Not impressed by the premium 17 speaker sound quality

[Fitzhd]

I’m not impressed with the 17 speakers in my 2023 G70. The one in the dash is the best speaker and most of the sound comes from there. It’s very hard to balance with the low quality speakers in the back.
The 2 subwoofers under the seats are not subwoofers. They barely make any sound. I took it to the dealer yesterday, saying my subwoofers don’t work. That’s where they told me they’re not subwoofers!
I’m going to take it to an audio shop and see what they suggest. I’ll probably start with adding one subwoofer.

 

[19 G70 3.3T]

Sorry you feel that way... My 2019 Lexicon system is totally amazing! It really feels like I'm sitting in the living room with the way the sound stage is set up. And, those little 8" subs under the seat really boom with certain music. I do plan on adding another sub in the trunk though for the times when I want a "little" more.

 

[Fitzhd]

Sorry you feel that way... My 2019 Lexicon system is totally amazing! It really feels like I'm sitting in the living room with the way the sound stage is set up. And, those little 8" subs under the seat really boom with certain music. I do plan on adding another sub in the trunk though for the times when I want a "little" more.

I don't hate it, but I was under the impression it would be better. Considering it was part of a $4,300 Sports advance package that had a ton of options, I guess I shouldn't think that there is a lot of money in that package going towards the Lexicon system. My stereo upgrade in my Vette was $2600, so I know audio components can be pricey.
My biggest disappointment was that Genesis says there are 2 subs under the seats, and at the Genesis dealer, they told me they are not subs. I can't hear any bass coming out of them, even with Matelica blasting. The other thing is that I can't balance the sound from the front and back, the front dominates with the big speaker in the dash.
I'm picky about my audio, love the car, and maybe for not much money I can do an audio upgrade that will make the car perfect.

 

[blnewto]

Sorry you feel that way... My 2019 Lexicon system is totally amazing! It really feels like I'm sitting in the living room with the way the sound stage is set up. And, those little 8" subs under the seat really boom with certain music. I do plan on adding another sub in the trunk though for the times when I want a "little" more.

X2, very happy w/ our Lexicon too in our 21

 

[MrMegadeth]

They are subs as I understand... What did the dealer tell you was under the seats?

However, no one know what the crossover is on them. Years ago someone on here tried to figure it out but I'm too lazy to search for those threads.

 

[Volfy]

They are subwoofer, yes, but not very powerful ones, and they don't extend down very low either. There is just no beating physics. I bought a pair of them to install on my base model Stinger. These days, I'm not as willing to sacrifice trunk space, so these add some much needed low-end fill. That is the whole reason of being for these things. As long as you keep your expectation reasonable, they work as well as something as tiny as these things can muster. I would be very surprised if they have an enclosure volume of more than 0.1 cu.ft. each. The amount of voice coil excursion is probably tiny too, compared to aftermarket subs. Huge dynamics these will not make.

If you want better bass, you're gonna have to go aftermarket. That is the case with most cars in this class. I used to moonlight as a car audio installer back in college, and I have built countless number of subs. I know how good good can sound. By the same token, I know not to expect miracles. The OEM guys did a reasonable good job

 

[Fitzhd]

They are subs as I understand... What did the dealer tell you was under the seats?

However, no one know what the crossover is on them. Years ago someone on here tried to figure it out but I'm too lazy to search for those threads.

It was the sales rep at the Genesis dealer that told me they were not subs. He said they are to move the sound around, whatever that means? So I asked like surroundsound and he said not really.
If they are subs, they barely put out any sound at all, I did find another thread on a different Genesis group that had all sorts of links to people adding aftermarket subs to their car. I believe that direction I will go.

 

[Fitzhd]

They are subwoofer, yes, but not very powerful ones, and they don't extend down very low either. There is just no beating physics. I bought a pair of them to install on my base model Stinger. These days, I'm not as willing to sacrifice trunk space, so these add some much needed low-end fill. That is the whole reason of being for these things. As long as you keep your expectation reasonable, they work as well as something as tiny as these things can muster. I would be very surprised if they have an enclosure volume of more than 0.1 cu.ft. each. The amount of voice coil excursion is probably tiny too, compared to aftermarket subs. Huge dynamics these will not make.

If you want better bass, you're gonna have to go aftermarket. That is the case with most cars in this class. I used to moonlight as a car audio installer back in college, and I have built countless number of subs. I know how good good can sound. By the same token, I know not to expect miracles. The OEM guys did a reasonable good job

Thank you for the picture and explanation. I’ll probably go with an under the seat sub I have a kicker sub in my Vette and it’s a game changer. I’m trying to avoid adding a separate amp for the sub.
Either way I got to do some tweaking to this current system

 

[Fitzhd]

 

[19 G70 3.3T]

The wiring diagrams call them woofers.

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[pulsar]

Play something digital thru Apply car play from your phone when hard plugged into the car. You can get those subs rocking fairly well. When using Bluetooth for audio I can tell a big difference with a drop in sound quality. I did a recording here of mine a good while back and posted it for I had removed one to see exactly how they work? I think the crossover frequency is pretty narrow so some songs may just minimally activate the subs. With the right song you can get the cones moving a good amount. Nothing will compare though to a good 12 inch genuine sub with the right enclosure. In my younger days I had a Cerwin Vega 12 inch in a ported enclosure tied to a 400W amp that moved plenty of air and thumped like made with the right songs. Older and more protective of my hearing these days.

