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[glennk]

Volvo uses full-grain leather. They and SAAB do/did this because of the wide temperature variation in Scandanavia that can cause cracking to top grain leather. Genesis uses top grain leather.

 

[carguy75]

Volvo uses full-grain leather. They and SAAB do/did this because of the wide temperature variation in Scandanavia that can cause cracking to top grain leather. Genesis uses top grain leather.

Inscription models uses softer top grain Nappa leather; however it appears too be higher quality than my 2015 Genesis. I do not know about the later Genesis models leather quailty. Volvo models are nice luxury cars when fully optioned out.

 

[glennk]

Yes, they use full-grain leather. Unfortunately, it doesn't make the car ride better or be more reliable.

 

[carguy75]

Yes, they use full-grain leather. Unfortunately, it doesn't make the car ride better or be more reliable.

Yes, soft smooth full grain Nappa leather to be exact. To be honest , I do not know if the newer (2019+)Volvo models is more or less reliable than a newer Genesis. Neither do you; unless you are a clairvoyant.

 

[glennk]

Yes, soft smooth full grain Nappa leather to be exact. To be honest , I do not know if the newer (2019+)Volvo models is more or less reliable than a newer Genesis. Neither do you; unless you are a clairvoyant.

Plenty of websites perform data compilation, showing reliability over time. No psychic abilities here.

 

[carguy75]

Plenty of websites perform data compilation, showing reliability over time. No psychic abilities here.

Older Hyundai(Genesis) models were not the most reliable as well.

The previous generation Volvo models were used from 2008-2018; so Volvo did have some issues during that long production run. Hyundai models were not that reliable during most of that time as well. Hyundai(Genesis) engines did not become reliable until about 2015 for the V6 and V8 engines and 2017 for the 2.0T engines.

Not much long term reliable data available for the 2019+ Volvo models; nor 2019+ Genesis models. Hence, me not understanding how you know which maker would be the most reliable overall with the current generation of cars.

I will now stop comparing Volvo and Genesis models. I like both makes so I will buy either one that I may like at the time.

 

[glennk]

Data collection is available for you to look at at most data aggregator sites. Consumer Reports is one of them. RepairPal is another...and the list goes on. Then there are the car reviewers, like SavageGeese, whom discuss issues ad nauseum.

And yes, Genesis/Hyundai reliability has gotten better year over year. We are all ready seeing preliminary feedback on the newest turbocharged engines.

Google Volvo T5, T6 and T8. T5 is very reliable. T6, as I stated before, has problems with the superchargers going out. T8 has the aforementioned supercharger issues and hybrid system. How do I know? I read posts everywhere....including Edmunds. Most recently, I did a deep dive into a few Volvo fan sites and the same information is being shared above.

Either way, I wish you the best in your next purchase...and, please post updates! Always cool to hear about new cars!

 

[carguy75]

Data collection is available for you to look at at most data aggregator sites. Consumer Reports is one of them. RepairPal is another...and the list goes on. Then there are the car reviewers, like SavageGeese, whom discuss issues ad nauseum.

And yes, Genesis/Hyundai reliability has gotten better year over year. We are all ready seeing preliminary feedback on the newest turbocharged engines.

Google Volvo T5, T6 and T8. T5 is very reliable. T6, as I stated before, has problems with the superchargers going out. T8 has the aforementioned supercharger issues and hybrid system. How do I know? I read posts everywhere....including Edmunds. Most recently, I did a deep dive into a few Volvo fan sites and the same information is being shared above.

Either way, I wish you the best in your next purchase...and, please post updates! Always cool to hear about new cars!

Well, force induction engines does seem to be more prone to issues from most automakers; so not really surprised that Volvo had issues with them in the early models in 2016. Hybrid models are also a minefield as well.

If being honest; I do like the 2019+ S90 Inscription models, but not enough to trade in my Genesis for one.

Note: Most of the negative information about the T6 is for the pre-2019 models from what I can see online. I know because I checked when I considered trading my Genesis in for a 2017 model. Most information states online that the newer T6 models(2017+) are very reliable.

Every forum will have stories of how an engine is unreliable even this forum.

 

[SuperKing]

Not to mention, nobody is going to complain that their engine is working just fine... For every complaint, there's probably hundreds or thousands of cars that don't have the issue.

 

[skipgen]

Not to mention, nobody is going to complain that their engine is working just fine... For every complaint, there's probably hundreds or thousands of cars that don't have the issue.

Yeah... Just like the IMS bearing "issue" w/ early 2000s 911's. Those were like a 2% failure rate - but if a car doesn't have the retrofit, it seriously dings it's value. Strangely enough, it affected lower mileage cars, not ones that were driven regularly over the years.

