SF Auto Show - Autonomous Driving, ie. 'Autopilot'

[Bald Eagle]

There were two G70s at the San Francisco Auto Show this last weekend. The two cars were the deep blue and red cars with 'fancy' seats. One was stitched with red, and the other with white.

One of the two Genesis people there seemed "well informed". He had no info to pass on about when California will be able to sell cars, but trying to interpret what he couldn't say, my guess is Dec. He also said that if we buy a car in Nevada, Cal will register it as a Hyundai Genesis.

Now - autonomous driving. Our Canadian cousins seem to have it, and from the limited number of things I have read, it works pretty well. FWIW, my wife has had her Tesla Model 3 for 6 months, and I LOVE autopilot; I really want it on my next car. It is fantastic in commuter freeway traffic, and works fairly well on open freeways at 60-70mph. On average, I probably override it once every 5-10 minutes, not necessarily because it is doing something bad, but it is making me uncomfortable. It is amazing how restful it is to let someone, (something) else do the chore type driving while you, the world's greatest driver, is still in control, and you can do it 'the right' way without jeopardizing your marriage. The Genesis guy said it works in Korea, but it will not work in the US due to fear of lawsuits. He did not know that it works in Canada.

Now that we have a few cars in the US, can anyone give me a definitive yes or no if we have this feature available?

 

[Mr. Incredible]

I find the SCC and LKA on the G80 to be very good, and while not fully autonomous, it does take the pressure off driving in bumper to bumper L.A. traffic.

I prefer the system as it is now, only about 50%-60% autonomous, it forces one to still interact with the vehicle and not get distracted with other things.
While the Model 3 and newer Model S systems are far more sophisticated, IMO that leads to a lot more distracted behavior on the part of the driver, the systems are not fool proof, but many fools seem to think they are.

 

[Beefer]

There were two G70s at the San Francisco Auto Show this last weekend. The two cars were the deep blue and red cars with 'fancy' seats. One was stitched with red, and the other with white.

One of the two Genesis people there seemed "well informed". He had no info to pass on about when California will be able to sell cars, but trying to interpret what he couldn't say, my guess is Dec. He also said that if we buy a car in Nevada, Cal will register it as a Hyundai Genesis.

Now - autonomous driving. Our Canadian cousins seem to have it, and from the limited number of things I have read, it works pretty well. FWIW, my wife has had her Tesla Model 3 for 6 months, and I LOVE autopilot; I really want it on my next car. It is fantastic in commuter freeway traffic, and works fairly well on open freeways at 60-70mph. On average, I probably override it once every 5-10 minutes, not necessarily because it is doing something bad, but it is making me uncomfortable. It is amazing how restful it is to let someone, (something) else do the chore type driving while you, the world's greatest driver, is still in control, and you can do it 'the right' way without jeopardizing your marriage. The Genesis guy said it works in Korea, but it will not work in the US due to fear of lawsuits. He did not know that it works in Canada.

Now that we have a few cars in the US, can anyone give me a definitive yes or no if we have this feature available?

USA G70’s have all the autonomous options Canadians have.

 

[NLJ]

Still haven't figured out what makes it kick out and make you hold the wheels but the best I did was 6.7km without hands at 101kmh with adaptive cruise control.
But most times I get the warning in less than 30 seconds or between 1-2km.

 

[TOGuy242]

Still haven't figured out what makes it kick out and make you hold the wheels but the best I did was 6.7km without hands at 101kmh with adaptive cruise control.
But most times I get the warning in less than 30 seconds or between 1-2km.

I’ve been trying to figure it out too. I tested on a longer country highway - with no cars ahead of me it seemed to go on forever without prompting me to put my hands on the wheel. I’m wondering if it’s variable based on traffic conditions? Also don’t know how it knows when I’m touching the wheel or not - is there some sort of contact sensor, or does it need some sort of force, like adjusting, changing lanes etc?

 

[Beefer]

I’ve been trying to figure it out too. I tested on a longer country highway - with no cars ahead of me it seemed to go on forever without prompting me to put my hands on the wheel. I’m wondering if it’s variable based on traffic conditions? Also don’t know how it knows when I’m touching the wheel or not - is there some sort of contact sensor, or does it need some sort of force, like adjusting, changing lanes etc?

On your last part...pretty sure the slightest left/right adjustment triggers it.

 

[Bald Eagle]

I'm not trying to sell Teslas here. This is a Genesis G70 forum. But - the way Tesla does it is with two different systems that are independent. To engage you do two taps on a stalk; one engages the auto throttle/auto brake. This takes the speed up to whatever you set, (I have had it into the low 70s), and maintain a 1-5 car length gap. In stop & go traffic it will bring the car to a stop and then resume speed when able. The auto steering requires at least one hand on the wheel. It senses VERY minute pressure when the car wants the wheel to turn slightly, and the driver doesn't, or if there is a slight road imperfection that moves your hand a just a touch, but the road is straight. Lights flash, and a bell rings if your hand is off the wheel for somewhere between 15 & 30 seconds. I never take my hands off the wheel, but every once in a while it gives me a warning to put them back on when it has not felt resistance from me. Conversely, if the system is crowding a line when another vehicle is crowding the other side, I just steer into a better position in the lane, and auto steering disengages. FWIW, I think it requires too much movement of the wheel, and the car lurches a bit when this happens.

