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[Shane D]

Similar situation to mine at purchase time....I wanted Black exterior, but everything was cashmere, which would work great for an older generation (imo), but for myself I wanted either black or saddle. My dealership had a Genesis shipped almost 200 miles which had black on black. Glad they were willing to go the distance and get what I wanted, even if the car was not from their dealership.

I tested a black on black. It looks great! However I have been driving black on black for four years and am looking for a change.

 

[TJPark01]

I tested a black on black. It looks great! However I have been driving black on black for four years and am looking for a change.

I can't deal with that color combination any more. WHile it looks the best, it looks this way for about 10 mins, before the car is riddled with dust. I went with silver, now I can't see any dirt, ignorance is bliss...
Have you looked at the Ford Taurus SHO? AWD and pretty impressive performance numbers

 

[scottdk]

I tested a black on black. It looks great! However I have been driving black on black for four years and am looking for a change.

I really liked this color combo after seeing my brothers 2005 Subaru Legacy GT limited when he bought it brand new. I'm surprised how clean the leather stays. I just use leather conditioner every few months on the seats and also have a California Car Duster, but also the mini duster for the interior which works great

Change is good Shane. I went from a tan car with tan interior before the Genesis, so it was time for a big change for me.

 

[Shane D]

I can't deal with that color combination any more. WHile it looks the best, it looks this way for about 10 mins, before the car is riddled with dust. I went with silver, now I can't see any dirt, ignorance is bliss...
Have you looked at the Ford Taurus SHO? AWD and pretty impressive performance numbers

I just couldn't do silver. To me it is like it doesn't have any colour.

I will be checking out the Lincoln version. The SHO looked a bit plain to me and it is even longer than the Genesis will is already longer than my Infiniti. I am really not looking to upsize. If anything, I am thinking about downsizing. Having said that, the Genesis combo of price and power is awfully attractive.

Shane D

 

[Shane D]

I really liked this color combo after seeing my brothers 2005 Subaru Legacy GT limited when he bought it brand new. I'm surprised how clean the leather stays. I just use leather conditioner every few months on the seats and also have a California Car Duster, but also the mini duster for the interior which works great

Change is good Shane. I went from a tan car with tan interior before the Genesis, so it was time for a big change for me.

Change is good as long as it is dark.
I do like the dark blue and a rich red. However if it has to be a cashmere interior I may well end back at black on black.

Shane D

 

[ttsig]

You must be an American.

In Canada, each exterior colour is available with only ONE interior colour choice.

So, red and the dark blue get cashmere interior. The white gets black, IIRC. Etc.

(And our V6 cars don't get the leather dash, etc. Our 2009 V8s, at least, didn't get the ultra premium leather. Our premium V6s without tech get the base sound system instead of the 14 speaker Lexicon. etc.)

Wow, I knew that there were some minor differences between the US and Canadian models, but I had no idea they limited the color combinations so much, or the other equipment for that matter (I knew about the wood trim, heck, I have a base model so I have the wood trim and base stereo too). What's the deal with there being so much less choice? Is it a sheer volume thing?

 

[Shane D]

Wow, I knew that there were some minor differences between the US and Canadian models, but I had no idea they limited the color combinations so much, or the other equipment for that matter (I knew about the wood trim, heck, I have a base model so I have the wood trim and base stereo too). What's the deal with there being so much less choice? Is it a sheer volume thing?

Yes it is based on volume. We are 10% the size of USA. On top of that we spend a lot less on cars. Canada's best selling car us usually a compact or even a sub-compact.
In short we are smaller and poorer (cheaper?).
So when it comes to premium vehicles we get less choice/options. You can really notice the difference on BMW's, MB's and even Infiniti's.
Having said that we usually get a pretty good package price on a loaded model, whereas a lot of times you have to buy all the options or several packages to match in the US.

Shane D

 

[dataguy]

We are 10% the size of USA.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=size+of+the+united+states+versus+size+of+canada



I know, I know, you're talking about http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+the+united+states+versus+the+population+of+canada

 

[VivienM]

Wow, I knew that there were some minor differences between the US and Canadian models, but I had no idea they limited the color combinations so much, or the other equipment for that matter (I knew about the wood trim, heck, I have a base model so I have the wood trim and base stereo too). What's the deal with there being so much less choice? Is it a sheer volume thing?

