New TSB for KEYS

[BaywayRic]

New TSB September 12, 2008

08-BE-008 GENESIS - 1 - KEY CUTTING PROCEDURE AND 2 - SMART KEY PROGRAMMING

Interesting read! Note some of the other functions that are visible with their diagnostic PC, on page 6. What's with "Flight Record"

 

[musher51]

What's with "Flight Record"

Good question...perhaps it's a clever disguise for the program that records speed, braking, etc. (you know, the growing controversy over what data is legit to record, who "owns" it, can cops or insurance companies use that info against the owner in the event of an accident, etc.).

 

[BaywayRic]

Good question...perhaps it's a clever disguise for the program that records speed, braking, etc. (you know, the growing controversy over what data is legit to record, who "owns" it, can cops or insurance companies use that info against the owner in the event of an accident, etc.).

My thoughts, exactly. I did read early on that all of that data is captured by the car, and I think they said only a court order can get it out of the dealer. Nice name to "hide" it under.

I'll be taxiing out for takeoff in a few minutes.

 

[musher51]

The more I think about it, the more my curiosity is piqued. I'm bringing my car into my brother-in-law's dealership on Monday for some miscellaneous stuff...I'll see what I can pry out of the service manager on the purpose of the "Flight Record". Flaps up, man!

 

[BaywayRic]

The more I think about it, the more my curiosity is piqued. I'm bringing my car into my brother-in-law's dealership on Monday for some miscellaneous stuff...I'll see what I can pry out of the service manager on the purpose of the "Flight Record". Flaps up, man!

What would be very cool is if you can get them to "dump" that data for you. After all, it's yours! Then post it here [by category not values]. Would be nice to know, 'officially' what they capture, and how much. Is there history in there, or just 'moment of impact' kind of stuff?

 

[Jerrad]

I bet that is what the 40gig HD is used for. Lots of room for Flight data.

 

[musher51]

Good suggestion...I'll give it a try.

Based on what I've read about this technology, there's usually a finite amount of data captured on a rolling loop...~15 minutes or so. Then again, that was probably due to the limited storage capacity of inexpensive solid-state chips that manufacturers employed initially. With a 40 GB hard drive sitting in each Genesis -- inaccessible to operators -- there's probably room to store HOURS worth of data!

Stay tuned...

 

[Richard Ft. Lauderdale]

black box

My 2005 Chrysler 300 specifically mentioned in the owner's manual that there was a black box. I believe I have read the entire manual for the Genesis and did not see anything about a black box. You can be sure if there is one that it wiil be subpoenaed if you are in a major accident.

 

[BaywayRic]

Good suggestion...I'll give it a try.

Based on what I've read about this technology, there's usually a finite amount of data captured on a rolling loop...~15 minutes or so. Then again, that was probably due to the limited storage capacity of inexpensive solid-state chips that manufacturers employed initially. With a 40 GB hard drive sitting in each Genesis -- inaccessible to operators -- there's probably room to store HOURS worth of data!

Stay tuned...

I would think, in addition to the "loop", this tracks hi/low/avg. Like tire pressure from the TPMS system, MAX speed, etc. Heck, since everything is electronic, it could 'count' just about anything they wanted.

"...the jury will note that the operator has run this vehicle at 127MPH, at least once since it was new." UGH

 

[Jerrad]

"...the jury will note that the operator has run this vehicle at 127MPH, at least once since it was new." UGH

Now that is scarry and would make me think twice about buying a car that did that.

Although I would justify my action by stating I was on a Dyno-meter verifying the Horse Power and top speed of the vehicle

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[Simonwpb]

I would think that manufacturers capture vehicle data for defensive as well as diagnostic purposes. If there is a failure this helps determine under what conditions and perhaps why. In our litigious society mechanical failures get blamed for accidents instead of operator error all the time.

 

[BaywayRic]

The User Guide position on Event Data Recoders:

 

[musher51]

The User Guide position on Event Data Recoders:

Ric -- nothing came through on your last post about the event data recorders, FWIW. Getting back to our exchange from last week, I asked the service manager and their one Genesis-certified mechanic (who was sent to Chicago for Genesis training) about the so-called Flight Information, and it didn't ring a bell for either of them. However, they agreed to look into it and let me know what they find, so stay tuned.

