Possible blown engine.

[mlitefan]

Not good. Started the car last night, in the garage. We were getting ready to head across the neighborhood to watch the game and the garage filled with smoke. Shut her off and opened the hood. Nothing. No oil on the floor, nothing visibly standing out. Couldn't see very well so decided to wait till morning to check it out.

Started it this morning and situation even worse. Engine sounds like it broke a valve spring or valve with all the noise. Sounded like something wanted out of that engine bad and that was within just a few seconds before I shut it down. Smoke out of the exhaust as well.

Just over 10000 miles with an oil change @ 5000. Switched to Synthetic.

I am not very happy right now. V8 tech package 09.

On a side note, when I purchased this car, I couldn't tell if the engine was running or not, it was so smooth. The past few months however I have noticed a slight vibration @ start and idle but didn't think too much about it but it was eating at the back of my head. Could be a complete coincidence but it does make me wonder. I will have it towed to the dealer and let you know what they find. Whatever it is, it isn't good.

 

[ctrcbob]

Thank goodness for the 10year 100k warranty.

Keep us informed. Also, let us know if your dealer gives you a Genesis loaner.

 

[mlitefan]

Will do.

The warranty was one of the final deciding factors and I can tell you, the dealer where I purchased this car has been nothing but fantastic with all my dealings so far so I expect they will not hesitate to give me a loaner. I have a feeling they are going to have my car for a while. I hope I am wrong

Williamsburg Hyundai and I would and do recommend them to anyone I talk to about the Genesis.

On an optimistic note, I have a Yukon XL that broke a valve spring around 50K miles and this really reminds me of how it acted at the time. That was a fairly quick fix and I still have that vehicle. Believe it or not, it has 201000 miles on it, including a ton of heavy towing miles (still tow with it).

 

[ilovemygenesis]

Not good. Started the car last night, in the garage. We were getting ready to head across the neighborhood to watch the game and the garage filled with smoke. Shut her off and opened the hood. Nothing. No oil on the floor, nothing visibly standing out. Couldn't see very well so decided to wait till morning to check it out.

Started it this morning and situation even worse. Engine sounds like it broke a valve spring or valve with all the noise. Sounded like something wanted out of that engine bad and that was within just a few seconds before I shut it down. Smoke out of the exhaust as well.

Just over 10000 miles with an oil change @ 5000. Switched to Synthetic.

I am not very happy right now. V8 tech package 09.

On a side note, when I purchased this car, I couldn't tell if the engine was running or not, it was so smooth. The past few months however I have noticed a slight vibration @ start and idle but didn't think too much about it but it was eating at the back of my head. Could be a complete coincidence but it does make me wonder. I will have it towed to the dealer and let you know what they find. Whatever it is, it isn't good.

Sorry for your issue man, i hope it gets resolved quickly, i am experiencing the same vibrating noise as you described. Initially when i got the car the engine was quiet as a woman on a date when the check arrives, but over the past couple of months I'm hearing noise out of the engine on start up and whenever i rev up the gas. I took it to my local dealership and they tried to convince me it's nothing but it is starting to get worse, i'll go to another dealership to see what the problem is, i hope it's not as serious as yours.

 

[STREETS]

Wait- if our our springs & shocks "break"....perhaps warranty will give us 2010 parts!
MLITEFAN- any ideas?

 

[motorsportsauthority]

Wait...did you change your oil personally? Did you use Hyundai's oil filter or a store brand? If they really want to, they can decline warranty because Hyundai parts weren't used or the service wasn't performed at Hyundai. So, let's hope that your local dealership is a lenient one. I just say that because I've seen Honda do it because when Honda decides to do an audit and finds it, they'll make the dealership pay Honda back for it.

 

[postalav8]

I have never heard of a warranty claim being denied because you changed your own oil. As long as you have records (sales recipes) for materials you are good.

On my other car an oil change cost around $100 at the dealership. I do it myself with an OEM filter and Mobil 1 for $32. Not paying their inflated fee and am not worried about my warranty.

