Use Sea Foam?

[rogerroger]

Anybody on here ever used Sea Foam motor treatment to clean their fuel injectors?

 

[Mark_888]

Anybody on here ever used Sea Foam motor treatment to clean their fuel injectors?

Hyundai Fuel Injector Cleaner sold at dealers is the same as Chevron Fuel Injector Cleaner with Techron. That is what I would recommend.

I would never put a product in the gas tank that the vendor says can go either the gas tank or the crankcase.

 

[Sluh]

Do you have any problems? Stuck oil rings? If not, techron is what I dump in a tank of all my cars once in a blue moon. Probably more of feel good thing too.

 

[renojim]

Aside from techron, Berrymans B12 and gumout are good injcetor cleaners.

 

[rogerroger]

No issues as of yet. Dealer was trying to sell me on their fuel induction service.

 

[Mark_888]

No issues as of yet. Dealer was trying to sell me on their fuel induction service.

The fuel injector service is pouring a bottle of Hyundai Fuel Injector Cleaner into your gas tank. You can save a lot of money by purchasing the Cleaner at the Hyundai parts department and pouring it in yourself.

You can save even more money if you buy Chevron Fuel Injector Cleaner at any store that caries auto parts, including stores like Walmart. Costco periodically has it on sale if you can buy 4 at a time.

The Hyundai product is made by Chevron and both are identical, including the same molded plastic container it comes in (but the labels are different). The Hyundai product says it contains Techron, which is a registered trademark of Chevron.

 

[Chef]

Following....

 

[memphiskane]

I think you might have misread what he said there. The fuel induction service is a little more comprehensive comparable to a BG induction service. They run cleaner through the intake under some sort of vacuum to clean (who knows how well it works) the intake runners and valves. I believe they also clean the throttle body and dump in a bottle of techron.

I had it thrown in when picked up my car at 30,000 miles.

There is also the 3M kit out there that I used on my Veloster turbo a couple times. Never pulled the plugs and stuck a camera in there but I figure something needed to be done with these DI engines. I am about to run this one through my r-spec this weekend as I am at about 60,000 miles.

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[Bill K]

Do you buy gas at Tier 1 gas stations???

 

[Mark_888]

I think you might have misread what he said there. The fuel induction service is a little more comprehensive comparable to a BG induction service. They run cleaner through the intake under some sort of vacuum to clean (who knows how well it works) the intake runners and valves. I believe they also clean the throttle body and dump in a bottle of techron.

How do you know they really do all that stuff (anything more than pour a bottle of fuel injector cleaner in the gas)?

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[cane2025]

i use sea foam all the time. I use it on my motorcycle, cars, lawn mower, etc..
I just put some on yesterday since my car has been at the dealer for about two weeks. I like the product but i am not as mechanicaly savy as some of the others here. keep in mind that everyone has their preference in products.

 

[rogerroger]

Do you buy gas at Tier 1 gas stations???

I do only use gas from Tier 1 stations.

 

[memphiskane]

How do you know they really do all that stuff (anything more than pour a bottle of fuel injector cleaner in the gas)?

How do you know they change your oil, or bother to flush the cooling system or brake lines or hell even put the fuel cleaner in the gas tank at all! Come on now, that's kind of a ridiculous question don't you think.

I assume the dealers are in general are trying to rip you off but sometimes offering unnecessary or over the top services. That being said I would also assume unless you get a completely unscrupulous dealer they are at least going to do the work you pay for.

 

[Mark_888]

How do you know they change your oil, or bother to flush the cooling system or brake lines or hell even put the fuel cleaner in the gas tank at all! Come on now, that's kind of a ridiculous question don't you think.

I assume the dealers are in general are trying to rip you off but sometimes offering unnecessary or over the top services. That being said I would also assume unless you get a completely unscrupulous dealer they are at least going to do the work you pay for.

I don't think it is ridiculous.

I have done my own oil changes every time except once, when my car was already at the dealer for a recall. When I asked the service advisor for an oil change, I brought my own oil (Mobil 1) and put a sticker on the oil fill cap that said "use oil in trunk." I told the service advisor if they would use the oil I brought, and he said "sure" and they would give me a discount for bringing my own oil. I asked how the tech would know to use my oil, and he said it was written on the work order.

When my car was ready and I saw the invoice, I noticed that they charged me for the oil and I mentioned it to them. They went away and came back 15 minutes later with the invoice corrected. It was obvious that they did not use my oil the first time, and not sure what they did to fix that. Even if they changed the oil using my oil the 2nd time, I would bet a lot of money they did not change the oil filter again.