BTW, I finally got the chrome strips, rear wings and LED light kit installed (just the license plate one...the trunk kit is still on order from KAI). As I expected, the chrome strips REALLY stand out on a black car. There were 5 - 6 salesmen and several customers surrounding my car when I came in to pick it up. I can't say I blame 'em...when it's sparkling clean, this is one sharp looking car!

That said, I think I'll stand pat on mods for now (other than snow tires, winter wheels and Weather Tech floormats, when available). If I throw much more money at this thing, the cost delta between it and it's Japanese and German competitors will shrink to the point where I can't razz my BMW- and Lexus-owning friends at work any more! I'll post some pictures as soon as it stops raining.

 

[BaywayRic]

BTW, I finally got the chrome strips, rear wings and LED light kit installed (just the license plate one...the trunk kit is still on order from KAI).

Did you install the lights, or the shop?

 

[musher51]

The shop did (I get the employee discount due to a family relationship, so I had them put on the rear badge, chrome strips and LEDs at a very reasonable price). The LEDs above the rear plate certainly brighten everything up back there, but the cynical part of me can't help but think "great, now even near-sighted cops will have no trouble reading my license number!". Frankly, the LEDs for the trunk will have much more utility to me personally, but what the heck...

 

[gipp]

Pictures please...

 

[al92780]

My thoughts, exactly. I did read early on that all of that data is captured by the car, and I think they said only a court order can get it out of the dealer. Nice name to "hide" it under.

I'll be taxiing out for takeoff in a few minutes.

Can the car owner get the data to disbute a speeding ticket?

 

[BaywayRic]

Can the car owner get the data to disbute a speeding ticket?

No one has yet reported back on exactly what data is captured. An EDR [event data recorder] operates somewhat like the black boxes in airplanes. i.e. it's not a continuous record. According to the manual this data is available only through a dealer, at owner request. So, an inquiring mind could go to the dealer and ask them to print out whatever is stored. Since they have never done it, I'll bet it will take over an hour at standard shop rates. My guess is, things like speed are only captured during an event. [e.g. air bag deploy]. Things like ESC engagement might be 'counted', but not date stamped.

 

[cviz]

Here's what the Owners Manual states:

VEHICLE DATA COLLECTION AND EVENT DATA RECORDERS

A040000AEN
Your Hyundai vehicle is equipped with many high technology, electronically controlled systems that help to ensure your vehicle operates properly and rovides the performance that you expect. These systems utilize computers to monitor the operation of various systems and components and help to control their operation. These computerized system operations are wide-ranging and involve components to reduce emissions, to continuously evaluate the readiness of the air bag and seat belt pre-tensioner systems, to determine when the air bag and seat belt pre-tensioner systems should be deployed and then to activate the deployment, and if equipped, to operate anti-lock braking, traction control and electronic stability control to assist the driver to control the vehicle in difficult driving situations.

These systems electronically store information that is useful to service technicians when they need to diagnose and repair these systems. Additional information is stored only when a crash occurs that results in the deployment of the air bags or seat belt pre-tensioners. This type of data storage is done by devices called event data recorders (EDR).

After a crash event, the air bag and seat belt pre-tensioner computer system,
known as the Supplemental Restraint System Control Module (SRSCM) or Air bag Control Unit (ACU), may record some information about the condition of the vehicle and how it was being operated. This information consists of data related to seat belt usage and if there was diagnostic information in the air bag or seat belt systems at the time that a crash occurred, and if the ACU sensed that a crash of sufficient severity occurred to require seat belt pre-tensioner or air bag deployment.

To retrieve this information, special equipment is needed and access to the vehicle or the device that stores the data is required. Hyundai will not access information about a crash event or share it with others except:

• in response to an official request of police or similar government office,
or
• with the consent of the vehicle owner or, if the vehicle is leased, with the consent of the lessee,
or
• as part of Hyundai’s defense of litigation,
or
• as required by law.

 

[BaywayRic]

Here's what the Owners Manual states:

That's why it's in Post #13.