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New Lexus GS the sincerest form of flattery?

Likely the new benchmark interior interface. I almost want one!

With that being said. This car is kinda the middle child of the midsize luxury sedans. It's not the fastest,cheapest,best looking,sportiest or most compelling package. All 3 germans look better than this car and have more brand cache. Sure the Lexus may be more reliable, but people in this segment care less about that then in lower segments. Lexus use to be about value, but that's no longer part of the equation.
 
Let's not raise a stink about intellectual property, since many elements of the Genesis were blatantly stolen from BMW and MB. That doesn't even count the Aisin transmission used on the 2009-2011 V6 (Aisin is about 50% owned by Toyota and was originally started to build RWD automatic transmissions for Lexus).

Yeah, the Genesis is a nice blend of BMW/Benz/Infiniti/Lexus.

The GS has had a curved c-pillar since 1993 in each of its four generations.

Amazingly it seems to be sportiest in class as it kept the weight down and Lexus is really focussing on an improved driving experience. It also has the most technology and maybe the best interior. It needs a V-8 option and that new front end isn't for everyone.
 
I like the steering wheel. That's about it. The new snout is horid, IMO, and the tail is not up to the beauty of the snazzy tail of the '12 Genesis. Urk, with the dash.

Also, this trend to doing more stuff in the Nav window is going to put more folks into ditches and crashing other vehicles than you can imagine.
 
I actually love the new front fascia design of Lexus vehicles. While the interior of the new GS feels very expensive, I've never been fond of BMW's interior designs. The "new" 5-Series and especially 7-Series are quite luxurious, however. Anyway, I think Lexus went a little too "BMW" with the GS's interior. I also do NOT like the rear end. Not a big fan there. Something just doesn't look right about it to me.

When all is said and done, I think it's a poor performer. Like the Acura TL, Cadillac CTS (I don't want a V-Series) and now Lexus GS - it doesn't have enough power for me. So it's pretty much permanently off my list until that changes. They should not have canceled the V8 model. I'd honestly take a Genesis R-Spec without hesitation over a new GS - and I'm currently a Lexus owner. I can only imagine how much nicer the second generation Genesis sedan is going to be. And considering it'll probably be released under the "Genesis" sub brand (still sold in Hyundai dealerships), I have a feeling it's going to eat up a LOT of Hyundai's sales.

To note, the next Cadillac CTS is getting a twin turbo V6 with over 400 horsepower. THAT's what I like. I don't need the 556 horsepower CTS-V. But the 300 horsepower 3.6 currently available (0-60 in reality - 6.1 or so) is not enough.

Anyway. I have a strong feeling Hyundai is going to start stealing a LOT of sales from Lexus, Infiniti and Acura with it's second generation of luxury cars. They're picking up an impressive amount of momentum selling these vehicles with the Hyundai badge.

Very good points, but one important thing to remember: the guy who designed the Genesis is no longer with Hyundai. Subjectively speaking of course, the Genesis and the pre-2013 Genesis Coupes are in my opinion the best looking cars Hyundai has ever done. If the next gen Genesis looks anything like the Azera, they can keep it.
 
The inside of the GS may be nice, but take the "L" badge off and you couldn't tell if this was an Accord or Camry on the outside. In fact, the new Accords have more chrome, and even Buicks have a nicer tail end.
 
The turn signals on the Genesis side view mirrors were identical to the Mercedes when introduced on the 2009 Genesis. The 2012 tail lights (with turn signals and backup light in the middle of the cluster) were taken right off the recently updated Mercedes E Class (and copied by a lot of other automakers also).

A lot of automakers do that nowadays; I consider that more of a feature addition than a design element.

Personally, I don't have any problems with borrowing design or technology from other automakers. In fact, it makes sense to me to take the best from other cars. The idea that cars should be "distinctive" is mainly favored by professional automotive reviewers, and not the general public. The desire for a distinctive appearance nearly put Acura out of business.

I wouldn't consider the use of an Aisin transmission to fall within the parameters of the discussion either.

BMW used a GM -sourced transmission and GM has used an Aisin transmission as well.

Many automakers source components or parts from each other which has nothing to do w/ design; these days, a no. of Japanese automakers are sourcing parts from Hyundai Mobis.


These same professional automotive reviewers prefer cars that ride like a stage coach, mainly because they are usually bored and want something to wake them up, but such overly firm suspensions are usually not well received by the public (unless they are adjustable).

I don't know how many times I have to state this, but one of the most frequent criticisms these days in auto reviews is a harsh ride.

For instance, the Infiniti M56 Sport has been roundly criticized for its ride, w/ reviewers preferring the non-Sport model (which they still don't exactly applaud for its ride).

