Update on GV60 Magma - coming to US market this summer

[noremacnova]

It will be a 2027 model, featuring a "completely reworked chassis" [over and above E-GMP], and will have "extremely limited availability". From KCB:

Genesis USA Confirms 2027 GV60 Magma Launch for Summer 2026 - Korean Car Blog

Genesis USA has officially ignited the countdown for its high-performance sub-brand. In a social media announcement, confirmed that the 2027 GV60 Magma

thekoreancarblog.com

 

[upa]

Sadly with the bigger motors its going to have even less range than the current performance. It really needs a bigger battery and I just don't think they have the space in the current e-gmp skateboard to accommodate that. It might just be me but I can't seem to justify the price premium and get less range. I already have enough power to make my neighbor with a Porsche Macan GTS upset that he can't beat me at the stoplight .
Nonetheless, I don't think they will sell many and to that point I am concerned the GV60 in general might not survive another model year and go the way of the Kia EV6.

 

[Guru0006]

Well I want one and have reserved one already Hoping I see it in June but who knows? Only time I got a car early was my 04 STi. I hadn't heard of any arriving in the States at all and the Peoria dealer called and said your cars here. "Be there in 5 hrs. " and hung up. Had the car on the dyno the next morning.

 

[hurricane7719]

Sadly with the bigger motors its going to have even less range than the current performance. It really needs a bigger battery and I just don't think they have the space in the current e-gmp skateboard to accommodate that. It might just be me but I can't seem to justify the price premium and get less range. I already have enough power to make my neighbor with a Porsche Macan GTS upset that he can't beat me at the stoplight .
Nonetheless, I don't think they will sell many and to that point I am concerned the GV60 in general might not survive another model year and go the way of the Kia EV6.

I'm afraid you may be right. US sales have fallen off a cliff, only a few dozen in Nov and Dec of last year. According to Good Car Bad Car, only 11 in January of this year. Seems like there hasn't been a whole lot of inventory for quite some time, which is maybe the primary driver. You can't sell a car you don't have. Honestly, I think the biggest problem the GV60 has is the Ioniq5.

They've increased the price here in Canada and have really limited selection. One trim level, two colours - that's it. Really makes me wonder what the plan is. It does seem odd to be limiting selection of the 'regular' GV60 and still going full ahead with the Magma. Not to mention using the GV60 as the model to launch the Magma brand. This might make sense if we were expecting an all new platform for 2027, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The 2027s have already launched in Korea. Unless the model is selling so well in Korea that most production is slated for domestic sales?

 

[Zcd1]

The tariff situation in the US threw a major wrench into the product planning works at many manufacturers.

Given the typical multi-year development timeframe for most new cars, it’s a terrible time to be an automaker selling cars not built in the US, like the GV60.

 

[GreyGV60]

Sadly with the bigger motors its going to have even less range than the current performance. It really needs a bigger battery and I just don't think they have the space in the current e-gmp skateboard to accommodate that. It might just be me but I can't seem to justify the price premium and get less range. I already have enough power to make my neighbor with a Porsche Macan GTS upset that he can't beat me at the stoplight .
Nonetheless, I don't think they will sell many and to that point I am concerned the GV60 in general might not survive another model year and go the way of the Kia EV6.

I agree our GV60 is quick off the line, but the Macan GTS can also do 0-60 in 3.7. In terms of handling/performance I think that's where the similarities end and the Macan wins hands down. I've always said that I believe the GV60 is straight line fast, but it's also just a cruiser and not a real performance vehicle.

 

[Lalin]

I agree our GV60 is quick off the line, but the Macan GTS can also do 0-60 in 3.7. In terms of handling/performance I think that's where the similarities end and the Macan wins hands down. I've always said that I believe the GV60 is straight line fast, but it's also just a cruiser and not a real performance vehicle.

Do you take your car to the track and race it? If so, you have the wrong car; otherwise why would you care which car is a second faster to 60 or pulls a tad better in g forces or the like?

 

[GreyGV60]

Do you take your car to the track and race it? If so, you have the wrong car; otherwise why would you care which car is a second faster to 60 or pulls a tad better in g forces or the like?

I don’t, my point is in everyday handing and performance, our cars are quick but not a true “performance” car. They are nice luxury cruisers.

 

[hurricane7719]

The tariff situation in the US threw a major wrench into the product planning works at many manufacturers.

Given the typical multi-year development timeframe for most new cars, it’s a terrible time to be an automaker selling cars not built in the US, like the GV60.

Sure, but that doesn't explain the situation here in Canada. Unless that's strictly due to low sales here. I've had mine 2 years now and have seen only one other GV60 around here.

 

[Zcd1]

US-based outlets’ First Drive reviews have been published:

Car & Driver:
Hot Metal: The 2027 Genesis GV60 Magma Driven

Road & Track:
2027 Genesis GV60 Magma: Things Are Looking Hot

 

[upa]

Sure, but that doesn't explain the situation here in Canada. Unless that's strictly due to low sales here. I've had mine 2 years now and have seen only one other GV60 around here.