 

[LLT]

Wait...did you change your oil personally? Did you use Hyundai's oil filter or a store brand? If they really want to, they can decline warranty because Hyundai parts weren't used or the service wasn't performed at Hyundai. So, let's hope that your local dealership is a lenient one. I just say that because I've seen Honda do it because when Honda decides to do an audit and finds it, they'll make the dealership pay Honda back for it.

Not entirely true. If you used (and can demonstrate) that you used aftermarket parts that met manufacturer specs, they CANNOT deny warranty (legally) unless it can be demonstrated that those parts caused the failure, with certainty. In this case, if the OP used a cheap FRAM filter (total junk, these days) and the filter failed -- the OP would need to pursue FRAM, Hyundai will not pay for it... and there aren't many dealers who will risk a warranty chargeback on an engine.

OP - very sorry to hear of your issues, how frustrating. I'm sure all will work out... I'd strongly suggest staying on top of the dealer, no matter how good they've been to you in the past. Have them explain exactly what they're doing to resolve the concern... make sure no corners are cut. I'm not sure if shutting the motor off "in time" will work in your favor or not. If it were me, I'd have hoped it'd blow completely so there's not a simple top-end rebuild and they send me on my merry way.

Good luck - please keep us posted!

 

[mlitefan]

Wait...did you change your oil personally? Did you use Hyundai's oil filter or a store brand? If they really want to, they can decline warranty because Hyundai parts weren't used or the service wasn't performed at Hyundai. So, let's hope that your local dealership is a lenient one. I just say that because I've seen Honda do it because when Honda decides to do an audit and finds it, they'll make the dealership pay Honda back for it.

I leased the car so I take it to the dealer for anything other than putting gas in it or washing it.


Calling the dealer in just a few minutes to have them come get the car.

 

[motorsportsauthority]

I leased the car so I take it to the dealer for anything other than putting gas in it or washing it.

Awesome. No loopholes whatsoever for the dealer.

Not entirely true. If you used (and can demonstrate) that you used aftermarket parts that met manufacturer specs, they CANNOT deny warranty (legally) unless it can be demonstrated that those parts caused the failure, with certainty.

Oh, I agree. That doesn't prevent some dealers from denying the claim though. The incident I'm referring to is a client who was driving normal and the engine blew. Nothing aftermarket with the exception of the oil filter. The dealer also cleared all the codes, so there are no records of anything. He's currently undergoing a lawsuit, but that doesn't mean that (worse case scenario) there won't be a battle.

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[ctrcbob]

Not entirely true. If you used (and can demonstrate) that you used aftermarket parts that met manufacturer specs, they CANNOT deny warranty (legally) unless it can be demonstrated that those parts caused the failure, with certainty. In this case, if the OP used a cheap FRAM filter (total junk, these days) and the filter failed -- the OP would need to pursue FRAM, Hyundai will not pay for it... and there aren't many dealers who will risk a warranty chargeback on an engine.

OP - very sorry to hear of your issues, how frustrating. I'm sure all will work out... I'd strongly suggest staying on top of the dealer, no matter how good they've been to you in the past. Have them explain exactly what they're doing to resolve the concern... make sure no corners are cut. I'm not sure if shutting the motor off "in time" will work in your favor or not. If it were me, I'd have hoped it'd blow completely so there's not a simple top-end rebuild and they send me on my merry way.

Good luck - please keep us posted!

I agree about the FRAM Oil Filter. As for getting Fram to pay for any engine damage, ha ha. Lots of luck. Read story below;

My Nephew, (dummy that he is) had a Ford Escort and he always changed his own oil and always used a Fram Filter. (You know, "pay me now or pay me later"). Well, he had a Fram Spin On Filter blow. (the Genesis does not use a spin on filter). Lost all his oil. Big time engine damage. OK, he contacts Fram, and Fram tells him to "send them the filter for them to examin it", and LIKE A BIG DUMMY, HE SENT IT TO THEM. Fram comes back, denies his claim and says that there was nothing wrong with the filter. So my nephew had no filter returned, Frams word that the blown filter was ok, and a blown engine. My nephew had to foot the repair bill himself.