The 1st gen X3 was even more roundly criticized.

Auto reviews regularly bring up how cars handle the pot-hole stricken roads around Detroit or the undulating freeways of LA.

And if they did "prefer cars that ride like a stage coach" - then we wouldn't be having the criticisms that some have found about the ride of the R-Spec compared to the non-R-Spec Genesis - right?


I actually love the new front fascia design of Lexus vehicles. While the interior of the new GS feels very expensive, I've never been fond of BMW's interior designs. The "new" 5-Series and especially 7-Series are quite luxurious, however. Anyway, I think Lexus went a little too "BMW" with the GS's interior. I also do NOT like the rear end. Not a big fan there. Something just doesn't look right about it to me.

The "Predator" face is about as appealing as the Acura "beak" to me.

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And while Toyota upgraded the interior of the GS so that it up to par (aside from maybe the cheap feeling switchgear on the center stack), the design is just too "blocky" (basically a wall) - making the top of the dash too high and prominent and w/o any design shape.

Now having said that, I have never been fond of the center stack design on the Genesis (or the silver plastic switchgear).


Anyway. I have a strong feeling Hyundai is going to start stealing a LOT of sales from Lexus, Infiniti and Acura with it's second generation of luxury cars. They're picking up an impressive amount of momentum selling these vehicles with the Hyundai badge.

I think Hyundai has already started to do that and will do even more so w/ the next gen model as it gets more luxurious, gets AWD and more buyers get used to the idea of luxury sedans from Hyundai.

Not launching a separate brand/dealer network has enabled Hyundai to offer the Genesis at a pricepoint (altho it will likely rise a good bit w/ the next gen model) that the RWD Japanese can't match.

This is a big reason why the Genesis has the highest V8 take rate and why Toyota abandoned the V8 for the GS.


With that being said. This car is kinda the middle child of the midsize luxury sedans. It's not the fastest,cheapest,best looking,sportiest or most compelling package. All 3 germans look better than this car and have more brand cache. Sure the Lexus may be more reliable, but people in this segment care less about that then in lower segments. Lexus use to be about value, but that's no longer part of the equation.

Comparably equipped, the GS (as well as the M) is still about $10k less than the RWD Germans, but for many buyers in this segment, that's not enough to bypass Mercedes or BMW.

And since the typical Lexus buyer doesn't care much about RWD, performance or handling, they just opted for the much cheaper ES (more interior room at a significant discount).

Very good points, but one important thing to remember: the guy who designed the Genesis is no longer with Hyundai. Subjectively speaking of course, the Genesis and the pre-2013 Genesis Coupes are in my opinion the best looking cars Hyundai has ever done. If the next gen Genesis looks anything like the Azera, they can keep it.

Hyundai used an outside design house to pen the Genesis, except the CEO of Hyundai wasn't happy with the front fascia, so even tho the tooling had already been done, they tossed the original front fascia and went w/ the look that we saw in 2008.
 
Got a chance to sit in one of these last night while at Toronto Autoshow and to be honest I am not impressed. While 2013 GS model looks much better interior -wise whe compared to its predecessor the exterior, especially the front end is a step back. The "VW Jetta" like tail lights don't do any good to the backend either.
To each its own ;)
 
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Hyundai used an outside design house to pen the Genesis, except the CEO of Hyundai wasn't happy with the front fascia, so even tho the tooling had already been done, they tossed the original front fascia and went w/ the look that we saw in 2008.

Check your sources:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/21/ex-hyundai-and-benz-stylist-piaskowski-joins-ford-as-head-of-ext/

Update: His Linked In profile says that he designed the Genesis Coupe, not necessarily the Genesis Sedan. I humbly stand corrected...
 
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I will say only this: we who criticize "elitists" take care, lest we become sectarian ourselves.
 
Lest we not forget, the concept of one wheel at each corner was borrowed from Henry Ford! :D



Actually the first car was a Mercedes too. So I guess everything is derived from Mercedes. Now, I do see a good bit of KIA Optima in the rear of the new GS and actually mistook one for a KIA on the road.
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I guess I'm in the minority but I like the new GS's styling, inside and out. It's sharp and distinctive. I hated the previous GS's look. It's certainly pricey compared to the Genny but I'd guess most buyers still don't think of Hyundai in this segment yet. So it probably still looks attractively priced compared to Audi/BMW/M-B.

I'm going to hang on to my Genny for a few more years, but when the time comes to buy again I'll look hard at the GS.
 
My my, how things change. V8 Sedans now push 400hp, not 300. Still one of the more memorable 1998 commercials though... Edit: Some of the UTube comments are, shall we say, uninformed. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA6HUySkFss"]Lexus GS400 commercial.[/ame]
 
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