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R Spec vs 2013 GS 350

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Had to give a personal review here. I purchased a 2012 RSpec about 7 months ago. Have a friend who started at Lexus recently. His used car manager thinks highly of my car since he used to work for Hyundai. He was making me a ridiculous offer for a new 2013 GS. I drove the car twice to compare. My payment was going up about $40 and I turned them down. The GS is awesome inside and OK outside. I'm not a fan of the predator grill but the rest of the ride is nice. After driving the GS there is no comparison. The RSpec drives better, quiter and so much FASTER. No way i can give up that speed. I admit the GS is a bit smoother on rough roads but we have great roads in Tennessee. I have a newfound love for this car. I will keep with Hyundai and hope they just keep improving. Great ride.
 
I concur. I own a 07 GS350 and a 11 Genesis. I prefer the Genesis. After 3 Lexus, I am moving to Genesis.
 
After two LS400s and two LS460Ls I couldn't agree more. Granted, the GS and LS are very different, I have driven all generations of GS and still prefer my R-Spec.
 
I'm glad you guys like your R-Spec but c'mon...the GS is superor in many ways including the ride/handling aspect imo. It's a most recent iteration while the Genny's are long in the tooth.

Spent time driving the GS and came away very impressed except for one thing...that 6 cyl. labors when pushed. But the GS I drove which my freind said cost about 50k was loaded and extremely agile and fun to drive. My idea of fun to drive is being able to toss a car around curve after curve. The Genesis has too much body roll. The steering is too numb.

I expect that will all be worked out for 2014 since they are using top-notch test tracks in Germany to tune for world class ride/handling.

The Genny's are very nice cars. I'm grateful for mine. But to say that it drives better than a GS...well....
 
I'm glad you guys like your R-Spec but c'mon...the GS is superor in many ways including the ride/handling aspect imo. It's a most recent iteration while the Genny's are long in the tooth.

Spent time driving the GS and came away very impressed except for one thing...that 6 cyl. labors when pushed. But the GS I drove which my freind said cost about 50k was loaded and extremely agile and fun to drive. My idea of fun to drive is being able to toss a car around curve after curve. The Genesis has too much body roll. The steering is too numb.

I expect that will all be worked out for 2014 since they are using top-notch test tracks in Germany to tune for world class ride/handling.

The Genny's are very nice cars. I'm grateful for mine. But to say that it drives better than a GS...well....

Again, I currently own both!..And my GS was over $50K....But it depends on your definition of 'Drives Better'...

..I just finished a 1800 Mile trip to Florida for the Winter, and my Genesis 'Drives Better' than my GS on this trip. Smoother, Quieter more comfortable. Also, my Genesis has 3 times the trunk space that my GS does. I would have to leave all my 'stuff' at home.
 
The 2013 GS only comes in one engine option. It does labor to the point that it is not fun for a driver that likes to drive. The one I drove was MSRP 53k and it was a joke. Interior great, ride Ok, outside horrible and engine horrible. Again jut my review. By the way,handling was very similar. In no way was the GS superior.
 
Aren't we supposed to compare the Genny with the LS instead of the GS? I thought the LS had a similar body size to the Genny. They even look slightly similar from the back. Then again I might be wrong :confused:
 
Cut-throat you have a 2007. That is the old iteration. We're talking 2013. Hammer, again, I drove a new GS pretty extensively. The driver’s door of the new GS feels like it weighs 3x as much as the door of the Genny when you close and it closes with a real bank vault sound. Let's start there. I invite you to stop by a Lexus dealer and to fo in a just open and close the door. You'll Hyundai cut corners there just like they do with the faux wood and the inferior leather. The GS is a better integrated more sophisticated machine. I loved the interior but I agree about the grill. I thought we're all car enthusiasts.

And stop trotting out that you guys owned BMW and MB but failing to point out that they are relatively ancient. It’s not fair for the discussion.
 
Cut-throat you have a 2007. That is the old iteration. We're talking 2013. Hammer, again, I drove a new GS pretty extensively. The driver’s door of the new GS feels like it weighs 3x as much as the door of the Genny when you close and it closes with a real bank vault sound. Let's start there. I invite you to stop by a Lexus dealer and to fo in a just open and close the door. You'll Hyundai cut corners there just like they do with the faux wood and the inferior leather. The GS is a better integrated more sophisticated machine. I loved the interior but I agree about the grill. I thought we're all car enthusiasts.

