So do I get a 3.8 with prem/nav or 4.6 plain?

[nearwater]

Afaik, the Lexicon systems are all 500W, the only difference is more speakers. The use metal cones for brightness and high fidelity. In my experience, quality speakers and power are more important than the number of speakers.

I totally agree that number of speakers doesn't necessarily equate to better SQ.
Heck, even a set of 2-way components and a sub can sound unreal.

I just noticed the 17speaker and 14speaker amps look different. Was wondering what the actual difference might be. That's all.

Dan

 

[postalav8]

Thanks for your help so far. I joined the think tank and can now get HAPP pricing -- woohoo! It looks like the two local dealers have a 3.8 with prem/nav and a 4.6 without tech. So which one should I get?

First thing to do is call the dealerships and ask if they will accept HAPP pricing on their Sedans. They are not required to honor the pricing. FWIW buy a V8 while you still can.

 

[Sayantsi]

I just noticed the 17speaker and 14speaker amps look different. Was wondering what the actual difference might be. That's all.

Dan

Yeah, i don't know what the differences are if any, but the amp is hidden anyway, so no worries on looks

 

[nearwater]

Yeah, i don't know what the differences are if any, but the amp is hidden anyway, so no worries on looks

Okay, I'll stop worrying.

Dan

 

[dataguy]

First thing to do is call the dealerships and ask if they will accept HAPP pricing on their Sedans. They are not required to honor the pricing. FWIW buy a V8 while you still can.

If you go through the HAPP links, then it will tell you which dealers are participating.

 

[Sayantsi]

If you go through the HAPP links, then it will tell you which dealers are participating.

Good place to start, however, I found out that even though they participate, they may not deal with you. It took me three "participating" dealerships to get the Genesis. If a dealer won't work with you, find one that will - don't be discouraged.

 

[DavidNJ]

SQ can vary with your position spatially, volume, and the mix of the composition. There are some recordings that people testing mics and studio use. Many recordings are limited by the quality of the recording.

For example, I do my HQ recording to two Korg MR-1s recordimg 1-bit PDM at 2.8Mhz (vs 16-bit at 44.1khz or 48khz in most video cameras). The Korg software transcodes that to 32bit @192khz leaving a layer of audible noise above 30-40khz. 20khz is high end of human hearing, however higher frequencies are aliased over the lower frequencies if the low pass filter doesn't get them. This lets the recording bypass the the attenuation of a low pass filter. I then delete them in a 3D spatial representation using Adobe Audition (formerly known as Cool Edit Pro).

The point is that most recordings are hammered into compressed formats, often recorded or at some point transcribed in a way that attenuated bass, treble, or clarity in general. You can actually see the clarity if you compare different mics in the 3D representation.

So...get a good recording of what you listen to, sit in a seat that you or other listeners will be in, in the position they will be in, and listen adjusting the system with the available controls.

Note, that a good home system comes with a mic that you place in your listening location. Then the system sends out signals from each speaker determining its frequency response and delay to the location. Finally, the pre-amp sets the gains and delays that are correct for each speaker.

 

[nearwater]

SQ can vary with your position spatially, volume, and the mix of the composition. There are some recordings that people testing mics and studio use. Many recordings are limited by the quality of the recording.

For example, I do my HQ recording to two Korg MR-1s recordimg 1-bit PDM at 2.8Mhz (vs 16-bit at 44.1khz or 48khz in most video cameras). The Korg software transcodes that to 32bit @192khz leaving a layer of audible noise above 30-40khz. 20khz is high end of human hearing, however higher frequencies are aliased over the lower frequencies if the low pass filter doesn't get them. This lets the recording bypass the the attenuation of a low pass filter. I then delete them in a 3D spatial representation using Adobe Audition (formerly known as Cool Edit Pro).

The point is that most recordings are hammered into compressed formats, often recorded or at some point transcribed in a way that attenuated bass, treble, or clarity in general. You can actually see the clarity if you compare different mics in the 3D representation.

So...get a good recording of what you listen to, sit in a seat that you or other listeners will be in, in the position they will be in, and listen adjusting the system with the available controls.

Note, that a good home system comes with a mic that you place in your listening location. Then the system sends out signals from each speaker determining its frequency response and delay to the location. Finally, the pre-amp sets the gains and delays that are correct for each speaker.

I'd love to learn more how to use those tools you mentioned.
We use cool edit pro when we tune handsfree in the vehicle, but never had a chance to use it for musical applications.

I'm enjoying the Focal demo discs in the car right now.
Thinking of buying some dvd-a discs and see how different those sound.

Dan

 

[FIAT]

Good place to start, however, I found out that even though they participate, they may not deal with you. It took me three "participating" dealerships to get the Genesis. If a dealer won't work with you, find one that will - don't be discouraged.

I will second the motion that getting HAPP pricing is not as easy as going in with you print out and driving out with a car. If your local dealers will not honor the pricing you may have to call the HAPP customer relations and they may be able to put pressure on the dealer good luck. I was unable to find a dealer that would honor the HAPP price. So i just used it as my base price added TT&L and made my offer

 

[Sayantsi]

I will second the motion that getting HAPP pricing is not as easy as going in with you print out and driving out with a car. If your local dealers will not honor the pricing you may have to call the HAPP customer relations and they may be able to put pressure on the dealer good luck. I was unable to find a dealer that would honor the HAPP price. So i just used it as my base price added TT&L and made my offer

Fwiw, the moderator at Hyundai Think Tank offered to find me the car I wanted if I couldn't get a local dealer to work with me, which was nice, although ultimately un-needed.

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