Non R-Spec 5.0 (2012) on Hyundaiusa.com

[jmo51]

Several professional automotive journalists who initially reviewed the R-Spec said the suspension was "unnecessarily harsh" and other similar comments. These comments were documented in links provided elsewhere in this forum. Obviously, this only occurs on rough roads (I know, because the 2009 4.8 and 4.6 Genesis is even harsher than the 2012 R-Spec), and would not be noticed on relatively smooth roads.

So if I said "unnecessarily harsh" would that make you feel any better? I doubt it, because as one R-Spec owner admitted, he is an R-Spec owner and therefore biased.

Mark,

Are you basing your opinion on magazine reviews, (automotive journalists), or your own seat of the pants experience? As I've mentioned, I suspect that most R-Spec owners like the vehicle's ride and handling,. I know I do.

BTW, I agree that "back breaking" was an exaggeration.

 

[Mark_888]

Mark,

Are you basing your opinion on magazine reviews, (automotive journalists), or your own seat of the pants experience? As I've mentioned, I suspect that most R-Spec owners like the vehicle's ride and handling,. I know I do.

BTW, I agree that "back breaking" was an exaggeration.

I am repeating what several automotive press reviewers said. These are not the amateurs you frequently see posting video reviews on YouTube. I have not driven the R-Spec, but did drive the 2012 4.6, which I think is firm enough for most people, and will cut into R-Spec sales when the 5.0 is available.

Regarding the "exaggeration", everything posted in this forum is an exaggeration. I think some people should just chill-out, take some doggy-downers, and develop a little more self-confidence in their own choices without feeling threatened by other opinions. Some people are acting like I have insulted their mother, instead of making some comments about a hunk of steel, aluminum, plastic, leather, etc.

 

[jmo51]

I am repeating what several automotive press reviewers said. These are not the amateurs you frequently see posting video reviews on YouTube. I have not driven the R-Spec, but did drive the 2012 4.6, which I think is firm enough for most people, and will cut into R-Spec sales when the 5.0 is available.

Regarding the "exaggeration", everything posted in this forum is an exaggeration. I think some people should just chill-out, take some doggy-downers, and develop a little more self-confidence in their own choices without feeling threatened by other opinions. Some people are acting like I have insulted their mother, instead of making some comments about a hunk of steel, aluminum, plastic, leather, etc.

"just chill-out, take some doggy-downers, and develop a little more self-confidence"

That right there is some funny stuff

 

[YEH]

Several professional automotive journalists who initially reviewed the R-Spec said the suspension was "unnecessarily harsh" and other similar comments.

But not all and these days, certain professional automotive journalists have complained about the ride of rather mundane family sedans over rough roads - so we have to take things into context.

The R-Spec is certainly no worse than the Infiniti M w/ the sport suspension and is not like the 1st gen BMW X3 which was universally panned.

Basically, people coming from sportier cars will have a diff. take than people coming from something more soft and floaty (like the Avalon).

I am repeating what several automotive press reviewers said. These are not the amateurs you frequently see posting video reviews on YouTube. I have not driven the R-Spec, but did drive the 2012 4.6, which I think is firm enough for most people, and will cut into R-Spec sales when the 5.0 is available.

Didn't you characterize professional automotive journalists as being essentially "underpaid hacks" not so long ago? (Granted, they may be underpaid, but it's a bit amusing to find you relying on them now when previously, you had dismissed them).

 

[Mark_888]

But not all and these days, certain professional automotive journalists have complained about the ride of rather mundane family sedans over rough roads - so we have to take things into context.

The R-Spec is certainly no worse than the Infiniti M w/ the sport suspension and is not like the 1st gen BMW X3 which was universally panned.

Basically, people coming from sportier cars will have a diff. take than people coming from something more soft and floaty (like the Avalon).

Forget about the Avalon, it is not relevant. The 2012 Genesis 3.8 and 4.6 models do not have soft suspensions like the Avalon and others.

The Car and Driver video review of the 2009 Genesis (conducted by then Editor in Chief Csaba Csere and video posted at least three times on this forum) stated that the 2009 Genesis was not as firm as the BMW or Infiniti M, but the Genesis suspension was out of control on rough roads.