And stop trotting out that you owned BMW and MB but failing to point out that they are relatively ancient. It’s not fair for the discussion.

Just because it is newer, does not mean it's better. I had a 99 GS300 and it was a better car than my 2007. I bought the 2007 because of this and was disappointed.
 
I agree on the door and overall car feeling a bit more tank like. Interior in the GS is far superior. It's all about what you want. I personally like to drive a bit more aggressively so the Genny is superior for that in my mind. 429HP vs 306 is where the Genny takes the crown. Lexus missed on all facets with their weak engine. Feels like a Camry, not a GS.
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The new GS is smaller and lighter than the Genesis and due in a large art to that (as well as engineering for a more European handling), the GS is a better handling machine than the Genesis.

Lexus really benchmarked the Germans w/ the current GS; a Toyota engineer admitted that the previous GS was not up to par against the Germans and would get unstable at high speeds.
 
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I personally think the LS compares to the Equus but haven't driven one so cannot compare. I drove the GS pretty hard and this is just personal but I truly felt that my R Spec out handled the GS just a fraction.
 
Thanks for your insight.
When you say that you like a sportive behaviour you kind of exclude the LS line.
From what I read they are outstanding but far from high performers.
I am really enthusiastic with my 3.8 + 2 packages Genesis.
I wonder what it would be with a V8.
 
2012 Hyundai R Spec
MT FIGURE EIGHT 26.3 sec @ 0.68 g (avg)
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 109 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.87 g (avg)


2013 Lexus GS350 F-Sport
MT FIGURE EIGHT 25.4 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 110 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.94 g (avg)

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1107_2012_hyundai_genesis_5_0_r_spec_test/

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1206_six_cylinder_midsize_luxury_sedans/viewall.html

Direct Comparison between GS350AWD (non F-Sport) vs Hyundai 5.0 R Spec :

Set up accordingly, the GS 350 AWD’s autobox fires off gear changes like a sharpshooter at the range. While the crisp exhaust notes created when the transmission blips the throttle on downshifts is almost as tasty as the R-Spec’s V8’s rumble. And where the Hyundai wallows in turns, the Lexus remains incredibly stable, able and willing. The only blemish on the Lexus’ resume is its too-light electric steering system, something the Hyundai suffers from as well.

Inside, we also liked the new GS 350 AWD’s interior better. Its seats are more supportive, and the quality of materials and build quality are typical Lexus — top notch.

Overall, the 2013 Lexus GS 350 AWD is the better sports luxury sedan for the money. And we haven’t even mentioned its all-wheel-drive, a must-have for many Canadians in this segment.

That isn’t meant to imply that the R-Spec is now a bona fide luxury sports sedan. Sure, its steering is sharper and more responsive, but it still feels artificial. Any extra cornering or braking grip the Hyundai’s 19-inch rubber (one inch larger than the Lexus) may promise is washed away by its extra weight. And although you give up foul-weather driving traction with the Genesis’ rear-wheel-drive setup, understeer at the limit comes quicker than in the GS 350 AWD.

Just as the GS 350 AWD delivers a quiet cabin and luxurious ride, the R-Spec is nearly silent when cruising. There’s little wind noise and nary a peep from the road. But when you want to hustle the Hyundai, its wide and soft driver’s seat offers little support, and although its interior is nearly the match of the Lexus for fit and finish, many of the controls seem like add-ons or afterthoughts.

Luxurious, the Hyundai is. But sporty? Meh, not so much.

Full Article :http://www.driving.ca/research-car/roadtest/Comparo+Lexus+Hyundai+Genesis+Spec/7727782/story.html
 
I guess price-wise the Gen was a better choice for me. But I don't think the Gen is "better" but rather different. It has its better and worse compared to the GS. Interior-wise the lexus gets my points. Then again if you compare it to the Chrysler 300 I'm definitely gonna say the Genny by all means haha
 
Agreed the GS a better fit and finish for sure, hence the price difference. I was just giving my opinion. The GS non AWD labored like a Camry. Maybe I'm just used to the 429HP. I just feel like the Genny engine is much smoother and of course faster. Lexus is as reliable as you can get but even if they were the same price I couldn't give up the speed I have become accustomed to. I would rather have a fast smooth ride vs a slow nice interior ride. But then again opinions are like A Holes. By the way I also could never deal with the GS front end.
 