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[carguy75]

Yeah... Just like the IMS bearing "issue" w/ early 2000s 911's. Those were like a 2% failure rate - but if a car doesn't have the retrofit, it seriously dings it's value. Strangely enough, it affected lower mileage cars, not ones that were driven regularly over the years.

Some issues(defects) usually appear in low mileage cars if the part/engine is faulty; hence why many owners know that their cars dodged a bullet if it goes over 100k miles without any issues.

A couple cars that come to mind with defects that occurs before 100k miles are the older Mercedes V6 and V8 balance shaft(2003-2008), Volvo (Yamaha)V8 balance shaft bearing(2004-2008), KIA/Hyundai 2.0T engine rod bearings(2011-2017)etc. These engines would usually start to have issues before 100k miles; for unlucky owners just after the 60k warranty period(Non-Hyundai/KIA warranties) or if the owner is lucky before the warranty period ended.

 

[joegr]

...KIA/Hyundai 2.0T engine rod bearings(2011-2017)etc. These engines would usually start to have issues before 100k miles; for unlucky owners just after the 60k warranty period(Non-Hyundai/KIA warranties) or if the owner is lucky before the warranty period ended.

My daughter has one of these, a 2012 Sonata (currently at about 175K miles). They extended the warranty for this particular failure (and only this one) to unlimited miles and unlimited time. They did require that she come in and get a PCM update in exchange for this. The update is supposed to detect the failure happening and put the engine in limp mode.

 

[carguy75]

My daughter has one of these, a 2012 Sonata (currently at about 175K miles). They extended the warranty for this particular failure (and only this one) to unlimited miles and unlimited time. They did require that she come in and get a PCM update in exchange for this. The update is supposed to detect the failure happening and put the engine in limp mode.

The same for my old 2014 KIA Optima SXL 2.0T. I got a letter recently that the engine is covered with a lifetime warranty provided that I take it in for an software update. However, I sold the car about 5 years ago.

 

[skipgen]

The same for my old 2014 KIA Optima SXL 2.0T. I got a letter recently that the engine is covered with a lifetime warranty provided that I take it in for an software update. However, I sold the car about 5 years ago.

The same with our 2014 Soul!... I had that done this summer.

 

[carguy75]

The same with our 2014 Soul!... I had that done this summer.

Man, I really liked my old 2014 KIA Optima SXL 2.0T. It was quick, had good gas mileage, and even had a heated steering wheel. My 2015 top of the line Genesis do not have a heated steering wheel.

If I would have known that the engine would be covered for unlimited miles and years for the defect; I probably would kept the car longer. I bought it new and traded it with only about 40k miles. I took a hit on that trade, but the possible engine failure was a deal-breaker for me.

 

[16UltV6Guy]

My 2015 top of the line Genesis do not have a heated steering wheel.

I think the heated steering wheel only came on the AWD models.

 

[skipgen]

Man, I really liked my old 2014 KIA Optima SXL 2.0T. It was quick, had good gas mileage, and even had a heated steering wheel. My 2015 top of the line Genesis do not have a heated steering wheel.

If I would have known that the engine would be covered for unlimited miles and years for the defect; I probably would kept the car longer. I bought it new and traded it with only about 40k miles. I took a hit on that trade, but the possible engine failure was a deal-breaker for me.

I have the same "complaint" about the wife's KIA - Her "!" model (loaded, leather, pano roof etc.) has a heated steering wheel as well. Imagine my chagrin at finding that my 5.0 "Ultimate" did not! I also believe that it has better headlights as well - seems like they are actually LED...

But she doesn't have 420hp...

 

[carguy75]

I have the same "complaint" about the wife's KIA - Her "!" model (loaded, leather, pano roof etc.) has a heated steering wheel as well. Imagine my chagrin at finding that my 5.0 "Ultimate" did not! I also believe that it has better headlights as well - seems like they are actually LED...

But she doesn't have 420hp...

Hence why I will never trade my 2015 Genesis 5.0 for a KIA or Hyundai model with a 2.0T engine.

Yes, those Sonata/Optima/K5 has nice features and peppy engines; however there is nothing like driving a 420hp beast like the Genesis 5.0 if you like performance with the comfort on your drives. No comparison.

My old 2014 Optima SXL introduced me to the great Korean car market; which opened my mind to buying a higher end Genesis. Before the 2014 Optima; I seriously never even considered buying a Hyundai or KIA model.

Korean cars are not perfect, but they are very nicely equipped for the money and very reliable compared to BMW,Ford,GM, and many other makes.

 

[glennk]

bump...
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