Less choice is about inventory management. Hyundai, unlike German automakers, really really really doesn't like to do custom ordering, so... in order to make sure there are at least a few of any possible combination floating around, they offer far fewer combinations!

Hyundai's sales stats just came out, and I think they sold ~100 Genesises (Geneses?) in Canada last month. So...

As for the lesser equipment (e.g. the lack of leather dash, ultra premium seats), that's just Hyundai's way of participating in the industry-wide "let's f*** Canadians". The Germans like to charge us way more (let me put it this way: you can lease an Audi S4 in the US for the same monthly payment as an A4 2.0T here), but offer the same features (possibly packaged/grouped in different ways). The Big Three are so desperate for sales anywhere that they tend to treat Canadians with more respect. The Asians usually have a narrower price differential, but they take stuff out. The ES350 "Ultra Premium" doesn't have adaptive cruise control here; it does in the U.S.. The Genesis V6 loses its leather dash. Etc.

But let me put it this way. A 3.8L Genesis sedan with Tech like my dad has has an MSRP of $45K CAD. Before taxes. At today's exchange rate, 1 Canadian dollar = 0.93 cents US. That makes the car "$41.8K" US dollars.

Let me guess, American friends: your 3.8Ls with Tech (with the leather dash we don't get) cost WAY WAY WAY WAY less than $41.8K American dollars, didn't they?

 

[dataguy]

But let me put it this way. A 3.8L Genesis sedan with Tech like my dad has has an MSRP of $45K CAD. Before taxes. At today's exchange rate, 1 Canadian dollar = 0.93 cents US. That makes the car "$41.8K" US dollars.

Let me guess, American friends: your 3.8Ls with Tech (with the leather dash we don't get) cost WAY WAY WAY WAY less than $41.8K American dollars, didn't they?

Less than $37K USD before taxes and fees for 3.8 Tech last April for me.

Is it out of the question to go across the border given that big of a difference? Or is that prohibited?

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[VivienM]

Is it out of the question to go across the border given that big of a difference? Or is that prohibited?

Three problems:
1) There's bureaucracy involved in importing cars. You need to get a pile of paperwork from the US subsidiary of the manufacturer, get the odometer/speedometer replaced with a metric one, get it inspected afterwards, etc. Plus there's duty on non-NAFTA-built cars, etc.

2) You lose the financing options. If you wanted to lease, for example, which seems to me like a good idea on the Genesis (their lease offers in Canada are way better than anyone else's post-Great-Crash-of-Nov-2008, and honestly, who knows what the resale value of the car will be?), you can't do that. Same with the low-interest subsidized financing loans...
Basically, if you don't have cash or something like a HELOC letting you borrow $40K, good luck finding the money to do it.

3) Many manufacturers do not honour warranties on US-bought vehicles up here. Audi is one exception; I don't know about Hyundai. My dad just had his Lexicon amp replaced - dare I ask how much that would cost if he had to pay for the part? On a first model year, new design like the 09 Genesis, again very very risky.

In other words, for $4000, it's not worth it. If we were talking $10,000-12,000 on a German car, it'd be a different story. Hyundai's Canadian pricing really is excellent - a 10-12% difference between US and Canada is amazing (I guess one reason it's so little is because they don't give us the leather dash!). On many German cars, it might be 30-35%.

 

[Shane D]

Three problems:
1) There's bureaucracy involved in importing cars.

2) You lose the financing options.

3) Many manufacturers do not honour warranties on US-bought vehicles up here.

In other words, for $4000, it's not worth it. If we were talking $10,000-12,000 on a German car, it'd be a different story. Hyundai's Canadian pricing really is excellent - a 10-12% difference between US and Canada is amazing (I guess one reason it's so little is because they don't give us the leather dash!). On many German cars, it might be 30-35%.

If you count the exchange rate, duties (about 6.2% on German cars so maybe the same for asian?), shipping the product to you and then meeting Canadian rules it is not really worth it. Especially with warranty issues.

However if you are looking at used, high end luxury cars you will save a FORTUNE and you would be an idiot to buy in Canada.

Shane D

 

[VivienM]

Hmmm, Hyundai has the 2010 info on the Canadian web site. Prices are up ($1500 on the V6 with tech), but it looks like the equipment matches the American cars now:
- V8 car gets the Ultra Premium leather
- premium V6 gets the 14 speaker Lexicon
not sure about the leather dash...

They also dropped a few colours, it seems...