Rediculously Frustrated!!!

[nyc1rob]

Won't even talk about 4 recalls in 2 years....But I need a new yellow indicator light on front passenger side...My mechanic told me it's about 2 hrs labor just to change a damn bulb...Just utterly ridiculous....Who's the brain surgeon who designed this?..

I have a 2010 genesis sedan 4.6 Tech pkg, with only 19,000 miles...I baby the car and it still looks gorgeous, but I'm so tempted to sell it....

 

[dmitriylm]

What in the heck are you complaining about? A indicator light on a 5 year old car? It's a routine maintenance item, the part is cheap and you can do the labor yourself. This can be done in under an hour by a decent mechanic and you don't even have to remove the front bumper like you would with many other makes. Sounds like a lot of complaining about nothing.

Just a short Google search will show you 'how to' videos on how to do this step by step: http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/2009_Hyundai_Genesis_4.6_4.6L_V8/lights/headlight

Put a bit more effort into your issues and you'll be a lot happier as a result.

BTW, recalls are actually a good thing. This means a manufacturer has recognized an issue and intends to correct it as cars are very complicated machines. It's very common as all manufacturers make yearly recalls including bastions of reliability like Honda and Toyota. What you should worry about are manufacturers who deny issues and refuse to issue timely recalls. Like GM's ignition switch fiasco that they knew about for years prior to being forced into a massive recall campaign.r

 

[homeofstone]

2 hrs. is not correct. I changed one of mine. I accessed it through the removable plastic plate above the rear of the light assembly.

 

[84FordMan]

Let's put this in perspective from more "quality" brands.

- BMW 335i, high pressure fuel pump keeps failing, BMW keeps replacing them under warranty (until warranty runs out) and their replacements keep failing too. It required a class action lawsuit, and the result? Not a recall. Just an 'extended warranty' on the HPFP.

On the N54-equipped 335's the valve cover gasket would regularly leak. $25 gasket? You wish. You have to buy the entire damn valve cover AND ALL 27 BOLTS! Yes 27 bolts hold the damn valve cover down and they are torque-to-yield like cylinder head bolts, meaning you can only use them once. Not to mention the regular $500 walnut blasting of the intake valves because BMW decided not to use a secondary set of injectors to keep them clean of carbon (direct injection).

And your indicator bulb on the BMW, it's made to it's own socket and it's now $27 at your local parts store (Used to be over $50 originally) and you have to go through the wheel well, which means jacking the car up (Which requires a special lifting block too BTW), removing the wheel and tire and removing the fender liner.

- Mercedes E350, my wife's car. Fuel leaks from the gas tank. Mercedes denied this for almost a decade, despite owners taking videos of their cars taking a fuel piss. Since they used the same tank for every model in this generation, even those in the $76,000 AMG trim were complaining and MB still did nothing. Again it required a class action lawsuit for anything to happen. Despite leaking fuel being an obvious HUGE safety issue, again, no recall, just an extended warranty of 15 years from production date on the fuel system.

This extended warranty did not occur until 2014, about 5 years AFTER the last production W211 rolled off the line. The wife's E350 sat in a dealership garage for 47 days while they sourced a gas tank (As her's had a crack in it too).

Guess what happens when it comes time to replace the rear indicator light on her E350? Can't replace the bulb alone, no.. it's soldered to a damn circuit board, about $115 per side.

And you are pissed about a blinker light?

Don't believe for a second the grass is any greener on the other side of the fence.

 

[ckon]

Let's put this in perspective from more "quality" brands.

- BMW 335i, high pressure fuel pump keeps failing, BMW keeps replacing them under warranty (until warranty runs out) and their replacements keep failing too. It required a class action lawsuit, and the result? Not a recall. Just an 'extended warranty' on the HPFP.

