Non-Staggered setup for a 2023 G70 3.3T Rear Drive

[ICEGenesis70]

Thank you so much. I found an additional website

Tire Size and Wheel Offset – Decisions, Decisions.

Which explains the effect of changing offsets in a variety of scenarios. I had to give them my email address to subscribe to the blog to get access to the article, but it was worth it. The article explains conceptually the effect of changing offset, and then walks you through 3 different scenarios with calculations and explanations.

They also have an automatic calculator, which was really useful, also. And a lot faster than doing the calculations by hand on paper. But doing the paper calculations helped me to understand the concept of offset better. I finally understood CLEARLY that the offset is something that is built into the design of the wheel, not built into the design of the car.

https://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator#

So, according to their calculator, going from an 8.0 wheel with 34mm offset in the front, to an 8.5 wheel with 34 mm offset in the front, will reduce the clearance between the inner side of the wheel and the strut housing by 6 mm (0.2362 inch) and push the outside edge of the wheel out by 6mm.

Rear: Going from an 8.5 inch wheel with 46 mm offset (stock set up) to an 8.5 inch wheel with 34 mm offset, will increase the clearance between the inner side of the wheel and the rear strut housing by 12 mm (0.4724 inch) and extend the outer edge of the wheel out by the same amount.

A super useful calculator. Great explanation of the calculations also, on the first website I showed you.

Once again, thanks for all your help.

 

[ICEGenesis70]

So, I finally went with a square set-up as follows:
Wheels: Konig Heliogram, 19 X 8.5, 20.5 lb per wheel, offset +32mm
Tires: Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus, 255/35 ZR19
Everything fits fine, no rubbing or interference. As far as the tires go, they are slightly more quiet than the PS4, impact harshness is slightly softer. Ride seems a little softer, so I am assuming the sidewall is not as stiff as on the PS4. The handling on mountain roads outside LA is as good as with the PS4. This is nowhere near at-the-limit driving, and I don't track the car, so have no idea how good the tires actually are in at the limit driving. There seems to be a little bit less grip at the rear (less grippy tire), and a lot more grip at the front (went from 225 to 255 width rubber).
I think that after the original PS4 tires wear out, I'll buy an additional set of wheels, 18 X 8.5, and use 255/40 18 summer tires, either PS4S or something different.

 

[blnewto]

So, I finally went with a square set-up as follows:
Wheels: Konig Heliogram, 19 X 8.5, 20.5 lb per wheel, offset +32mm
Tires: Continental ExtremeContact DWS06 Plus, 255/35 ZR19
Everything fits fine, no rubbing or interference. As far as the tires go, they are slightly more quiet than the PS4, impact harshness is slightly softer. Ride seems a little softer, so I am assuming the sidewall is not as stiff as on the PS4. The handling on mountain roads outside LA is as good as with the PS4. This is nowhere near at-the-limit driving, and I don't track the car, so have no idea how good the tires actually are in at the limit driving. There seems to be a little bit less grip at the rear (less grippy tire), and a lot more grip at the front (went from 225 to 255 width rubber).
I think that after the original PS4 tires wear out, I'll buy an additional set of wheels, 18 X 8.5, and use 255/40 18 summer tires, either PS4S or something different.

Great choice, especially the wheel color to go w/ that silver G70, nice combo!
I have the staggered Conti DWS06 tires on OEM wheels and they're a great tire for All Season duty, sure they're a bit more forgiving w/ the sidewalls and easier to break loose but work well overall. A much safer tire for freezing and snowy conditions, if you don't have those to deal with running Summers is preferred, but still a great tire.

 

[Volfy]

Konig "gram" series flow formed wheels are an excellent choice. Mfr'ed using Enkei's MAT process under license, they should be every bit as good.

 

[Kiwi Gene]

Fantastic! These are exactly the answers and parameters I was looking for. Thank you so

Thanks a heap for this thread... awesome value.

 

[ICEGenesis70]

Thanks a heap for this thread... awesome

Thanks a heap for this thread... awesome value.

You’re welcome. Jlapaglia, Jctx and Volfy and the other guys who answered my questions were all super helpful. The online calculators are essential if you’re interested in a good-driving setup, I think.

 

[blnewto]

Revisiting this thread, @ICEGenesis70 appreciate the info and pics on your setup along w/ the other helpful nuggets from members in this thread. The more I think about it the more I want to go to a square summer setup to coincide w/ my OEM winter set w/ All Seasons. Lighter 18s, probably Enkei Kojins in 18x8.5 +35 on 255/40/18 summer tires sounds like a good plan. Since summers wear down quickly being able to do a full 4 tire rotation makes the most sense. Only concern is the inside of the tire clearance in the front fender/strut, but seems like it's not been an issue, and @Volfy also confirmed that 255 is ok in there.

 

[ICEGenesis70]

Revisiting this thread, @ICEGenesis70 appreciate the info and pics on your setup along w/ the other helpful nuggets from members in this thread. The more I think about it the more I want to go to a square summer setup to coincide w/ my OEM winter set w/ All Seasons. Lighter 18s, probably Enkei Kojins in 18x8.5 +35 on 255/40/18 summer tires sounds like a good plan. Since summers wear down quickly being able to do a full 4 tire rotation makes the most sense. Only concern is the inside of the tire clearance in the front fender/strut, but seems like it's not been an issue, and @Volfy also confirmed that 255 is ok in there.

Yes. My Konigs are +32 offset, no problems clearing with 255s. I bought some 18 X 8.5, +35 Enkeis recently. Havent tried them on yet, but I'm assuming I will have no clearance problems with 255s also.