Not just you, I was visiting the mothership (Korea) a couple of months ago. I saw tons of Genesis vehicles, lots of Ioniq 5s and exactly one GV60 during my 2 week stay in Seoul. I saw more new Ferraris than GV60s,lol.

I saw the car and driver article estimating 220 miles of range, man that is kind of sad given competitive vehicles with similar performance and specs have EPA ratings above 300 miles. I could be wrong but these are still EVs and range is still kind of a thing.

 

[Zcd1]

Not just you, I was visiting the mothership (Korea) a couple of months ago. I saw tons of Genesis vehicles, lots of Ioniq 5s and exactly one GV60 during my 2 week stay in Seoul. I saw more new Ferraris than GV60s,lol.

I saw the car and driver article estimating 220 miles of range, man that is kind of sad given competitive vehicles with similar performance and specs have EPA ratings above 300 miles. I could be wrong but these are still EVs and range is still kind of a thing.

Ultimate range is much more of a “thing” for non-EV owners than it is for most actual EV owners, IMO. If you can charge at home, unless you drive more than 200 miles a day, range rarely actually matters.

The other thing is that the EGMP platform’s DCFC speed is so fast that a longer road trip often won’t take any longer in one than in an EV with longer range but slower charging…

 

[upa]

Ultimate range is much more of a “thing” for non-EV owners than it is for most actual EV owners, IMO. If you can charge at home, unless you drive more than 200 miles a day, range rarely actually matters.

The other thing is that the EGMP platform’s DCFC speed is so fast that a longer road trip often won’t take any longer in one than in an EV with longer range but slower charging…

200 miles is great in the summer but as I am sure you already know it's as little as 60% of that range during cold winter day. So it's a thing for some of us.

 

[Zcd1]

… So it's a thing for some of us.

(emphasis added)
This is the key phrase.

Because how many people regularly drive more than 120 miles in a typical day? Certainly some do, but that would equate to over 25,000 miles a year, whereas the national average is more like 12,000…

 

[upa]

(emphasis added)
This is the key phrase.

Because how many people regularly drive more than 120 miles in a typical day? Certainly some do, but that would equate to over 25,000 miles a year, whereas the national average is more like 12,000…

For sure you won't get any argument from me about what people think they need and what they actually need. Nonetheless my point remains that Genesis is moving in the wrong direction with range capacity. Instead of trying to make the car more efficient, lighter, lower drag etc and/or offering a larger capacity battery they are willing to accept the compromise of reduced range for higher performance motors and styling. I get there are engineering compromises based on cost but the Magma won't be an inexpensive car and somehow the competition is able to surmount those obstacles at the same price point or less.

The net effect being that despite the fact the Magma has a larger battery capacity( 85 vs 77 kw/hr gross capcity) compared to my 2023 GV60 Performance its EPA rating has dropped to likely 220 or less( based on existing number for Ioniq 5N), from 235 on my performance. Again in real life most of us only charge to 80% as daily and in real life for us up north that is further derated by as much as 40% in the winter so that 220 is looking like 105 miles of range at 80% SOC under worst conditions.

Anecdotally, I have a property that I visit regularly (160 miles roundtrip), summer no problem on home charge but in winter a car that is EPA rated at 220 or less and with a 100% charge prior to departure I would still need to spend an extra $15+ dollars at the only available 50kW DC charger on my route and extra 30-50 minutes of my time depending how preconditioned the battery is and frankly the 5kW resistive battery heater and the current temperature management on the GV60(or any e-gmp vehicle) with ambient at -20C at highway speeds can't keep up and its impossible to reach the optimal goldilocks charge temperature of +20C prior to arrival at a DC charger. My observations suggest the functional limit of preconditioning working properly is having an ambient no colder than -10C at highway speed. The other problem is the e-gmp vehicles have uneven temperature control over the 32 battery modules. I have seen a delta as wide 5-7C between the modules and the charge profile will default to the warmest or coldest cell pack.

 

[PMCErnie]

Sadly with the bigger motors its going to have even less range than the current performance. It really needs a bigger battery and I just don't think they have the space in the current e-gmp skateboard to accommodate that. It might just be me but I can't seem to justify the price premium and get less range. I already have enough power to make my neighbor with a Porsche Macan GTS upset that he can't beat me at the stoplight .
Nonetheless, I don't think they will sell many and to that point I am concerned the GV60 in general might not survive another model year and go the way of the Kia EV6.

Totally agree. They are putting their chips down on the wrong number.

 

[noremacnova]

Adding another review... here is MotorTrend's:

The 2027 Genesis GV60 Magma is Red Hot! We Know Because We Just Drove It

The Korean luxury brand’s first Magma model delivers the performance enthusiasts have waited for without sacrificing the refinement that made Genesis a success.

www.motortrend.com

 

[Zcd1]

...and somehow the competition is able to surmount those obstacles at the same price point or less.

Which competitors are you referring to?