On the N54-equipped 335's the valve cover gasket would regularly leak. $25 gasket? You wish. You have to buy the entire damn valve cover AND ALL 27 BOLTS! Yes 27 bolts hold the damn valve cover down and they are torque-to-yield like cylinder head bolts, meaning you can only use them once. Not to mention the regular $500 walnut blasting of the intake valves because BMW decided not to use a secondary set of injectors to keep them clean of carbon (direct injection).

And your indicator bulb on the BMW, it's made to it's own socket and it's now $27 at your local parts store (Used to be over $50 originally) and you have to go through the wheel well, which means jacking the car up (Which requires a special lifting block too BTW), removing the wheel and tire and removing the fender liner.

- Mercedes E350, my wife's car. Fuel leaks from the gas tank. Mercedes denied this for almost a decade, despite owners taking videos of their cars taking a fuel piss. Since they used the same tank for every model in this generation, even those in the $76,000 AMG trim were complaining and MB still did nothing. Again it required a class action lawsuit for anything to happen. Despite leaking fuel being an obvious HUGE safety issue, again, no recall, just an extended warranty of 15 years from production date on the fuel system.

This extended warranty did not occur until 2014, about 5 years AFTER the last production W211 rolled off the line. The wife's E350 sat in a dealership garage for 47 days while they sourced a gas tank (As her's had a crack in it too).

Guess what happens when it comes time to replace the rear indicator light on her E350? Can't replace the bulb alone, no.. it's soldered to a damn circuit board, about $115 per side.

And you are pissed about a blinker light?

Don't believe for a second the grass is any greener on the other side of the fence.

... and if IIRC, my son-in-law would have to spend about $350 to replace his X5 keyfob because the battery is dead and non-replaceable! He can't replace a $1 battery cuz the case is glued closed.

 

[kn5owa]

The big BMW problems are with the battery failure rates and the replacement costs/procedures.

Dwarfs the probs. with the Genny

 

[dmitriylm]

The big BMW problems are with the battery failure rates and the replacement costs/procedures.

Dwarfs the probs. with the Genny

My 2007 BMW 530i had a sun roof that got stuck open, battery discharge after a few weeks of not driving, coolant leaks, dead cd changer, ignition column that got stuck so I couldn't' start the car, turn the wheel or remove the FOB and other issues. My co workers with a 6 series coupe of similar year also had the ignition lock issue. It really was a pain in the ass to own.

 

[glock23]

... and if IIRC, my son-in-law would have to spend about $350 to replace his X5 keyfob because the battery is dead and non-replaceable! He can't replace a $1 battery cuz the case is glued closed.

I have 2003 530i and all you have to do is cut open the key fob carefully and re-solder the battery holder contact points back onto the PCB. Plenty of online info for this fix, I have done it myself.

 

[FastDEW1]

I have 2003 530i and all you have to do is cut open the key fob carefully and re-solder the battery holder contact points back onto the PCB. Plenty of online info for this fix, I have done it myself.

Bwhahaha. This is funny! "all you have to do...." is to cut the key open and solder it, etc. TO CHANGE A BATTERY!!!

Hmmm- Lets see.... How about like other manufacturers and BMW include, oh, I don't know... A WAY TO ACCESS THE DAMN BATTERY!!!

Not slamming you - I am saying that BMW has their head up their rectum on this.

 

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[dmitriylm]

I have 2003 530i and all you have to do is cut open the key fob carefully and re-solder the battery holder contact points back onto the PCB. Plenty of online info for this fix, I have done it myself.

I'm personally comfortably with DIY and soldering but you have to read that sentence back and pretend you're 99.99% of the population that isn't. "All you have to do is cut open the key fob.." and now there's spit in your face from all the laughing.

 

[kn5owa]

I'm personally comfortably with DIY and soldering but you have to read that sentence back and pretend you're 99.99% of the population that isn't. "All you have to do is cut open the key fob.." and now there's spit in your face from all the laughing.

I wonder what you have to do for something complicated like gassing up the car?

