Support for suspension issues

[sandy]

Ladies & Gents. I have read every post under this thread. Each has merit & the individual must be the judge. Did Hyundai miss the mark w/ the suspension set up? I think not, the test data just doesn't support what I am reading in this forum. It simply boils down to a matter of personal preference. In fact, I agree w/ almost every post in this thread, just decide what you want in ride/input/feel. I love the "jittery" feeling -- I call that road feel. Could Hyundai work on "slamming" this car to the road, yes. Could they work on "floating" this car, yes. What you have to decide is what you prefer as a driver. No driver has the same want in a set up. Hyundai knocked it out her w/ a great balance between comfort & feel. I hope they don't change a thing, otherwise it is German developed autos for me all over again. By the way, Lexus still floats.

I pretty much agree with all you've said. Some posters believe a minor suspension tune is in the cards. If so, I wonder what makes them think they will like it better than what they now have??

 

[Mark_888]

I pretty much agree with all you've said. Some posters believe a minor suspension tune is in the cards. If so, I wonder what makes them think they will like it better than what they now have??

I suppose you are insinuating that some of us think the suspension is too stiff, and that if Hyundai only makes minor changes it will still be too stiff. As been stated many times, that simply is not true, and mis-characterization of the complaints about the Hyundai suspension. Although some people may want a "floater" the vast majority of those complaining still want a relatively firm ride.

There are several cars that have a firmer ride than the Genesis, but maintain much better control on rough roads, and are less jittery on roads that are less than perfect. The Car and Driver video review (posted on this site several times) mentioned Infiniti M and BMW as examples.

Making minor changes to the suspension could yield significant improvements, and still maintain the generally firm ride and very good handling characteristics of the Genesis. Apparently HMA is satisfied with the changes ("improvements" as they call them) slated for the 2010 Genesis Sedan, so hopefully customers will be satisfied also.

 

[doug725]

I know many people prefer to boil it down to personal preference rather than an actual design decision by Hyundai that in retrospect may have been rushed or poorly tested. Certainly, if you prefer to oscillate, buck and/or bounce up and down the highway and call it road feel that is your choice. If you wish to pay $30K plus for a large 4-door sedan in which no one wants to ride with you in those large comfy back seats cause it's too bouncy then by all means do so. If you prefer to have rattles develop in your car because of all the bouncing and shaking - great. If you prefer to feel every bump, swell, strip in the road and call it road feel than you will be happy with your purchase. As Mark says and I have noted through test drives, the Infiiniti (for example) has a ride with good road feel without the jittery, bouncing, oscillating, float and suspension clunking. I'm not sure why some seem to have such a hard time admitting that the car needs a tweak. You may like what it does, but it is not in any way normal for a sedan with luxury aspirations. Actually, it's not normal for any car - with the exception of a few other Hyundai models.

 

[sandy]

I know many people prefer to boil it down to personal preference rather than an actual design decision by Hyundai that in retrospect may have been rushed or poorly tested. Certainly, if you prefer to oscillate, buck and/or bounce up and down the highway and call it road feel that is your choice. If you wish to pay $30K plus for a large 4-door sedan in which no one wants to ride with you in those large comfy back seats cause it's too bouncy then by all means do so. If you prefer to have rattles develop in your car because of all the bouncing and shaking - great. If you prefer to feel every bump, swell, strip in the road and call it road feel than you will be happy with your purchase. As Mark says and I have noted through test drives, the Infiiniti (for example) has a ride with good road feel without the jittery, bouncing, oscillating, float and suspension clunking. I'm not sure why some seem to have such a hard time admitting that the car needs a tweak. You may like what it does, but it is not in any way normal for a sedan with luxury aspirations. Actually, it's not normal for any car - with the exception of a few other Hyundai models.

To dramatically put this issue into perspective, of the approx 184 posts in this thread, 85 (or 46%) have been made by TWO People.

 

[Mark_888]

To dramatically put this issue into perspective, of the approx 184 posts in this thread, 85 (or 46%) have been made by TWO People.

Many of those posts were made to counter misstatements made by others.

