On the fence with trading in for Sonata

[SimpsonTide985]

I totally agree with this statement!
No way...no comparison!

What makes a car superior is quite debatable then.

 

[OldSpice]

What makes a car superior is quite debatable then.

Quality, performance, handling and value for starters,
that is not to say that a Sonata is not a remarkable car but is isn't a Genesis

 

[brihvac]

With gas on the rise again, Im starting to think about this again. He still wants to trade a new loaded up Sonata Limited turbo with navigation even up out the door. My Genesis only gets 18mpg and I keep having issues with my radio.

 

[Cut-Throat]

With gas on the rise again, Im starting to think about this again. He still wants to trade a new loaded up Sonata Limited turbo with navigation even up out the door. My Genesis only gets 18mpg and I keep having issues with my radio.

Have you actually done the math on this? --- Trading for another car is very expensive. No amount of gas savings will pay for this.

 

[brihvac]

Have you actually done the math on this? --- Trading for another car is very expensive. No amount of gas savings will pay for this.

Yes, I get between 18-22. 18 with my everyday driving.
No money will switch hands. It would be even up out the door. Tax, tags, evrything. It would cost me nothing. Genesis is paid for.

 

[Cut-Throat]

Yes, I get between 18-22. 18 with my everyday driving.
No money will switch hands. It would be even up out the door. Tax, tags, evrything. It would cost me nothing. Genesis is paid for.

You must be heavy on the accelerator. With my 2011 V8 4.6L Genesis I get 22 around the city and I just finished a road trip of 1600 miles where I averaged 27 MPG.

 

[brihvac]

You must be heavy on the accelerator. With my 2011 V8 4.6L Genesis I get 22 around the city and I just finished a road trip of 1600 miles where I averaged 27 MPG.

If I got that mileage, I would'nt even consider trading it. I dont really consider myself hard on the throttle with starting and stoping. However I do run around 75-80mph on the hi-way

 

[sarge]

You must be heavy on the accelerator. With my 2011 V8 4.6L Genesis I get 22 around the city and I just finished a road trip of 1600 miles where I averaged 27 MPG.

I'm tossing the challenge flag.

I did a 3 day test with my 2011 4.6. I drove my normal commute route. I was very light on acceleration, drove the posted speed limit, slowed well before red lights so that I had a chance of not haveing to re-start from a stop, etc, etc, etc. My MPG did go up - from 17 to almost 20. I do not believe it would have been possible to average 22 MPG in my Genesis 4.6 in true city driving.

On the highway, with adaptive cruise set to 70, I managed 29 MPG on a 110 mile run, including getting on and off the interstate.

 

[Cut-Throat]

I'm tossing the challenge flag.

I did a 3 day test with my 2011 4.6. I drove my normal commute route. I was very light on acceleration, drove the posted speed limit, slowed well before red lights so that I had a chance of not haveing to re-start from a stop, etc, etc, etc. My MPG did go up - from 17 to almost 20. I do not believe it would have been possible to average 22 MPG in my Genesis 4.6 in true city driving.

On the highway, with adaptive cruise set to 70, I managed 29 MPG on a 110 mile run, including getting on and off the interstate.

My city driving consists of a lot of freeways, so I am not stopping as much as you are. Around Mpls/St.Paul area. So, it's not an apples to apples comparison. I am sure that if I spent my time city driving in 30 mph speed zones with lots of stop signs and traffic lights, I would not get 22 MPG.

 

[sarge]

Have you actually done the math on this? --- Trading for another car is very expensive. No amount of gas savings will pay for this.

Correct, but.......

If his Genesis is paid for and he gets the fair market value for it, and he only pays the fair market value for the Sonota, then he didn't lose a penny, whether the trade is "even up" or not. He simply cashed out the equity in the Genesis and applied it to the Sonota. Since most cars have declining equity, the earlier an owner trades the better in general terms.

Of course, it is extrememly unlikely that anyone will ever get fair market value in trade with a dealer exchange. Virtually the only way to get FMV is a private sale. Most of us pay for the convenience of not having to deal with a private sale, and the difference between the trade price and the private sale price is the commission the dealership is making to handle the job for us.

If the Genesis gets about 20 MPG on average and the Sonota gets about 30 on average, and gas is $3/gal and he drives about 15K a year, the Sonota will save him $750 a year in gas. If gas goes up significantly over the next year (it is almost certain to do so), then it might be possible over a 3 year span to make back the amount lost by trading the Genesis rather than doing a private sale.