And, back on topic (Hyundai's), the 2006+ Sonata's are legendary for their "third" or upper brake light replacement . True, there are video's, but the job is a back-breaker - no matter how you cut it. Of course, the dealer will change it out for $150-$200 (and they don't want to do it).

 

[ckon]

Bwhahaha. This is funny! "all you have to do...." is to cut the key open and solder it, etc. TO CHANGE A BATTERY!!!

Hmmm- Lets see.... How about like other manufacturers and BMW include, oh, I don't know... A WAY TO ACCESS THE DAMN BATTERY!!!

Not slamming you - I am saying that BMW has their head up their rectum on this.

+1. BTW, when we discovered that there was no access, we Googled the problem and found that many had fixed their fobs, but also that it didn't work for many others. Access would have been nice and considerate of owners issues. Any company that has so little consideration for it's customers is suspect and deserves ridicule no matter how good a product they otherwise provide.

 

[xiaphin]

Come on guys lets not bash the guy for making a post when frustrated. Instead let's give him advice on how to go about changing the bulb out. This will save him money and help him gain knowledge so he will know how to change the driver side bulb when it burns out. Sounded like his mechanic was just trying to pull one over on him, happens all the time.

Like other people said it could be worse. G35 sedan requires partial front bumper and grill removal to change out headlight bulbs

 

[dmitriylm]

Come on guys lets not bash the guy for making a post when frustrated. Instead let's give him advice on how to go about changing the bulb out. This will save him money and help him gain knowledge so he will know how to change the driver side bulb when it burns out. Sounded like his mechanic was just trying to pull one over on him, happens all the time.

Like other people said it could be worse. G35 sedan requires partial front bumper and grill removal to change out headlight bulbs

I posted a step by step video showing how to change the bulbs on this car. It looks like a piece of cake especially since my airbox is already removed due to the R2C intake.

 

[iSOBigD]

Come on guys lets not bash the guy for making a post when frustrated. Instead let's give him advice on how to go about changing the bulb out. This will save him money and help him gain knowledge so he will know how to change the driver side bulb when it burns out. Sounded like his mechanic was just trying to pull one over on him, happens all the time.

Like other people said it could be worse. G35 sedan requires partial front bumper and grill removal to change out headlight bulbs

My 2004 Maxima literally needs the entire bumper removed in order to get to 2 bolts that hold the light assembly. You then reomve the entire thing, just to take off a plastic cover or twist and pull out a light. You have to do this every single time you change a light, and I put HIDs in it, LED lights, etc.

I went from 2h at first to 15-30min to remove the bumper after a few times, but honestly, when I saw that the Genesis has plastic/felt parts you just remove to access lights I thought I was dreaming. In the front, most lights are generally easy to access from the wheel weel/under the bumper area or from the engine bay by removing the part that holds the grill and maybe 1-2 other things depending on the light. It shouldn't take anyone with experience 2h, it's a DIY job.

 

[xiaphin]

I posted a step by step video showing how to change the bulbs on this car. It looks like a piece of cake especially since my airbox is already removed due to the R2C intake.

That was a good link. Hope he used it.

 

[glock23]

Bwhahaha. This is funny! "all you have to do...." is to cut the key open and solder it, etc. TO CHANGE A BATTERY!!!

Hmmm- Lets see.... How about like other manufacturers and BMW include, oh, I don't know... A WAY TO ACCESS THE DAMN BATTERY!!!

Not slamming you - I am saying that BMW has their head up their rectum on this.

I am sure your are not slamming me since that would be silly...afterall I am advising people on a potential way to fix their issue and save money?
Isn't that why we are here?

I should have been more clear to say that there is a good chance the battery is good and only the tangs that connect the battery holder to the PCB need to be re-soldered. This is a far better solution than buying a new key fob for $150 plus, hopefully someone can benefit from that information.

 

[05king]

You wanna know what excessive recalls are like. BUY A GM. Then you will know what an excessive amount of recalls are like