Steering Vibration and Drift

[zielritter]

Hi, guys -
I know threads about this topic have been started up in the past, but I wanted to get some fresh perspective to see if anyone has been able to resolve and if the issue persisted into the 2013-14 models.

My car rides and tracks beautifully - all the way up until 65mph. At 65 and particularly when traveling down a steeper grade there is a noticeable vibration (and sometimes a slight shimmy) in the steering wheel. The passenger seat also noticeably shakes when a passenger isn't present. I have also observed perhaps a slight leftward pull at these speeds.

I have two sets of new tires (have less than 13,000 miles total on the car) and both exhibit the vibration with the 17" Michelins maybe being marginally better with regards to the vibration.

The fact that the symptoms are worst when going down hill leads me to believe it's a component of the suspension causing the issue and not the tires. Going up hill tends to lessen the vibration. Flat grade is somewhere in between. So some part of the suspension/sub-frame being unloaded/loaded is the culprit. I have had multiple balancings and alignments and nothing has producing appreciable results.

Has anyone been able to resolve this issue? An older thread insisted that the cause is a sub-frame defect and the inability to adjust camber. If that's the case, it might just be something I live with and try to mitigate through road force balancing and keeping the alignment perfect.

I'm also getting some rigid collars. I know it's a long shot, but I will report back to see if anything changed after installing.

 

[Tailwalker]

Could be a number of different causes. Easiest and cheapest would be checking the balance of the wheel, or blown belt(pot hole)/dented wheel..maybe the alignment as well. From there, it could be wheel bearings or axles. I had both the belt bursting as well as the axle going on my last vehicle. Axles are no fun...can get real expensive depending on the car.

You really would need to take it to a shop to get a fair diagnosis. It's easy for us to say 'it's this' but in reality you need to get your hands dirty and delve into it. Each cars' issues are exactly that, as we all know.

Rigid collars are a great mod either way!

 

[Alwaysforward]

I have read on here somewhere that it is important that when you get an alignment that it is not just in spec, but as perfect as it can be. Just being within spec is not good enough. Just something you can try. Good luck an keep us posted.

 

[Tailwalker]

I have read on here somewhere that it is important that when you get an alignment that it is not just in spec, but as perfect as it can be. Just being within spec is not good enough. Just something you can try. Good luck an keep us posted.

I have read this as well. Good point.

 

[zielritter]

Could be a number of different causes. Easiest and cheapest would be checking the balance of the wheel, or blown belt(pot hole)/dented wheel..maybe the alignment as well. From there, it could be wheel bearings or axles. I had both the belt bursting as well as the axle going on my last vehicle. Axles are no fun...can get real expensive depending on the car.

You really would need to take it to a shop to get a fair diagnosis. It's easy for us to say 'it's this' but in reality you need to get your hands dirty and delve into it. Each cars' issues are exactly that, as we all know.

Rigid collars are a great mod either way!

Don't take this the wrong way but - been there, done that and I've done my homework on the basics. I think this is more of a systemic issue with certain Hyundais because Google is littered with pulling/vibrating stories (on my 5th Hyundai - 2 have exhibited this to a certain degree). I've had numerous alignments/balances, as stated in my original post. Also, both sets of tires are new and exhibit the same symptoms, as stated in the original post.

It's been an issue more or less since day one, but since I purchased from a dealer connected to my family that was 100 miles away I got sick of racking up the mileage on my brand new car and learned to live with it. Dealer says alignment is within spec and even made fine tunes after I originally said it still wasn't right. They paid for new tires (expensive Michelins). Issue remained.

The issue is definitely worse when going from my winter tires to my summer and then back. This leads me to believe the issue is somewhat correlated to the tires but originating somewhere in the alignment (un-adjustable camber is what I'm leaning towards). All tires are spot on recommended PSI. Lug nuts torqued within spec. It's frustrating to say the least.

I'm going to shop around tire shops this summer and try to get some resolution, aka a tech that gives a sh*t. The Goodyear that I can drop off before I go to work is laughably bad in my past experiences.

 

[Tailwalker]

No offense taken at all...just relaying issues that have caused the same symptoms from previous vehicles.

I know that I had wear issues within the axle spider and basket that caused, for a lack of better word, cavitation. This lead to vibrations at 35-60mph...as did the axle bearings going. I would imagine your vehicle is too new for this to be a cause...I had 120k on the car before this became a major issue.

At any rate, I know what you are going through at least. It's very frustrating to have a vehicle that you enjoy have an issue that your cannot seem to pinpoint and correct impact that enjoyment. Good luck with your search for a remedy.

 

[PMCErnie]

Zielritter, you need to get a case opened/complaint filed with Hyundai and get a Rep to meet with you at your dealership. It's not too late to return your car to Hyundai if they can't fix your problem. We recently read about one member's experience with that. Search for "Philth" and read his last posts here.

 

[zielritter]

Zielritter, you need to get a case opened/complaint filed with Hyundai and get a Rep to meet with you at your dealership. It's not too late to return your car to Hyundai if they can't fix your problem. We recently read about one member's experience with that. Search for "Philth" and read his last posts here.

Thanks, but I'm not really looking for a way out. I love the car otherwise and this post was more of an information gathering mission.

I've read Philth's saga and believe me when I say my car hasn't been nearly that big of a burden. Besides the vibration at highway speeds it's been a trouble free vehicle.

 

[PMCErnie]

Thanks, but I'm not really looking for a way out. I love the car otherwise and this post was more of an information gathering mission.

I've read Philth's saga and believe me when I say my car hasn't been nearly that big of a burden. Besides the vibration at highway speeds it's been a trouble free vehicle.