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[sarge]

My city driving consists of a lot of freeways, so I am not stopping as much as you are. Around Mpls/St.Paul area. So, it's not an apples to apples comparison. I am sure that if I spent my time city driving in 30 mph speed zones with lots of stop signs and traffic lights, I would not get 22 MPG.

That probably accounts for the difference. My daily commute is 19 miles one way. The first 7 and the final 5 miles are stop and go traffic. The middle 7 is a freeway.

My brother works for me. He lives significantly further away and drives a full size pickup. His commute is almost all freeway, however, and his gas costs are almost identical to mine.

 

[Stoofpilot]

I am blown away that anyone would compare a Genesis and a Sonata. Clearly someone is missing the real value of the Genesis. I traded a Lexus LS 430 in on the Genesis and never looked back. Are you telling me that the Sonata is as good as the Lexus? I use mid grade in my 4.6 and get 24 around town and 28 on the road doing 80 mph.

 

[Cut-Throat]

I am blown away that anyone would compare a Genesis and a Sonata. Clearly someone is missing the real value of the Genesis. I traded a Lexus LS 430 in on the Genesis and never looked back. Are you telling me that the Sonata is as good as the Lexus? I use mid grade in my 4.6 and get 24 around town and 28 on the road doing 80 mph.

I agree there is no comparison. The only thing that is similar is that they are both in the Hyundai Line.

I think this is a 'budget' choice. And if 'Budget' is the concern the Sonata wins. The Sonata is no Genesis or Lexus. But is an option if your Budget is dictating. The Sonata will get better mileage, less cost to insure and less cost to license.

 

[msitter]

You must always take into account any depreciation and payment factors when you trade up or down. If your Genesis has already taken the first couple of years of depreciation and you trade down to a new Sonata which will reset the depreciation clock all over again and whatever extension of payments are incurred, that has to be weighed against any fuel savings. It always amuses me when someone with a paid for car sells or trades it and then buys an economy special with additional payments. The new car saves fuel but the total cost in new payments, additional depreciation far out weighs any fuel savings. It is falling into the new car trap all over again but at a much lower level.

 

[brihvac]

Im sorry guys but the Genesis is a nice car but thats about it. I traded a 04 E class Mercedes on it and Im sorry I did. The Mercedes is a far superior car to the Genesis. Its still a Hyundai

 

[OldSpice]

Im sorry guys but the Genesis is a nice car but thats about it. I traded a 04 E class Mercedes on it and Im sorry I did. The Mercedes is a far superior car to the Genesis. Its still a Hyundai

With this logic you'll be walking soon,

E class Mercedes.............Genesis .................Sonata .....................????????

 

[Stoofpilot]

I drove my friends 08 E class Mercedes last week and I was not impressed. The V 6 had no pull, the seats were hard as rock, the stereo could not come close and it was not as quiet as my 4.6 Genesis. The only thing I liked better was the steering feel felt more connected to the road. I guess it really goes back to everyones driving experiences are personal.

 

[brihvac]

With this logic you'll be walking soon,

E class Mercedes.............Genesis .................Sonata .....................????????

I see you agree.

The dealer brought the Genesis from $36K down to $31K. Then gave me $18K for my E class that I had just bought, private party, 3 months before for $14K. Thinking that the Genesis was in a class with Mercedes etc, I went for it. Don't get me wrong, the Genesis is a great car, but it is not in the same class as the mid-high level Mercedes etc. It makes noises on start up because the oil drains out of the filter, I have had it back numerous times for the radio, and the suspension sounds like a 15yr old Ford pickup. When I get into it you dont know if the radio will work or not. Sometimes just one speaker works.

 

[dg_moore]

I see you agree.

The dealer brought the Genesis from $36K down to $31K. Then gave me $18K for my E class that I had just bought, private party, 3 months before for $14K. Thinking that the Genesis was in a class with Mercedes etc, I went for it. Don't get me wrong, the Genesis is a great car, but it is not in the same class as the mid-high level Mercedes etc. It makes noises on start up because the oil drains out of the filter, I have had it back numerous times for the radio, and the suspension sounds like a 15yr old Ford pickup. When I get into it you dont know if the radio will work or not. Sometimes just one speaker works.

Sounds like you got a bad Genesis - from owners' comments here and elsewhere it appears that far more are (near) perfect than defective.

 

[Stoofpilot]

It sounds like the old adage about buying the first year of any car model. My 2010 has been bullet proof.