Didn't you characterize professional automotive journalists as being essentially "underpaid hacks" not so long ago? (Granted, they may be underpaid, but it's a bit amusing to find you relying on them now when previously, you had dismissed them).

Not all of them are hacks, but they all like to drive cars with very firm suspensions, because otherwise their jobs would be very boring. But they don't have to drive these cars every day, and on rough roads, only during their test drives, which often are on smooth test tracks. So when several of them (from respected publications, not just freebee YouTube videos) mentioned that the 2012 Genesis 3.8 and 4.6 had pretty good handling and suspension, but the “R-Spec was unnecessarily harsh,” that deserves some notice given their bias to very firm suspensions to begin with.

I think it is about time you revealed your exact relationship with Hyundai. You have posted on this forum for 3 years and don't own a Genesis, and have defended every single Hyundai misstep, and even denied that there were any changes made to 2010 suspension, even though we know that is a fact.

 

[YEH]

Forget about the Avalon, it is not relevant. The 2012 Genesis 3.8 and 4.6 models do not have soft suspensions like the Avalon and others.

It is relevant - some Genesis buyers come the Avalon while others come from sports coupes or sporty sedans while others come from typical family sedans.

Not all of them are hacks, but they all like to drive cars with very firm suspensions, because otherwise their jobs would be very boring.

And who's to determine which auto writer/reviewer is a "hack"?

And actually, these days, the most common complaint among auto writers w/ regard to ride are about overly firm suspensions over rough rides (particularly, the writers based out of and around Detroit and LA).

Heck, even the new Camry got dinged for having a ride that was no longer supple over bad pavement for a little improvement regarding body roll, etc.

But they don't have to drive these cars every day, and on rough roads, only during their test drives, which often are on smooth test tracks. So when several of them (from respected publications, not just freebee YouTube videos) mentioned that the 2012 Genesis 3.8 and 4.6 had pretty good handling and suspension, but the “R-Spec was unnecessarily harsh,” that deserves some notice given their bias to very firm suspensions to begin with.

And there are other reviewers who have driven the R-Spec on local roads and while the R-Spec may not have the best ride out of the mid-size luxury sedans, they didn't have the same opinion of it being "unnecessarily harsh."

(It's quite ironic that you, of all people, would take what some reviewers have stated to heart, where you have adopted the position and regurgitate it every chance you get when you so easily dismissed auto reviewers earlier.)

Also, it wasn't me who denied anything about the suspension change (for both 2010 and the last part of the 2009 MY) - you're memory must be fuzzy.

I think it is about time you revealed your exact relationship with Hyundai. You have posted on this forum for 3 years and don't own a Genesis, and have defended every single Hyundai misstep, and even denied that there were any changes made to 2010 suspension, even though we know that is a fact.

Sorry, to disappoint you but I have no connection to Hyundai whatsoever and I certainly have not defended Hyundai on "every single misstep."

I have largely stayed out of the suspension talk of pre-2010 models b/c there seemed to be enough issues w/ it by both auto reviewers and owners.

Otoh, there really haven't been owners of the R-Spec who have come to post complaints about the suspension like 2009 owners - so that, in itself, should have curbed your repeated assertions (there's a big diff. btwn a suspension that isn't calibrated properly and a suspension that's maybe overly tight and w/ some tires that heighten the issue).

And I most certainly have not been w/o my criticisms of the Genesis and Equus (namely, the outdated designs of the dash/centerstacks and the subpar materials - such as the painted plastic buttons on the Genesis), not to mention the Genesis Coupe (underpowered T4 and fugly grill design) - so we can toss another one of your assertions out the window.

Simply don't like it when people switch positions (to suit their argument) so go ahead, throw some more accusations at me instead of trying to rebut what I have stated.

 

[Glashub]

With all due respect and not to out you but are you the person I found who is a market researcher for Hyundai? Or could it be that there is another "Yeh"? Does this skill level synopsis ring a bell?