It ain't rocket science, (it may be more difficult) but a number of auto makers are exploring this technology, and I'm happy to see that Hyundai/Genesis is one of them.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

I'm not trying to sell Teslas here. This is a Genesis G70 forum. But - the way Tesla does it is with two different systems that are independent. To engage you do two taps on a stalk; one engages the auto throttle/auto brake. This takes the speed up to whatever you set, (I have had it into the low 70s), and maintain a 1-5 car length gap. In stop & go traffic it will bring the car to a stop and then resume speed when able. The auto steering requires at least one hand on the wheel. It senses VERY minute pressure when the car wants the wheel to turn slightly, and the driver doesn't, or if there is a slight road imperfection that moves your hand a just a touch, but the road is straight. Lights flash, and a bell rings if your hand is off the wheel for somewhere between 15 & 30 seconds. I never take my hands off the wheel, but every once in a while it gives me a warning to put them back on when it has not felt resistance from me. Conversely, if the system is crowding a line when another vehicle is crowding the other side, I just steer into a better position in the lane, and auto steering disengages. FWIW, I think it requires too much movement of the wheel, and the car lurches a bit when this happens.

It ain't rocket science, (it may be more difficult) but a number of auto makers are exploring this technology, and I'm happy to see that Hyundai/Genesis is one of them.

sounds like it works pretty much the same way the G80 does.

The only difference I see, is the G80 will not restart after a complete stop if said stop lasts longer than 3 full seconds, if the car stops and then goes again because traffic is moving albeit at a snails pace the system will chug along, if you come to a full and complete stop for >3 seconds then you have to tap the pedal or the cruise resume button (either works) to resume the SCC.

The G80 requires steering feedback, even the slightest nudge will keep the system from barking at you to put your hands on the wheel. The LKA will disengage if you use your turn signal to change lanes, if you do not it will attempt to force you back between the lines, until you cross over the middle then it can't detect the lines any longer so it disengages until you are in the new lane, but it is a fight to change lanes in this manner because it tries to pull you back.


Everything else you describe works the same as my G80, and likely the G70.


I use SCC and LKA daily on my commute now, and allow the car to essentially drive me the 30ish miles to work, I don't interfere with it's behavior except when I am changing highways, and even at that, if the traffic is flowing I can use my signal merge into the interchanging lane and never take SCC off, it will guide me around the sweeping interchange and maintain it's line and distance to the vehicle in front of me and it works great, yes I have to give it feedback, but I am not really steering it, simply keeping my hand on the wheel and correcting its course enough that it doesn't bark at me.

I have found the system to be very good and it has brought me blood pressure and stress level down a great deal. Over the past 5 weeks while my G80 was in the body shop I had to drive my '39 hot rod, manual everything and the pure aggravation I got going to and coming from work is night and day now that I am back in the G80.

I love cars and I love to drive, but I have decided that my daily commute is not driving, it is aggravation and frustration, when it takes 1.5 hours to go 31 miles at an average speed of 20 mph on a highway designated for 65mph, that isn't driving thus auto-pilot features of the G80 are a blessing.

I do believe the Tesla features are a bit more "aggressive" in taking control away from the driver vs. the G80 but I'm not ready for the total robotic experience at this point, the G80 keeps me engaged enough but takes enough away to be a good balance.

 

[Bald Eagle]

Thank you all, especially you, Mr. Incredible for the long detailed info. In at least one detail, it sounds like it may be better than Tesla. It sounds like you can "give it a little help" to stay in the lane without having to turn the wheel so far that the car "lurches" and disconnects from the autonomous mode.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

Thank you all, especially you, Mr. Incredible for the long detailed info. In at least one detail, it sounds like it may be better than Tesla. It sounds like you can "give it a little help" to stay in the lane without having to turn the wheel so far that the car "lurches" and disconnects from the autonomous mode.

to be clear, the LKA system in the G80 is not an autonomous driving system, it does require your hands on the wheel, however it will steer you through most long sweeping curves without much interaction.

I typically keep my left hand at the 8 o'clock position on the wheel, arm is basically resting on my leg, I keep 2-3 fingers on the outer edge of the wheel and as the system is steering I nudge it to keep the car centered in the lane, it does have a tendency to wander to one side of the lane where it is picking up a stronger detection of the painted lines.

But I am not really steering, the car is, I am merely guiding and correcting. It requires attention, but not full input. Unlike a car with no LKA where you have to fully steer through a curve.

While I haven't driven the Model 3, I have driven a 2016 Model S with the features and found the "S" to be far more aggressive than the G80 in this respect, it seems to want to steer for you where the G80 wants only guidance. I get that Tesla is trying to have the car do it all, not all of us are ready or wanting that.

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[Bald Eagle]

The Tesla does want to do it all. However, as one of the worlds greatest living drivers, I don't always agree with it. I always, (almost) keep both hands on the wheel; after all, I am driving the car. I would like to be able to give the car a gentle nudge to get it a bit further from that truck crowding the other lane without having to wrest control away from the autopilot.