synthetic oil filter? Is there a difference?

[Crusty Old Shellback]

OK, here's a new one on me. I went to get an oil filter for my car just now and I got asked if I was running synthetic or dino oil in the car. I asked why. I was told that there is a different filter for synthetic and dino oil. So of course I asked what the difference was but the gal behind the counter couldn't tell me. I told her that I hadn't planned on running synethtic oil at this time. But I questioned why K&N only made one oil filter for my last car that I was running synthetic in?

So that beggs the question, has anyone heard of a different oil filter for synthetic oil and dino oil? If so, whats the difference or are the manufactures just pulling a fast one on us?

I haven't called my dealership service department yet to see if there is a difference but I may just do that now.

 

[Rich10]

I have never heard of this. The only thing that I can guess is that if you were using synthetic oil, they would have tried to sell you a more expensive filter (i.e., Pure One vs Purolater). There might be some logic there in that if you delay oil changes, you might want a better filter that will also last longer. You should be fine with a regular oil filter.

 

[427435]

A filter that works fine with dino oil will work fine with synthetic.

 

[radicaltimes]

Doesn't matter which one you get. The synthetic filter will filter down to smaller microns of dirt from either oil.

 

[Mark_888]

A traditional oil filter has a filter element made of all (or mostly all) natural fibers (such as some variant of paper made from plants or trees).

A synthetic oil filter has a filter element that is "mostly" made from synthetic fibers, which are more consistent in size and can usually filter out smaller particles.

There is no relationship between using a synthetic oil filter and synthetic oil, other than both generally do a better job than conventional ones. For example, there is no problem using synthetic oil with a conventional oil filter (element made from natural fibers).

However, there are other factors in choosing an oil filter, such as number of square inches of filter material (before folding), anti-drain valve, proper fit (especially important for Genesis), and general quality of construction.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

OK, I found out something really interesting about the oil filter for our cars.

I went to NAPA to get an oil filter for my R Spec. I had a number that I had gotten from the base auto parts store. They didn't have one in stock. They are also the ones who told me there was a different filter for dino oil and synthetic oil.

So I get to NAPA and get the filter. I asked them to look it up just to make sure I had the right one. I had a number for the 2012 5.0 R Spec. (NAPA gold 7029). Well he looked it up on his computer only to find that his computer only went to 2011. I asked him what the number was for the 2011 V8 as they should be the same since it's the same motor. The number he came back with was NAPA Gold 7042. That's odd I thought.

So we got both filters out and compared them. They looked the same. Upon further inspection, I found the numbers on the actual filter cartridge and they were the same. The only difference between the two packages is that the 7029 has a metal washer in the package that the 7042 does not have.

So you can use either filter, just make sure to keep and reuse the metal washer if you use the 7042 filter. I didn't ask the price difference but wonder if there is one.

 

[homeofstone]

Be carful using after market oil filters. There is a TSB that some after market filters cause oil pressure problems which makes the engine knock and can damange the V8 engines.

 

[markn455]

I highly recommend that you only use a Hyundai brand oil filter on your Genesis. Interestingly, I go to "Quick Lane" owned by Ford for my oil changes. In the, they tell me to only use Hyundai branded oil filter on Azera and Genesis. They have had problems using 3rd party filters.


Mark
Ball Ground, GA

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

The filter for the Genny is just a round cartridge that goes into a housing on the car. It's not your old school canister complete unit with a pressure relief valve built it and all.

So I'm not sure how it could cause oil pressure problems unless it got really cloged up and the engine pressure relief valve did not work. And in that case, they had other engine problems not even closley related to the filter.

 

[Mark_888]

The filter for the Genny is just a round cartridge that goes into a housing on the car. It's not your old school canister complete unit with a pressure relief valve built it and all.

So I'm not sure how it could cause oil pressure problems unless it got really cloged up and the engine pressure relief valve did not work. And in that case, they had other engine problems not even closley related to the filter.

It might not be the exact correct size to fit in the housing and make a tight seal at all the proper places. This could happen for a number of reasons, including an aftermarket company trying to use the same filter element for two slightly different housings.

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[Crusty Old Shellback]

The NAPA Gold filter has a korean manufacture on it. We'll see what happens.

They'd have a really hard time not honoring the warrenty if something did go wrong. They can't force you to use their filters unless they pay for them. A little thing called the Moss-Manguson act. (That's mangunson as in Magunson superchargers.)

 

[Mark_888]

The NAPA Gold filter has a korean manufacture on it. We'll see what happens.

They'd have a really hard time not honoring the warrenty if something did go wrong. They can't force you to use their filters unless they pay for them. A little thing called the Moss-Manguson act. (That's mangunson as in Magunson superchargers.)

I have suggested in previous posts (but don't know for certain) that all the Genesis seden oil filters, OEM and after-market, are made by the same company, some for Hyundai and others for third party filter distributors.

The only concern is if one gets an oil filter that is actually not made to fit the Genesis. I actually got such a filter from an incompetent idiot at a Hyundai dealer right after I purchased my Genesis in 2009. This was after he spent at least 5 minutes scanning his computer to find the right part number.

 

[nadel]

The NAPA Gold filter has a korean manufacture on it. We'll see what happens.

They'd have a really hard time not honoring the warrenty if something did go wrong. They can't force you to use their filters unless they pay for them. A little thing called the Moss-Manguson act. (That's mangunson as in Magunson superchargers.)

the NAPA oil filters are, i have long understood, are made by Wix company and are the best one can buy!

 

[Mark_888]

the NAPA oil filters are, i have long understood, are made by Wix company and are the best one can buy!

A large number of their standard filter sizes/models may in fact be made by Wix. But for specialty low-volume filters, it is not likely that every company makes its own.

 

[cglex]

My recollection from owning a German car in the past is that in Europe, green is bigger there than over here and synthetic oil is used to increase the time between "drains" so "extended" drain filters are used with synthetic oils with extended times between "drains." The "extended" drain filter is designed to trap more crud.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

From what I understand with the longer drain interval using synthetic oil is that you change the filter half way thru the oil life.

I haven't heard of any special long drain interval filter.

 

[Gunkk]

I suspect that any filter with significantly more filter medium area would quality (e.g. Purolator PureOne vs. regular Purolator).