Lexus is as reliable as you can get but even if they were the same price I couldn't give up the speed I have become accustomed to. I would rather have a fast smooth ride vs a slow nice interior ride. But then again opinions are like A Holes. By the way I also could never deal with the GS front end.

My Genesis has been far more reliable than my 2nd Generation GS. The first Generation GS was Solid.
 
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I have been reading car mags since I was about 12 years old and that was a long, LONG time ago. Motor Trend has been dead last on my list of trusted sources and for a variety of reasons. Some of the writing in the two quotes posted illustrate my point.

Set up accordingly, the GS 350 AWD’s autobox fires off gear changes like a sharpshooter at the range. While the crisp exhaust notes created when the transmission blips the throttle on downshifts is almost as tasty as the R-Spec’s V8’s rumble.

R-spec's "rumble"? WHAT rumble? At idle or at speed you cannot hear the engine. The 5.0 is as quiet as the V-6 used in Toyota's Avalon and the GS.

And where the Hyundai wallows in turns, the Lexus remains incredibly stable, able and willing.

Wallows? What R-spec did they drive? Mine is a 2012 is it turns flat as a pancake. No wallow. No lean. Nada.

The only blemish on the Lexus’ resume is its too-light electric steering system, something the Hyundai suffers from as well.

I haven't driven a GS lately but the steering in my R-spec does not "suffer" from anything. If anything, it could be marginally quicker.

Overall, the 2013 Lexus GS 350 AWD is the better sports luxury sedan for the money. And we haven’t even mentioned its all-wheel-drive, a must-have for many Canadians in this segment.

There are plenty of Americans who live in areas where AWD is a benefit but if they feel it is a mandatory requirement then they wouldn't be looking at a RWD car in the first place. This reminds me of a Consumer Reports that did a write up on sports cars and dinged one of them for "being too difficult to get in and out of". Idiots!

That isn’t meant to imply that the R-Spec is now a bona fide luxury sports sedan. Sure, its steering is sharper and more responsive, but it still feels artificial. Any extra cornering or braking grip the Hyundai’s 19-inch rubber (one inch larger than the Lexus) may promise is washed away by its extra weight. And although you give up foul-weather driving traction with the Genesis’ rear-wheel-drive setup, understeer at the limit comes quicker than in the GS 350 AWD.

What is "artificial" steering? Either it steers or it doesn't. Apparently the guy writing this didn't ride in the other test car that had "too light" steering. These guys are going out of their way to find fault and they are not able to agree on concise descriptions. I call baloney!

A great many potential buyers live in areas where ice and snow are not issues. There is no penalty for driving an R-spec here and AWD would actually be a waste of money.

Just as the GS 350 AWD delivers a quiet cabin and luxurious ride, the R-Spec is nearly silent when cruising. There’s little wind noise and nary a peep from the road. But when you want to hustle the Hyundai, its wide and soft driver’s seat offers little support, and although its interior is nearly the match of the Lexus for fit and finish, many of the controls seem like add-ons or afterthoughts.

This paragraph would make my old English teacher turn over in her grave - multiple subjects unconnected.

The R-spec is indeed quiet with even less road noise than my previous ultra-quiet Avalon. No vibration. No squeaks. No rattles.

I've never considered the GS a sports sedan and I doubt its driver seats are anything close to a Recaro. You want to hurl either of these cars around the track you would be wise to replace the drivers seat with something made for the purpose. Myself, I would hate to have to wrench myself in and out of a more enveloping seat every time I take the car somewhere. As it is, the seat is comfortable and offers enough support for daily driving off the track. I see no shortcoming here. Cheap shot city.

Nice of the author to throw the R-spec a bone with its comparison to the Lexus fit and finish but I would put the R-spec's fit and finish up against any other car in its class. You could argue endlessly about the design and placement of the dash and controls but I see nothing about the interior that looks like an "add-on". Could there be improvements? Yes. The seat heater controls in the rear could be re-located to a position less likely to be turned on accidentally and the dash buttons could be white-lit instead of the more difficult to see blue back light. But these are refinements, not shortcomings.

Luxurious, the Hyundai is. But sporty? Meh, not so much.

Motor Trend still operates at its usual low level of expertise (tied, I'm sure, to advertising buys). Thanks, but if I want to read total fantasy I'll pick up a copy of the National Inquirer next time I pass through the checkout line.
 
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