New owner rant - why couldn't we take our new car on a road trip last weekend?!?

[Looney100]

You may be forgetting the gasoline shortages in the 1970s. I remember long waits in line.
Also, I guess you haven't been in Florida long enough to experience a hurricane and the gas lines for several days after (and you are only allowed a few gallons at a time)?

I think the difference here is that problems getting gas when one needs it is the exception - at least in the developed world.
Unfortunately, charging issues for EVs are the norm at the moment. I’ve had more charging disappointments in the last six months than fuelling issues in decades of driving.

 

[EdP]

You may be forgetting the gasoline shortages in the 1970s. I remember long waits in line.
Also, I guess you haven't been in Florida long enough to experience a hurricane and the gas lines for several days after (and you are only allowed a few gallons at a time)?

Read what I wrote. Long lines at pumps goes back sporadically 50 years or so. But they are not lined up to use just one pump while others sit unused like the Tesla chargers. There were about 20 chargers sitting idle. Why?

 

[EdP]

The other green one at that same location says DC fast charge at 62.5kW but anywho... point is EA isn't your only option. As for Tesla, no doubt their charging network is a big reason to buy one. Plus I like Elon and want to support him and what he's doing at Twitter. It's about time someone told us the truth about what really happened.

He is a trend setter. I worked for 53 years and never had to bring my own toilet paper to work. I wonder if other industry will follow the cost saving idea.

 

[Zcd1]

So you showed a line of cars for gas but you did not show them all lined up for one pump and the others vacant like the Tesla charger. Big difference.

Further evidence that you're trolling...

Get back to us once you've personally experienced refueling a gas vehicle, a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV so that your comments/opinions will carry some weight.

 

[joegr]

Read what I wrote. Long lines at pumps goes back sporadically 50 years or so. But they are not lined up to use just one pump while others sit unused like the Tesla chargers. There were about 20 chargers sitting idle. Why?

I've seen cars lined up for one pump while others are unused, because the others were out of order. If I understand the pictures correctly, there was one of four chargers in-use and the other three were broken. I think that the picture on the long line of Tesla chargers was another location (possibly near by, but not what those cars were lined up for).

 

[EdP]

Further evidence that you're trolling...

Get back to us once you've personally experienced refueling a gas vehicle, a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV so that your comments/opinions will carry some weight.

Show some facts and your opinion will have some wright.

 

[Crito]

He is a trend setter. I worked for 53 years and never had to bring my own toilet paper to work. I wonder if other industry will follow the cost saving idea.

Only the smart ones like Elon. Cutting expenses is what you have to do when the economy and demand slows down. Intel is doing the same thing, for example, despite all the free government money from the CHIPS act.

Anywho, since we're completely off topic now, the real reason I'm thinking of buying a Tesla is their driving-style-based insurance here in Texas. I was a AAA member for over 35 years with zero accidents during that time and first chance they got to raise my rates because of credit score they did. I'm no longer a AAA member.

 

[Zcd1]

Show some facts and your opinion will have some wright.

The irony!!!

 

[Zcd1]

Show some facts and your opinion will have some wright.

Facts:

1: You have never owned an EV (by your own admission)
2: You have never attempted to charge an EV anywhere (because why would you have?)
3: You don't appear to understand anything about EVs or the ownership or charging experience of any EV brand, Genesis or any other.
4: Despite these facts, you offered unsolicited, baseless and uneducated comments on EVs and the ownership experience.

And now an opinion: The aforementioned is hilarious, ironic and sad, all at the same time.

Wait, wait: Let me go visit the G80 forum and tell you about what it's like to own or live with a G80, even though I've never owned or driven one.........................................

On second though, nah - that would be stupid and pointless.

 

[Jfyfe91]

I think again big difference to European market. For example, tesla have started opening their chargers up to non teslas here in the UK. They charge slightly more (I.e. teslas get 47p/kw, non teslas get 67p/kw) so definitely a profit to be made. I think the BIG difference in to why that's happening here and not the US. Is Teslas here in UK now come with CCS connections so the chargers are the same as roughly 93% of new Evs that are sold. I personally think the key to a stable charge infrastructure network is having a universal charge connector. Europe is almost there tbh. I also believe Australia has also added this same regulation about new evs all having to have CCS /type 2 connector. Same as alot of Asia. It makes sense.

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[Jfyfe91]

Just to prove my point. Here is a Tesla Supercharger open to all Evs.
CCS charge connectors. Same as the GV60.