 

[blnewto]

Yes. My Konigs are +32 offset, no problems clearing with 255s. I bought some 18 X 8.5, +35 Enkeis recently. Havent tried them on yet, but I'm assuming I will have no clearance problems with 255s also.

Which Enkeis did you get? And thanks!

 

[ICEGenesis70]

Which Enkeis did you get? And thanks!

Enkei T6S 18 X 8.5

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[blnewto]

Enkei T6S 18 X 8.5

I really like that wheel, look forward to seeing them on when you get to it.

 

[ICEGenesis70]

I really like that wheel, look forward to seeing them on when you get to it.

Thank you. I bought them even though Fitment industry website had them listed at 28 or 29 pounds. I was very pleasantly surprised when I weighed them after I got them ( on an electronic scale), and discovered that they were only 22.8 pounds. The 19" Konig Heliograms are 20.5 pounds. Much lighter than the 32.4(F) and 34.8 (R) wheels that came on the 2023 sport prestige 3.3

 

[Volfy]

Can't go wrong with any of the Enkei and Konig flow-formed wheels. They are all lightweight compared to the stock boat anchors. As long as you make sure the aftermarket wheels are load-rated properly for the application, there really is no downside. Light weight makes everything better - accel/decel, handling, ride, etc. Plus they are cheaper to replace than OEM wheels and more readily available (if you pick a popular style that will stay in production for years).

Oh, and another thing... I always pick wheel styles are are easy to clean. Not surprisingly, lighter weight wheels typically have less/thinner spokes, which makes cleaning easier. Track-ready brake pads make a lot of dust. At times, I almost have to wash my daily driver every week.

 

[blnewto]

Can't go wrong with any of the Enkei and Konig flow-formed wheels. They are all lightweight compared to the stock boat anchors. As long as you make sure the aftermarket wheels are load-rated properly for the application, there really is no downside. Light weight makes everything better - accel/decel, handling, ride, etc. Plus they are cheaper to replace than OEM wheels and more readily available (if you pick a popular style that will stay in production for years).

Oh, and another thing... I always pick wheel styles are are easy to clean. Not surprisingly, lighter weight wheels typically have less/thinner spokes, which makes cleaning easier. Track-ready brake pads make a lot of dust. At times, I almost have to wash my daily driver every week.

Just got a new 24 G703.3T for a loaner as my oil line recall was getting done, those are some fugly wheels IMO, and to clean them would be a total time kill

Just don't understand this obsession for such busy wheels, they rarely look good, PITA to clean, tougher to clean your calipers, and inspect your brake pad wear. Similar to the "my grill is bigger than your grill fad" as well.

 

[ICEGenesis70]

Just got a new 24 G703.3T for a loaner as my oil line recall was getting done, those are some fugly wheels IMO, and to clean them would be a total time kill

Just don't understand this obsession for such busy wheels, they rarely look good, PITA to clean, tougher to clean your calipers, and inspect your brake pad wear. Similar to the "my grill is bigger than your grill fad" as well.
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I like big grills.

 

[Volfy]

Just got a new 24 G703.3T for a loaner as my oil line recall was getting done, those are some fugly wheels IMO, and to clean them would be a total time kill

Just don't understand this obsession for such busy wheels, they rarely look good, PITA to clean, tougher to clean your calipers, and inspect your brake pad wear.

I think part of it is just the mfr trying to come up with something "new". Especially on a platform where Genesis apparently has given up on spending R&D money for a complete redesign. Wheels are an almost zero-cost way of giving the same exterior something new to look at. Some of us might prefer simple tried-n-true wheel designs, but I suppose a lot of car buyers don't look at it that way. They might find the light-weight thin straight spoke look rather boring. Mfrs then respond by coming up with ever more dazzling designs. So we end up with these over-complicated OEM wheels.

 

[Volfy]

I like big grills.

I'm somewhat neutral on that. Can be good or bad, depending on how it's executed.

Big grills like on many of the latest BMWs are just butt-fugly. I also find some of Lexus' "Predator Mouth" as hideous as... well the Predator's unmasked face. Especially on their larger SUVs, where the grills are just freaking ginormous.

Then again, I actually think Genesis' Superman grill scales quite well - large or small. I also think Dodge continues to do their mini-Mack look better than all other pickups.

All depends.

 

[ICEGenesis70]

I'm somewhat neutral on that. Can be good or bad, depending on how it's executed.

Big grills like on many of the latest BMWs are just butt-fugly. I also find some of Lexus' "Predator Mouth" as hideous as... well the Predator's unmasked face. Especially on their larger SUVs, where the grills are just freaking ginormous.

Then again, I actually think Genesis' Superman grill scales quite well - large or small. I also think Dodge continues to do their mini-Mack look better than all other pickups.

All depends.

I pretty much agree with your assessment of the grills you mentioned, although I do like the grill on the M3 and M4. I’ve never found it offensive. I don’t really like it on some of the other BMW vehicles were they use a similar design. I quite like the latest iterations of the big Lexus grill on their sedans and coupes. But, my answer before was sort of like the guy from Spinal Tap going “our speakers go up to 11“

 

[iluvmygenny777]

Would there by any issues if I run all weather tires, squared setup with size 225/40R19? I'm guessing I'll need to be careful how fast I drive around corners because of less grip?

Thanks!

 

[tooloon]

Nothing wrong with having your preference. However, 18" wheels have no problem clearing the Brembo calipers. I have 4 sets of 18s; all of them clear with plenty of gap without spacers.

225 45 18

I have the staggered set up but run square for winter