 

[doug725]

and for discussion/dialouge since I started the thread . I'm actually trying to respond and dialogue with people. Again - if you're happy with the ride and consider it normal, desireable, like butter, etc. then by all means enjoy. I'm not interfering with you in the least. If you're not happy and maybe have some insights/solutions thats why the thread was started.

 

[gcarper]

Things that make you go HUMMMM....

I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion (I agree the suspension needs additional tuning) but I wonder if:

There has ever been a lawsuit against trolling on a blog in order to create Fear Uncertainty and Doubt against a formidable competitor that is eating your lunch.....

Hyundai competitors could employ a FUD plan through a paid third party...

You could prove it the settlement would make the recent LCD price fixing settlement look like a tip... pleaded guilty and agreed to pay a total of $585 million in criminal fines for their role in fixing the price of liquid-crystal display panels.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/technology/13panel.html

With the identity and fund tracking capabilities of companies like Net Enforcers & Choicepoint & others this is very dangerous game with the capabilities that corporations have access to - especially when combined with Law Enforcement.

http://www.netenforcers.com/solutions/fbn.php

http://www.choicepoint.com/government/verification_authentication_gov.html

http://www.cybercrime.gov/


Kinda scary .... anybody got the wave file for X -Files -- play it now....I love conspiracies... I know I Know - wayyyyyy offfff topicccc.

What was this tread about - yes the suspension - I love it - until I hit crappy roads - then I am reminded that I am driving a sport sedan.

 

[Mark_888]

Things that make you go HUMMMM....

I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion (I agree the suspension needs additional tuning) but I wonder if:

There has ever been a lawsuit against trolling on a blog in order to create Fear Uncertainty and Doubt against a formidable competitor that is eating your lunch.....

I suppose you think that Car and Driver, Consumer Reports, Bloomberg, Motor Trend, etc, are part of the conspiracy? The have all made negative comments about the Genesis suspension (in spite of praises for just about everything else in the car). If anything, it is more likely that people connected with Hyundai in some way (including dealers) are trying to quash discussion about this subject and cast suspicion on those who say anything negative. But if you want to investigate me, go ahead and make my day.

The issue seems to get bigger whenever people try to pretend it doesn't exist. Since Hyundai is apparently going to make suspension changes to the 2010 model, I can't believe the number of people who are in complete denial.

 

[mk1]

I suppose you think that Car and Driver, Consumer Reports, Bloomberg, Motor Trend, etc, are part of the conspiracy? The have all made negative comments about the Genesis suspension (in spite of praises for just about everything else in the car). If anything, it is more likely that people connected with Hyundai in some way (including dealers) are trying to quash discussion about this subject and cast suspicion on those who say anything negative. But if you want to investigate me, go ahead and make my day.

The issue seems to get bigger whenever people try to pretend it doesn't exist. Since Hyundai is apparently going to make suspension changes to the 2010 model, I can't believe the number of people who are in complete denial.

Mark, with all due respect, Car & Driver/Bloomberg/Motortrend have all made negative comments for sure and rightly so. I've experienced the harsh ride from time to time yet I'm thrilled with my purchase as my 4.8 Tech exhibits none of the extreme problems this one person has.

BUT - this poster has so grossly overdramatized this issue as far as I'm concerned to the point where trolling certainly comes to mind. It's a shame that anyone who comes here to share in other's experiences may be unduly swayed by the same questionable data. He claims the car is almost undrivable in all circumstances, yet the one time a Hyundai rep gets in the car under similar circumstances, all the problems vanish. Very very questionable, and he has been warned by moderators in the Edmunds forums for this behavoir.