 

[Zcd1]

I think again big difference to European market. For example, tesla have started opening their chargers up to non teslas here in the UK. They charge slightly more (I.e. teslas get 47p/kw, non teslas get 67p/kw) so definitely a profit to be made. I think the BIG difference in to why that's happening here and not the US. Is Teslas here in UK now come with CCS connections so the chargers are the same as roughly 93% of new Evs that are sold. I personally think the key to a stable charge infrastructure network is having a universal charge connector. Europe is almost there tbh. I also believe Australia has also added this same regulation about new evs all having to have CCS /type 2 connector. Same as alot of Asia. It makes sense.

Indeed.

The revised US market Tesla Model S and X now have space for the CCS port under the charge port cover, though the port itself is still Tesla’s for now.

 

[EdP]

Facts:

1: You have never owned an EV (by your own admission)
2: You have never attempted to charge an EV anywhere (because why would you have?)
3: You don't appear to understand anything about EVs or the ownership or charging experience of any EV brand, Genesis or any other.
4: Despite these facts, you offered unsolicited, baseless and uneducated comments on EVs and the ownership experience.

And now an opinion: The aforementioned is hilarious, ironic and sad, all at the same time.

Wait, wait: Let me go visit the G80 forum and tell you about what it's like to own or live with a G80, even though I've never owned or driven one.........................................

On second though, nah - that would be stupid and pointless.

Oh, that is so cute you took the time to put that together.
The nice thing about forums is you can learn and discuss and make plans for your next purchase. Most, but not all, participants welcome other voices.

I also know that broad comments with no know facts behind them are meaningless. It was mentioned that Tesla did offer the ability of other cars to use their chargers was made but declined. That may be true, but we don't know why it was declined. Was it made at no cost? Was it made if the other car makers paid $1000 to use their connector configuration?

If you want to learn more about the G80. come on over, we'd be happy to have you.

Meantime, I'm flattered that you took the time to give me so much attention. Thanks again.

 

[cturkoanje]

Oh, that is so cute you took the time to put that together.
The nice thing about forums is you can learn and discuss and make plans for your next purchase. Most, but not all, participants welcome other voices.

I also know that broad comments with no know facts behind them are meaningless. It was mentioned that Tesla did offer the ability of other cars to use their chargers was made but declined. That may be true, but we don't know why it was declined. Was it made at no cost? Was it made if the other car makers paid $1000 to use their connector configuration?

If you want to learn more about the G80. come on over, we'd be happy to have you.

Meantime, I'm flattered that you took the time to give me so much attention. Thanks again.

Honestly you have to be a troll at this point or just lack common sense and critical thinking. Your comments are honestly baffling and stupid.

 

[steveinarizona]

Ignoring the OP for the moment, driving long range in a BEV can still be an adventure. That is why the new federal act focused on highway charging stations.

I think it depends on what you are expecting, your options and the options you were exploring when you got your GV60. I was on a waiting list for a Lucid Air RWD Pure. For similar functionality (with a much bigger range) it would have cost me at least another $25K and for losing that range and much better handling, I got much better seating (I am waiting for a hip replacement and getting in and out of the Lucid is an adventure but is relatively easy on the GV60), Nappa leather upholstery, HUD, etc.

Ultimately, I gave up on the Lucid because they didn't even publish the specs on the model I had reserved a year and a half ago. I was willing to wait for the car but not to find out whether I still wanted the car.

In the meantime, with the $25K I saved, I can rent a car for the long trips until the charging station setup is improved.

 

[Zcd1]

Having been an EV driver for more than 4 years, and frequenting many different EV forums, I knew the downsides of buying a non-Tesla EV when it comes to road-tripping. The example I cited in the OP is probably more extreme than many will experience, but is still a bit surprising and frustrating.

The Interstate (I-10) between CA and AZ is very heavily traveled, so it seemed reasonable to expect that the amount of daily traffic would influence the number of chargers in each location. But that's clearly not the case with EA. For example, the EA charger in Indio has 4 stalls, but there are other stations close by (Cabazon outlets, 40 miles away) with even more.

The EA location in Blythe also has only 4 stalls, despite the fact that the closest locations east and west of it are more than 100 miles distant, meaning that virtually EVERY non-Tesla EV that travels that stretch of road will have to stop in Blythe. It's just incredibly poor planning, and it's what leads to long lines to charge at that spot. Add to that the fact that at least 1 of the chargers seems to be broken at all times and it's a real mess.