 

[Fitzhd]

Play something digital thru Apply car play from your phone when hard plugged into the car. You can get those subs rocking fairly well. When using Bluetooth for audio I can tell a big difference with a drop in sound quality. I did a recording here of mine a good while back and posted it for I had removed one to see exactly how they work? I think the crossover frequency is pretty narrow so some songs may just minimally activate the subs. With the right song you can get the cones moving a good amount. Nothing will compare though to a good 12 inch genuine sub with the right enclosure. In my younger days I had a Cerwin Vega 12 inch in a ported enclosure tied to a 400W amp that moved plenty of air and thumped like made with the right songs. Older and more protective of my hearing these days.

I do have hardwired Apple play, playing Metallica doesn’t even get those things thumping.
What volume are you talking about, I’ve had it very loud and can’t hear them at an acceptable output.
This week I was in a 2019 Volvo with a standard stereo, and it was way better than the genesis stereo.
Love the car, but was expecting more from an upgraded audio system.

 

[19 G70 3.3T]

I do have hardwired Apple play, playing Metallica doesn’t even get those things thumping.
What volume are you talking about, I’ve had it very loud and can’t hear them at an acceptable output.
This week I was in a 2019 Volvo with a standard stereo, and it was way better than the genesis stereo.
Love the car, but was expecting more from an upgraded audio system.

They must have changed something between '19 and '23... Playing anything by Treaty Oak Revival, most Chris Stapleton songs and even throwing in some 3-6 Mafia for fun (at a volume of 20-25) it hits hard enough to vibrate the rear and side view mirrors. On anything with sustained bass it's enough to feel it in the chest. This is with anything sub ~60 Hz.

 

[XamnosiddA]

My 2019 Lexicon system thumps decently at a volume of around 10+ but you have to throw good-quality data at it. Try using FLAC or WAV files instead of the normally "dumbed down" signals that most streaming services default to. I mostly listen to music I have saved on my phone, but Pandora and Amazon Music both sound decent if you set them to their maximum streaming bandwidth.

 

[pulsar]

I do have hardwired Apple play, playing Metallica doesn’t even get those things thumping.
What volume are you talking about, I’ve had it very loud and can’t hear them at an acceptable output.
This week I was in a 2019 Volvo with a standard stereo, and it was way better than the genesis stereo.
Love the car, but was expecting more from an upgraded audio system.

Subwoofer under front seats?

No dumb questions. My 25yr old son comes up from San Antonio and will be over tomorrow or the day after and he probably knows how to help? Have no idea how to upload to you tube, but that is a good idea and I can just post a link. Give me a day or two and I’ll report back to the group. Upload...

genesisowners.com

Go find the above post. Not sure what the best way to copy a prior post is but hopefully this can get you there.

 

[MrMegadeth]

The wiring diagrams call them woofers.

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There are multiple speakers in the door they could be indicating the lower woofers and not the under-seat speakers.

 

[Fitzhd]

They must have changed something between '19 and '23... Playing anything by Treaty Oak Revival, most Chris Stapleton songs and even throwing in some 3-6 Mafia for fun (at a volume of 20-25) it hits hard enough to vibrate the rear and side view mirrors. On anything with sustained bass it's enough to feel it in the chest. This is with anything sub ~60 Hz.

Wow, something changed for sure. Even the Genesis sales rep (incorrectly) said they were not subwoofers. Apparently they are subs, but an incredibly weak pair.

 

[Fitzhd]

Subwoofer under front seats?

No dumb questions. My 25yr old son comes up from San Antonio and will be over tomorrow or the day after and he probably knows how to help? Have no idea how to upload to you tube, but that is a good idea and I can just post a link. Give me a day or two and I’ll report back to the group. Upload...

genesisowners.com

Go find the above post. Not sure what the best way to copy a prior post is but hopefully this can get you there.

Thank you, one correction the Volvo I was in had a Volvo upgrade multimedia package with a 600W Harman Kardon 14 speaker system. It sounded beautiful, and was a $2,500 option including a bigger drive display.

 

[Volfy]

Your source material and the transfer method absolutely do make a difference. These days, since most music sources are digital, unless you are playing a lossless format, even high bitrate transfers can have portions of the music content cut out. One of the first to go is the subsonic band - stuff that you feel more than you listen.

That said, I don't have as much problem with the G70 Lexicon's low-end frequency response as I do with its ability to produce a clear stereo image and a broad well-defined soundstage. That has a lot to do with driver placements on the front door. The original Lexicon system in my '09 Genesis Sedan was distinctly better at this, because it has the front tweeters forward in the door sail panels, aimed in a cross fire direction at the passenger in the opposite seat. That was the right way to do it.

G70, OTOH, has the front tweeters much closer and to the side, which makes the path length difference between L and R much greater. I noticed this trend in a lot of the newer cars and it's not doing us audiophile any favors.

For this very reason, a lot of us fuss endlessly over speaker placement in our home audio systems. Same goes for car audio installs, back in a time when OEMs were plain trash and aftermarket was the only way to get good sound.

These days, that's not so easy anymore. Sure you can still add a subwoofer system relatively easily, but trying to reconfigure the front drivers for better imaging is far more challenging, bordering on impossible. That's unfortunate.