"Market research professional with consulting experience in market intelligence and analytics, consumer trends, futuring and strategic planning. Interested in the areas of business consultancy, market analytics, consumer insights, brand strategy, and long and short range strategic planning for brand/company growth."

 

[jmo51]

With all due respect and not to out you but are you the person I found who is a market researcher for Hyundai? Or could it be that there is another "Yeh"? Does this skill level synopsis ring a bell?

"Market research professional with consulting experience in market intelligence and analytics, consumer trends, futuring and strategic planning. Interested in the areas of business consultancy, market analytics, consumer insights, brand strategy, and long and short range strategic planning for brand/company growth."

So you believe that this YEH is Agnes Yeh from Orange County, CA??? Seems this member already stated that he/she wasn't affiliated with Hyundai. Interesting

 

[Glashub]

So you believe that this YEH is Agnes Yeh from Orange County, CA??? Seems this member already stated that he/she wasn't affiliated with Hyundai. Interesting

lol. I haven't a clue. Nor can I think of a reason for YEH to lie. But that's what I immediately found in the public domain. Interesting though that the "Yeh" who came up near the top in search listings is employed by Hyundai. Started at Hyundai June, 2008. Ironic.

 

[jmo51]

lol. I haven't a clue. Nor can I think of a reason for YEH to lie. But that's what I immediately found in the public domain. Interesting though that the "Yeh" who came up near the top in search listings is employed by Hyundai. Started at Hyundai June, 2008. Ironic.

Nor I. Agnes????? Lol

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[Glashub]

But skill set fits exactly what this YEH could be doing on the forum.

 

[jmo51]

But skill set fits exactly what this YEH could be doing on the forum.

No doubt, but regardless of where YEH works, his/her comments above regarding the R-Spec were spot on, IMHO.

 

[Mark_888]

No doubt, but regardless of where YEH works, his/her comments above regarding the R-Spec were spot on, IMHO.

I have no problems with anyone posting on this forum, and I certainly don't want to exclude Hyundai employees or dealer employees. I do think that any vendor should disclose their affiliation, and that is all I asked.

Three years is long time to post on this forum without owning a Genesis or Equus, and he was a involved in many contentious discussions about the 2009 suspension, despite his claims.

 

[Mark_888]

It is relevant - some Genesis buyers come the Avalon while others come from sports coupes or sporty sedans while others come from typical family sedans.

And who's to determine which auto writer/reviewer is a "hack"?

And actually, these days, the most common complaint among auto writers w/ regard to ride are about overly firm suspensions over rough rides (particularly, the writers based out of and around Detroit and LA).

Heck, even the new Camry got dinged for having a ride that was no longer supple over bad pavement for a little improvement regarding body roll, etc.

And there are other reviewers who have driven the R-Spec on local roads and while the R-Spec may not have the best ride out of the mid-size luxury sedans, they didn't have the same opinion of it being "unnecessarily harsh."

(It's quite ironic that you, of all people, would take what some reviewers have stated to heart, where you have adopted the position and regurgitate it every chance you get when you so easily dismissed auto reviewers earlier.)

Also, it wasn't me who denied anything about the suspension change (for both 2010 and the last part of the 2009 MY) - you're memory must be fuzzy.

Sorry, to disappoint you but I have no connection to Hyundai whatsoever and I certainly have not defended Hyundai on "every single misstep."

I have largely stayed out of the suspension talk of pre-2010 models b/c there seemed to be enough issues w/ it by both auto reviewers and owners.

Otoh, there really haven't been owners of the R-Spec who have come to post complaints about the suspension like 2009 owners - so that, in itself, should have curbed your repeated assertions (there's a big diff. btwn a suspension that isn't calibrated properly and a suspension that's maybe overly tight and w/ some tires that heighten the issue).

And I most certainly have not been w/o my criticisms of the Genesis and Equus (namely, the outdated designs of the dash/centerstacks and the subpar materials - such as the painted plastic buttons on the Genesis), not to mention the Genesis Coupe (underpowered T4 and fugly grill design) - so we can toss another one of your assertions out the window.

