advice was to go with the 2016 and pocket the extra $.

 

[AustinTX]

There may also be a requirement to re-test for IIHS.

There is no requirement for any vehicle manufacturer to meet or even test for IIHS standards. The IIHS is a non profit organization paid for by the car insurers that has a goal of reducing traffic accidents, injuries and fatalities. Meeting IIHS is strictly voluntary though, even though it's obviously desirable for manufacturers to meet or exceed the IIHS standards.

NHTSA requirements need to be met, IIHS is not mandatory.

 

[jsmit86]

I was referring to the slight changes to the shape of the lower front bumper cover and rear valence (under the bumper - now has a chrome piece) that we see in the 2017 KDM G80. Again, just speculating.

I actually had a co-worker ask me about my car this morning in the parking lot. He is in the market for a new car and went the Hyundai dealer yesterday. He was asking me what the difference is between the Genesis and the G80 as he saw both at the dealer and they didn't really give him a straight answer and talked more about the new brand and the service perks. He asked me if I was aware of any other differences that would justify spending a good amount more on a 2017 G80 versus the numerous 2016 Genesis sedans they had sitting there. He was confused by all of this - My advice was to go with the 2016 and pocket the extra $.

Yes - even those slight changes could require re-certification and testing.
I agree that getting a deal on the 2016 may be the best value. We won't know for sure until we see what deals and incentives will be in place on the G80s.

One thing for sure, the 2015 deals were amazing. The 2016 inventory levels seemed to be better controlled, so I'm seeing only about $4K off locally now. That could get deeper as more G80s land, but I'm not seeing the same over supply we had on the 2015s.

 

[cleex024]

Yes - even those slight changes could require re-certification and testing.
I agree that getting a deal on the 2016 may be the best value. We won't know for sure until we see what deals and incentives will be in place on the G80s.

One thing for sure, the 2015 deals were amazing. The 2016 inventory levels seemed to be better controlled, so I'm seeing only about $4K off locally now. That could get deeper as more G80s land, but I'm not seeing the same over supply we had on the 2015s.

There are some great lease deals on the 2016s...I think you can lease an ultimate for $400 per month. I might have gone this route had I known about it.

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[Nikgen]

Yes - even those slight changes could require re-certification and testing.

Could be - but I highly doubt there is any difference as the overall design and contact surfaces for bumper impact are unchanged - the changes are cosmetic to the lower fascia. Not sure how long it takes to do this testing either.

 

[allan]

I can't believe how many posts there are in a thread about being unable to join a website. Honestly, who cares? If they don't want us to join I for one am happy to comply. It's a WEBSITE for crying out loud.

 

[Mark_888]

Could be - but I highly doubt there is any difference as the overall design and contact surfaces for bumper impact are unchanged - the changes are cosmetic to the lower fascia. Not sure how long it takes to do this testing either.

Government officials just don't take someone's word for it, that there are no difference that matter.

Also, no one has adequately explained why the lighting is different on USA models to begin with, and whether it has to do with regulatory requirements.

 

[markpoisson]

I can't believe how many posts there are in a thread about being unable to join a website. Honestly, who cares? If they don't want us to join I for one am happy to comply. It's a WEBSITE for crying out loud.

So, after reading all these posts, that's your conclusion about what is being discussed in this thread?

As for the comment about "people respect you because of the car you are driving and think you can afford", that's certainly one perspective. I never linked the car I drive with getting respect; for that matter, I couldn't care less what people think of my car or the image it projects.

 

[Nikgen]

Government officials just don't take someone's word for it, that there are no difference that matter.

They sort of do - to a limited extent... for example, I deal with FDA all the time and, in many cases, you can avoid conducting otherwise required testing providing you can provide sufficient technical justification (that they obviously must agree with/accept).

Also, no one has adequately explained why the lighting is different on USA models to begin with, and whether it has to do with regulatory requirements.

Not sure - I would assume it is regulatory related, but they have a 2017 version with the updated bumper and USA style HID lighting as well.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

As for the comment about "people respect you because of the car you are driving and think you can afford", that's certainly one perspective. I never linked the car I drive with getting respect; for that matter, I couldn't care less what people think of my car or the image it projects.

That post was removed because it was ridiculous nasty and unnecessary...

 

[markpoisson]

That post was removed because it was ridiculous nasty and unnecessary...

Agreed

 

[TEF]

Hyundai's exclusionary policy with respect to previous Genesis owners seems a bad marketing decision. After all, why stiff previous buyers and your base? Isn't that where many of new "G" series buyers will come from? I just read that Genesis sedans suffer a 38% depreciation rate in the first year (the highest for any US sold car), so wouldn't that be another reason to treat existing buyers nicely? Not sure where they're going with this snobby Genesis theme, but the majority of buyers willing to pay $50K (and more) for a new car will likely know the nexus of Hyundai and Genesis, so why not foster some good will and be more inclusive of previous buyers?

 

[AustinTX]

Hyundai's exclusionary policy with respect to previous Genesis owners seems a bad marketing decision. After all, why stiff previous buyers and your base? Isn't that where many of new "G" series buyers will come from? I just read that Genesis sedans suffer a 38% depreciation rate in the first year (the highest for any US sold car), so wouldn't that be another reason to treat existing buyers nicely? Not sure where they're going with this snobby Genesis theme, but the majority of buyers willing to pay $50K (and more) for a new car will likely know the nexus of Hyundai and Genesis, so why not foster some good will and be more inclusive of previous buyers?

There are two threads on this forum that will inform you in detail why you are cheap, that you want stuff given to you that you didn't pay for, you never purchased a Genesis and that you are wrong to think what you just wrote.

I happen to agree with your point 100%, but that is not a popular opinion to support on this forum - expect to be derided and attacked for making this statement. I have severely reduced my involvement in the forum based on the postings of some very vocal members of this forum who feel the need to drown out people who disagree with their opinion.

 

[cleex024]

There are two threads on this forum that will inform you in detail why you are cheap, that you want stuff given to you that you didn't pay for, you never purchased a Genesis and that you are wrong to think what you just wrote.

I happen to agree with your point 100%, but that is not a popular opinion to support on this forum - expect to be derided and attacked for making this statement. I have severely reduced my involvement in the forum based on the postings of some very vocal members of this forum who feel the need to drown out people who disagree with their opinion.

not sure if you feel that I am one of those people that is telling you are wrong, but I do believe that we should get some of the same treatment that Genesis g80 owners will get. However to me it is not important whether or not I get to sign up on a website dedicated to Genesis owners even though I do believe we should be included.

Also it would be nice to be included in all the car loaning and pickup services that the genesis owners will get, but how do you know that we will not be? From what my service advisers told me we will be included and that once they have genesis g80s as loaners they will give me one when I have extended issues. So all I was saying was lets wait and actually see what happens to us as nothing has happened yet except we cant sign up on the genesis website.

And as far as the depreciation...how much did you guys actually pay for your car? Did you actually pay the $53k for an ultimate? I would think that most people on the forums are pretty internet savvy and highly doubt anyone paid anywhere close to msrp. So your true depreciation is no where close to that...and I think the people that actually paid close to msrp arent complaining too much since they most likely arent signing up on the website.

I think that is one of the only things where we actually are not included as a Genesis owners and maybe the actual name since they cant just simply change the names of our cars. Plus there has to be a cut off somewhere right? what about the first gen owners? they dont get any rights either since they were the first buyers into the brand right?

All im saying is I dont think they have just pushed us aside...but I could be wrong...lets just wait and see before everyone comes out guns blazing. Like I said the service adviser at my local hyundai dealership told me I was going to get the same treatment as the g80 owners.