 

[ImInPA]

Mark: You keep offering the magazine reviews as evidence to support the issues in this thread. I believe it greatly reduces your credibility as many of us are capable of reading for comprehension. That you seem to be gleaning a far more nefarious meaning from these reviews makes one wonder if you have other intentions. Even the Video of Csaba Csede and Krafcik, the comment is only that "we think you could do better" with regards to how the Hyundai stacks up against the Infinity M. There is a zealousness in your interpretation of these magazines reviews that is much like "talk radio." For example, The purpose of any tax-cut is to redistribute wealth. Bush wanted tax cuts, Obama wants tax cut. It is disingenuous to say only Obama wants to redistribute wealth when all politicians desire to do so. All depends on where you want the redistribution to go. Each of thes magazines has pretty much criticized every manufacturers suspension when compared with BMW. However, one of them actually whacked the BMW 550i for a harsh and jittery suspension during a "Luxury" car comparo....I remember that the Jag won the comparo. The bottom line is that alll cars can be improved. I for one would rather see Hyundai address the electrical gremlins that are plaguing owners. To me, it is more serious that simply using the electronics can cause your radio to stop working than experiencing a stiff ride over a particular section of road.

As I have said before, I think it is disingenuous of you to use those magazines in support of the extreme problems sited in these threads. Not a single one of those magazines experienced anything like what is being reported here. In fact, one of them made the Genesis COTY.

I agree with the magazines assessment. I do not think the Genesis suspension qualifies the car as a top=shelf sports sedan. I experienced first hand the suspension falling apart in tight cornering over a bumpy back road. This is much different than the issues being brought up here.

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[sandy]

To dramatically put this issue into perspective, of the approx 184 posts in this thread, 85 (or 46%) have been made by TWO People.

Brilliant point Sandy. But to sharpen the numbers, consider that of the 184 posts, let's say aprrox one third or 61 were positive. That would mean of the remaining 123 negative posts, 85 (or 70%) were made by TWO Posters. Perspective, perspective, perspective.

 

[mk1]

Brilliant point Sandy. But to sharpen the numbers, consider that of the 184 posts, let's say aprrox one third or 61 were positive. That would mean of the remaining 123 negative posts, 85 (or 70%) were made by TWO Posters. Perspective, perspective, perspective.

And to also put this into perspective, the majority of people who come to these forums are here to either compalin or ask questions about issues they are having. To the old adage, you rarely see people go out of their way to say they are happy.

 

[Mark_888]

Mark: You keep offering the magazine reviews as evidence to support the issues in this thread. I believe it greatly reduces your credibility as many of us are capable of reading for comprehension. That you seem to be gleaning a far more nefarious meaning from these reviews makes one wonder if you have other intentions. Even the Video of Csaba Csede and Krafcik, the comment is only that "we think you could do better" with regards to how the Hyundai stacks up against the Infinity M. There is a zealousness in your interpretation of these magazines reviews that is much like "talk radio." For example, The purpose of any tax-cut is to redistribute wealth. Bush wanted tax cuts, Obama wants tax cut. It is disingenuous to say only Obama wants to redistribute wealth when all politicians desire to do so. All depends on where you want the redistribution to go. Each of these magazines has pretty much criticized every manufacturers suspension when compared with BMW. However, one of them actually whacked the BMW 550i for a harsh and jittery suspension during a "Luxury" car comparo....I remember that the Jag won the comparo. The bottom line is that alll cars can be improved. I for one would rather see Hyundai address the electrical gremlins that are plaguing owners. To me, it is more serious that simply using the electronics can cause your radio to stop working than experiencing a stiff ride over a particular section of road.

As I have said before, I think it is disingenuous of you to use those magazines in support of the extreme problems sited in these threads. Not a single one of those magazines experienced anything like what is being reported here. In fact, one of them made the Genesis COTY.

I agree with the magazines assessment. I do not think the Genesis suspension qualifies the car as a top=shelf sports sedan. I experienced first hand the suspension falling apart in tight cornering over a bumpy back road. This is much different than the issues being brought up here.

I will comment right up front that the statistical analysis of the posts in this thread are seriously flawed, almost to the point of being laughable. I think there is one or two persons in this forum (I think it is ridiculous to confine any analysis of this subject to this thread alone) have made some very strong comments about the suspension issue. I have not been among them. I have stated basically the same thing as the professional auto media, that the suspension is jittery, and not up to the standards of the rest of the car, which is outstanding in my opinion (other than the suspension). But actually I think that the basic suspension "design" is sound and sufficiently sophisticated (5-way multi-link), and it just needs some "tuning." But without that tuning, I am not a satisfied customer.