Choose your poison, but I don't foresee you solving this malady without some divine Hyundai intervention. My '12 3.8 has no such shudder and it would drive me bananas if it did. I can't imagine driving 65+ and putting up with it. You certainly have nothing to lose by opening a case.

 

[ImInPA]

Find a shop that has one of the new Hunter 9700 Road Force match balance machines. They are incredible. They can check your wheels for roundness and can truly minimize the effects of tire pull. I swear by the Hunter Road Force balance machines. Anything else is just an approximation.

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[zielritter]

Find a shop that has one of the new Hunter 9700 Road Force match balance machines. They are incredible. They can check your wheels for roundness and can truly minimize the effects of tire pull. I swear by the Hunter Road Force balance machines. Anything else is just an approximation.

Yup, I actually found one 3 miles from my house. Need to schedule an appointment soon. I've heard great things but I've never actually spent time with a shop that owns one.

 

[Rudderman98]

This is from a prior posting from myself about two years ago.....



Definitely contact Hyundai corporate. I did and now have a case number for this same issue.

FYI. Went in for an alignment for the same issue, just not as severe to a place here in Seattle/Bellevue called Tru-Line Frame and Wheel.
(Washington state Genesis owners take note!)

http://trulineseattle.com/index.html

These techs setup exotics i.e. Ferrari, Lambo, Mercedes, Porsche etc.. vehicles better than spec and set up the vehicle to the way the driver drives. They have been in business since 1962 and there is a reason as to why they have been in business for so long.

What surprised me was what the owner/senior tech asked me before he started work on my car....

"What do you weigh"??

Say what? Reason he asked was to load the drivers seat with the correct amount of weights that equal to what I weigh to better distribute the real weight load in the car. He then asked how often do I have a passenger in the passengers seat? Then he was ready to set up the car to MY specs rather than Hyundai's factory specs.

They were able to dial in my 2011 4.6 to better than spec. It was a night and day difference! But even after they did the alignment, the right pull was still evident. But ever so slightly. Just not as pronounced as before. The owner, who was also the tech who worked on my car attributed it to radial pull. He also noticed that the steering cradle was off and had to loosen it up to get a better than spec reading. Hmm....steering cradle off? I have been through two sets of tires now to solve this issue and will now be getting a third set hopefully eliminating this problem once and for all.

The tires I went with, and PLEASE, lets not start a good tire, bad tire posting war here were....

1. Continental DWS
2. General G-Max AS 03
And for number 3
3. Bridgestone Turanza Serenity PLUS which now has eliminated the issues.

The rear wheel specs were off from the factory and the fronts were a bit off as well. Also.....

So in conclusion, if you have a frame and wheel shop in your area that can set up exotic cars and or been in the alignment business for awhile, and techs who remember watching Perry Mason as a kid, I would suggest a "proper" alignment from them instead of the usual tire shops. I'm not saying all tire shops are bad, just certain ones have more experienced techs who know under car mechanics well.

Oh and BTW, Hyundai never did reimburse me for the tires, time, and alignment bill since I didn't go to one of their dealers for this service.

From the many horror stories regarding alignment issues and the dealers service dept. not correcting the problems after numerous attempts, I took it upon myself to save time and frustration by having the job done right the first time.

For me,that in itself was worth the cost of time and tires.

Good luck!

Rm98

 

[J_J_Okocha]

This is from a prior posting from myself about two years ago.....



Definitely contact Hyundai corporate. I did and now have a case number for this same issue.

FYI. Went in for an alignment for the same issue, just not as severe to a place here in Seattle/Bellevue called Tru-Line Frame and Wheel.
(Washington state Genesis owners take note!)

http://trulineseattle.com/index.html

These techs setup exotics i.e. Ferrari, Lambo, Mercedes, Porsche etc.. vehicles better than spec and set up the vehicle to the way the driver drives. They have been in business since 1962 and there is a reason as to why they have been in business for so long.

What surprised me was what the owner/senior tech asked me before he started work on my car....

"What do you weigh"??

Say what? Reason he asked was to load the drivers seat with the correct amount of weights that equal to what I weigh to better distribute the real weight load in the car. He then asked how often do I have a passenger in the passengers seat? Then he was ready to set up the car to MY specs rather than Hyundai's factory specs.

They were able to dial in my 2011 4.6 to better than spec. It was a night and day difference! But even after they did the alignment, the right pull was still evident. But ever so slightly. Just not as pronounced as before. The owner, who was also the tech who worked on my car attributed it to radial pull. He also noticed that the steering cradle was off and had to loosen it up to get a better than spec reading. Hmm....steering cradle off? I have been through two sets of tires now to solve this issue and will now be getting a third set hopefully eliminating this problem once and for all.

The tires I went with, and PLEASE, lets not start a good tire, bad tire posting war here were....

1. Continental DWS
2. General G-Max AS 03
And for number 3
3. Bridgestone Turanza Serenity PLUS which now has eliminated the issues.

The rear wheel specs were off from the factory and the fronts were a bit off as well. Also.....

So in conclusion, if you have a frame and wheel shop in your area that can set up exotic cars and or been in the alignment business for awhile, and techs who remember watching Perry Mason as a kid, I would suggest a "proper" alignment from them instead of the usual tire shops. I'm not saying all tire shops are bad, just certain ones have more experienced techs who know under car mechanics well.

Oh and BTW, Hyundai never did reimburse me for the tires, time, and alignment bill since I didn't go to one of their dealers for this service.

From the many horror stories regarding alignment issues and the dealers service dept. not correcting the problems after numerous attempts, I took it upon myself to save time and frustration by having the job done right the first time.

For me,that in itself was worth the cost of time and tires.

Good luck!

Rm98

thanks for the recommendation. took my genesis to tru-line today, and now the ride feels great so far. i was having a bit of a pull issue even with the alignment in spec from the dealership. asked my weight and worked their magic