My advice is; If a filter blows, SEE A LAWYER, and don't sent the filter to the filter manufacturer. Let the lawyer force the filter manufacturer to come to you to inspect the filter and engine.

I'm sure that other filter manufacturers do the same if a (spin-on) filter blows. I once read the AmsOil Dealer manual on their oil filters, and although they also say they guarantee the filter, after reading all the fine print in the manual about returning the filter, and other things I now forget exactly what it said, you may as well forget getting a filter manufacturer to fix an engine.

In my case, no matter what car I have, and no matter if I have a dealer, a neighborhood garage, or myself change the oil, I ALWAYS USE THE MANUFACTURERS OIL FILTER, never an aftermarket filter.
Fords use Motorcraft. GM's use AC, Chrysler's use Mopar, Toyota use Toyota, etc. etc. etc. This way, if a filter ever blows, the car manufacturer can't blame the filter manufacturer, and vice versa, with you in the middle.

 

[TJPark01]

In my case, no matter what car I have, and no matter if I have a dealer, a neighborhood garage, or myself change the oil, I ALWAYS USE THE MANUFACTURERS OIL FILTER, never an aftermarket filter.
Fords use Motorcraft. GM's use AC, Chrysler's use Mopar, Toyota use Toyota, etc. etc. etc. This way, if a filter ever blows, the car manufacturer can't blame the filter manufacturer, and vice versa, with you in the middle.

100% agree with this. There is no price advantage to buying after market filters. In fact no one can prove that so called high performance filters, such as Mobil 1 or K&N or Royal Purple, have any real world performance gains for a car engine, (other than the manufacturers themselves). The engine manufacturers design the specs for the filter, that include, pressure specifications,flow rates,filter bypass and anti-drain back valves, etc. You can't see these in the can (obviously not applicable in cartridge type). I only see downside to using these aftermarket filters. Maybe I'm being overly cautious but I want the oil filter that was made for the engine I have, not the one that averages out to fit 1000 other cars.

 

[Mark_888]

I don't understand all this discussion about after-market oil filters for the Genesis. Does one even exist (that is really different than the OEM filter)?

The FTC has ruled that a warranty cannot be denied if you do your own oil changes, provided you have reasonable proof of the change. First thing to after a blown engine or major engine problem (if you do your own oil changes) is to get a sample of the oil from the crankcase and purchase two used oil analysis from different companies. Have someone witness you take the sample and send it in. Cost about $25 each.

Several people have reported problems in this forum with the Tau 4.6 V8 when driving the car for only a short time (before engine is completely heated) and restarting it later. According to the dealer some of the values (or something) don't end up in the correct position for starting if the engine is still cold. The Tau engine is new, and this may be a defect. Probably exacerbated by the very cold weather in the US the last few weeks.

 

[Sayantsi]

Its been so cold, I can see a valve or spring cracking on start up and causing the problem. The dealership is going to have to pull the head and see what's in the cylinders to know for sure, and then cover it under warranty or not. Good luck!

 

[mlitefan]

Well I have some great news to report. Still diving into the details and the answer I was given has sparked a few other questions but the bottom line is, the engine is fine. Nothing cracked or broken but I would have lost a ton of money on a bet when this first happened, based on the noise coming out of that engine!

Seems I was caught in a perfect BAD loop. Between the cold and the circumstances of the progression of the issue, I actually exacerbated the problem by doing what anyone else would do.

Here is the deal. Car was cold, started it and moved it about 15 feet, without letting it warm up or finish what I call the "high idle" process. Car sat for several hours in the even colder weather and then I started it and moved it back into the garage (about another 15 feet). That is when I first smelled an odor. No smoke or noise at this point.

Car sits for several more hours (getting even colder outside) and I go out to start it so we can head to the neighbors. Start the car, son comes out and sees a cloud of smoke and I immediately shut off the car. I check under the car and under the hood for visible signs of leaks but see nothing.