Simply don't like it when people switch positions (to suit their argument) so go ahead, throw some more accusations at me instead of trying to rebut what I have stated.

The reason the Avalon is not relevant, is that Car and Driver stated correctly that BMW and Infinity M both have a firmer ride than than Genesis, but don't loose control on rough roads. It has nothing to do with cushy versus firm as you are implying.

Regarding the 2012 automotive reviews by the group of reviewers invited by Hyundai to review it (these reviews were posted in detail previously on this forum), almost everyone liked the 3.8 and 4.6 suspension and handling, but some (not everyone) thought that the R-Spec was "unnecessarily harsh." To me that is an alarm, but everyone can do a test drive and decide for themselves.

My original comment on this subject was that when the 5.0 Sedan is available (5.0 GDI with the regular 2012 4.6 suspension) I think that many people who otherwise would gravitate toward the R-Spec will choose the 5.0 instead (they both have 429 HP according to Hyundai website). But clearly some people will choose the R-Spec no matter what (I never said they wouldn't sell any).

 

[Mark_888]

lol. I haven't a clue. Nor can I think of a reason for YEH to lie. But that's what I immediately found in the public domain. Interesting though that the "Yeh" who came up near the top in search listings is employed by Hyundai. Started at Hyundai June, 2008. Ironic.

If you go back and read all the posts from YEH, even in just the month, you can clearly see that person has lots of inside information about what Hyundai future plans are.

If YEH doesn't work for Hyundai, then maybe some other job in the auto industry or market research/marketing firm that provides advice or services to Hyundai.

 

[jmo51]

The reason the Avalon is not relevant, is that Car and Driver stated correctly that BMW and Infinity M both have a firmer ride than than Genesis, but don't loose control on rough roads. It has nothing to do with cushy versus firm as you are implying.

Regarding the 2012 automotive reviews by the group of reviewers invited by Hyundai to review it (these reviews were posted in detail previously on this forum), almost everyone liked the 3.8 and 4.6 suspension and handling, but some (not everyone) thought that the R-Spec was "unnecessarily harsh." To me that is an alarm, but everyone can do a test drive and decide for themselves.

My original comment on this subject was that when the 5.0 Sedan is available (5.0 GDI with the regular 2012 4.6 suspension) I think that many people who otherwise would gravitate toward the R-Spec will choose the 5.0 instead (they both have 429 HP according to Hyundai website). But clearly some people will choose the R-Spec no matter what (I never said they wouldn't sell any).

"To me that is an alarm, but everyone can do a test drive and decide for themselves".

Have you given any thought to driving an R-Spec and deciding for yourself??? You might arrive at different conclusion.

Have a great Thanksgiving

 

[Ruissimo]

ANYWAYS... I hadn't been on the Hyundaiusa site in a couple of months, and just saw this AMAZING video of the R Spec. Nice job, Hyundai!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZsZ05FgZw"]2012 HYUNDAI GENESIS R-SPEC — LUXURY, TECHNOLOGY AND PERFORMANCE IN DETAIL - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mark_888]

"To me that is an alarm, but everyone can do a test drive and decide for themselves".

Have you given any thought to driving an R-Spec and deciding for yourself??? You might arrive at different conclusion.

Have a great Thanksgiving

That is possible, but not likely, given that the number of reviews I read about it and all the Genesis suspension issues I know about going back to 2009. Even if I were interested in a new Genesis (not likely since my current one only has 25K miles), I would likely get the V6, which has plenty of power for me.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

I have far less issue with my R-Spec suspension than I do with the OEM tires. With high quality tires, this car will ride different IMHO. Then, I believe comparisons to other cars (550i) might me more realistic, regardless of the >$30,000 difference. In most regards, the R-Spec is nine-tenths the BMW with a huge rebate.

 

[jmo51]

ANYWAYS... I hadn't been on the Hyundaiusa site in a couple of months, and just saw this AMAZING video of the R Spec. Nice job, Hyundai!

2012 HYUNDAI GENESIS R-SPEC — LUXURY, TECHNOLOGY AND PERFORMANCE IN DETAIL - YouTube

Thanks for posting. Excellent promo video.