I do not regard myself as being particularly picky, and I think many of the complaints on this forum about things like covers for the rear-deck speakers in the trunk are very picky (to be polite). I am sorry, but I completely disagree with you about the seriousness of your audio system problems. Anytime you have new software there are bound to be problems. Those problems will most certainly be fixed as the software gets more mature and upgrades are applied to your system. Unfortunately, it is probably more difficult to change the suspension tuning, which makes it a potentially more serious problem.

Your comments about taxes are very perplexing to me, since people who wish to lower taxes almost always do so to encourage economic growth, not to redistribute wealth. That has occurred with both liberals and conservatives, including JFK, Reagan, and Obama. Redistributing wealth is the purpose of raising taxes (or having an income tax to begin with). But this is way off topic, so maybe we should let this go.

A few people seem to saying that in order to have a firm suspension, or a suspension worthy of sports sedan, you must have a car with a poor ride. Car and Driver correctly pointed out the Infiniti M and BMW 5 have firmer rides and are more of a "sports sedan" than the Genesis, but neither has the same kind of problems on rough roads as does the Genesis.

The nature of the suspension issue may vary from car to car, and from road to road, so I am not going to throw stones at anyone else who thinks the suspension is perfect or it is horrible (even if I don't agree with either of them). Those who disagree with any of the posts in this forum have right to post opposing views, but I would suggest that we stop the personal attacks and innuendo about ulterior motives.

The good news is that Hyundai has fixed the problem for the 2010 model (which apparently means they agree it needed some adjustment). Hopefully current owners will have a chance to get the same adjustments on their cars.

 

[ImInPA]

I called Hyundai to ask if there are any changes to the suspension and audio software for the 2010 model year. They were unaware of any changes. There may be some changes to standard equipment and packages, possibly paint colors. It has been stated here that the suspension will be different. I hope this is true, but without an official statement from Hyundai or even and official acknowledgement from Hyundai that there is a problem with the suspension, I remain skeptical that there are any changes.

 

[Mark_888]

I called Hyundai to ask if there are any changes to the suspension and audio software for the 2010 model year. They were unaware of any changes. There may be some changes to standard equipment and packages, possibly paint colors. It has been stated here that the suspension will be different. I hope this is true, but without an official statement from Hyundai or even and official acknowledgement from Hyundai that there is a problem with the suspension, I remain skeptical that there are any changes.

I am the one who posted that information about 2010 in another thread. It might be best to read that thread before deciding (and so you can also understand why Hyundai would not like that to be known), but I can understand that people might still be skeptical and I have no guarantees myself.

Personally, it would not surprise me if the suspension changes were minor, because that is probably all that is necessary to fix the problem. I certainly do not expect that basic firm nature of the ride to change, nor would I want it to change. It's even possible that some adjustments have already been made in the 2009 manufacturing line (but I have absolutely no information to support that theory and it may not even be possible due to crash testing, etc, already performed on the vehicle).

Other changes for 2010 are rumored to be optional lane change warning system, and active cruise control that will adjust vehicle speed based on the car in front (I say "rumor" to protect the guilty). Just remember where you heard it first. BTW, Please don't call Hyundai and ask them about this, they will (and should) claim ignorance.

 

[BigElm]

They will and sometiimes won't even know until it is "official". As far as their (HMA reps) are concerned, the 2010 MY has not even been spoken about.

 

[johnnybird]

As far as I'm concern, that's the only issue I have with my V6 Genesis is the suspension system. Driving on smooth roads is great, but on bumpy roads its almost like driving a 18 wheeler.

 

[doug725]

Has anyone noticed any affect for better or worse by replacing the OEM tires on 18" rims?

 

[Bear]

I changed to Goodyear's 235/50ZR18 Eagle F1 All Season. No difference in the ride, but I didn't expect a difference. It was a family safety issue.

 

[doug725]

Better traction? I had put Forteras on my Sante Fe and it greatly improved the traction over the OEM Bridgestone tires.