I then proceed to start the car one more time, smoke immediately comes out the exhaust so I do what came natural. I shut the car off. Too dark to see much in the garage so I decide to look at it the next day.

VERY cold now. I start the car and that is when I heard the nasty "something has come apart" noise I described as sounding like a broken valve spring. So what do I do? I immediately shut off the car, like any sane rational person would do. I sit for a few minutes, call the wife out to the garage and ask her to take a listen. Start the car up and same noise, same smoke so again, I immediately cut the car off.

Rollback comes to get it yesterday and they have been looking at it every since.

Dealer diagnosis (with help from the Hyundai tech folks to confirm)?

It seems that in some instances, on very short starts and stops (garage to driveway and vice versa) there could be some unspent fuel in the cylinders. The first time I saw smoke, that is what I was seeing as it tried to burn it off. I simply compounded the situation by cutting it on and off as I stated above. Evidently, it had so much unspent fuel in it at that point that it made the nasty noises as it stumbled to run and get it right.

They have been driving it with no problem for the better part of the day and I am getting ready to pick it up but it does make me wonder if there might be something brewing with the electronics of the fuel delivery system.

We shall see but like I said, the engine is fine and for that I am very happy!!

Downside? I didn't even get to lobby for the new higher HP engine.

 

[ImInPA]

Not entirely true. If you used (and can demonstrate) that you used aftermarket parts that met manufacturer specs, they CANNOT deny warranty (legally) unless it can be demonstrated that those parts caused the failure, with certainty. In this case, if the OP used a cheap FRAM filter (total junk, these days) and the filter failed -- the OP would need to pursue FRAM, Hyundai will not pay for it... and there aren't many dealers who will risk a warranty chargeback on an engine.

OP - very sorry to hear of your issues, how frustrating. I'm sure all will work out... I'd strongly suggest staying on top of the dealer, no matter how good they've been to you in the past. Have them explain exactly what they're doing to resolve the concern... make sure no corners are cut. I'm not sure if shutting the motor off "in time" will work in your favor or not. If it were me, I'd have hoped it'd blow completely so there's not a simple top-end rebuild and they send me on my merry way.

Good luck - please keep us posted!

This is not correct. If the Fram filter used has the correct specification to be used as an OEM replacement, you will not be impacted by the use of a correctly specified filter. Same goes for Wal-Mart branded, or any other filter. If Hyundai has a problem with FRAM, they are responsible for stating that FRAM filters are not acceptable. They will not do that, since they will be held liable by FRAM. Make no mistake, this is all legal stuff...no BS "opinions" on quality of non-oem parts.

 

[danieltoye101@msn.com]

Yeah!!!

 

[Iforget]

Good to hear everything is A-ok for now.

 

[LLT]

This is not correct. If the Fram filter used has the correct specification to be used as an OEM replacement, you will not be impacted by the use of a correctly specified filter. Same goes for Wal-Mart branded, or any other filter. If Hyundai has a problem with FRAM, they are responsible for stating that FRAM filters are not acceptable. They will not do that, since they will be held liable by FRAM. Make no mistake, this is all legal stuff...no BS "opinions" on quality of non-oem parts.

Whether it meets OEM specifications or not... if it fails, it's your responsibility. Period. Why would Hyundai (or any other manufacturer) assume liability and eat the cost of a new engine because a part they DID NOT make failed? Ridiculous.

No BS opinions necessary... fact is fact. If you put something on the car and that something causes failure, you're on the hook. Contact any consumer attorney, dealership or manufacturer you wish. Use your wal-mart filters and cross your fingers that they don't fail.


On topic: That's great news OP! I guess this comes from my diesel days, but I never shut a car off before it reaches operating temperature. Glad no expensive lessons were learned!

 

[BorregoV8]

To bad you never read my earlier post about the same issue with my TAU powered Borrego. I was told the same thing from my KIA dealer. Here is a link to my earlier post.



http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=3781