Of the oil I supplied, they only used the 5 quart jug (my car takes 5.5 quarts) and did not open the 1 quart container they left in the trunk. It is possible that they just removed my 5 quart jug of Mobil 1 oil from the trunk, and didn't do anything, since they never admitted any mistake, except a mistake on the invoice.

When I got home, I checked the oil level, and it was about 1 quart too high. Given the uncertainty involved as to whether they used the Mobil 1 I supplied, I did another oil change myself right then using Mobil 1.

The incompetence and/or dishonesty of some (not all) car dealers is alarming. I try and avoid taking my car to a Hyundai dealer unless it is required. I have had better luck with Toyota dealers.

A lot of Hyundai dealers (according to members who have posted in this forum) have declined to replace fuel filters on the Genesis, because they don't trust their own mechanics to do it properly, and there is a lot of liability involved if they screw it up and enable a gas leak or something. They just say it doesn't ever need to be changed, even though the owner's manual says otherwise.

I usually don't replace the brake pads until I hear the warning sound that indicates they are worn, so kind of hard for them to not replace pads and me not notice that. Plus, I think a dealer is less likely to mess around with a safety issue.

I suspect that many of these issues are specific to certain employees, and not necessarily the dealer management, but Hyundai dealers don't have the best paid techs or service advisors compared to even Honda or Toyota.

 

[memphiskane]

I'm not trying to get into a pissing match here with you or anything but that exactly what I had said before. There are dealers with bad service techs out there. Sounds like you found one of them. There are people that are bad at they do or lazy though in all walks of life, hell look at Walmart. I swear the one by me is a breeding place for that type of person. Although I do like there tire dept, anything 17 inch and under they have never done me wrong on. Don't know if i would trust their machines for anything bigger.

Like you I perform all of my own work, aside from warranty work. Not because I don't trust them but because I cant justify paying the horribly high dealer hourly charge for mostly simple stuff. Also that being said there is only one dealer in my area with a Genesis/Eqqus master certified tech. Its out of the way to take there for warranty work but those guys know the cars in and out from what I understand. I would assume that dealers that do not have those techs would turn down certain work for fears of damaging something way more expensive, like the fuel filters you mentioned earlier.

Even then I will usually speak with the mechanic directly just to be clear about all work he did and anything he might have seen while he was in there (just had the starter replaced under warranty last week).

Most dealer mechanics are pretty honest, if they weren't the majority of people out there wouldn't keep going back to them. Out of maybe 60 people in my dept at work I am one of three that works on his own vehicles. Almost all of them take there cars to the dealers for maintence and repairs. If there were a lot of problems with the dealers don't you think that word would get out and nobody would use them all over the country. Dealers would be going out of business left and right.

On these forums you don't really see people praise the dealers for good work, well lets call it correct work. We only see problems because they are looking to rant or for help. Also that being said the people on these forums are probably such a small cross section of dealer customers that we wouldn't even register as a percentage point of the total amount going to them.

Back to they guy who asked for help with the Seafoam. Like I had said the induction service is out there. I have used it before once couldn't tell you if it made a difference since I had it done before I bought the car (used at 28000 miles). You could also look up the BG induction fuel service cleaning. Its a very similar service that a lot of non Hyundai dealers use as well as many indy mechanics, it will usually cost you a bit more though. Myself I use the 3M kit which I have a feeling is not as strong as the others but the cleaning intervals on that stuff is much shorter if I remember right.

 

[Mark_888]

Most dealer mechanics are pretty honest, if they weren't the majority of people out there wouldn't keep going back to them. Out of maybe 60 people in my dept at work I am one of three that works on his own vehicles. Almost all of them take there cars to the dealers for maintence and repairs. If there were a lot of problems with the dealers don't you think that word would get out and nobody would use them all over the country. Dealers would be going out of business left and right.

Most? Yes, I agree with that, but "most" is not good enough for me. However, as I mentioned above, I never had a problem with a Toyota or Honda dealer. But I don't trust my Hyundai dealer due to reasons I explained.

Having read this forum since January 2009, the number of other members who have had problems with dealer oil changes is alarming IMO. The number of reported problems is too high, even if only those who have had problems have posted about them.

About the only maintenance I personally can do is to change my oil, engine air filter, cabin filer, and top off brake fluid, radiator fluid, and washer fluid. For anything else I don't have much choice but to take it to a dealer. Prior to owning my Genesis I would sometimes take my car to an oil change shop (but never a chain like Jiffy Lube) where I could watch them do it, to be sure they used the correct oil.

Unfortunately, on the Genesis, the oil change procedure and oil filter are somewhat unique, and most techs at independent oil change shops probably have never changed the oil on a Genesis (and they probably don't stock the correct oil filter), so if I was not able to change the oil myself, I would take it to a dealer. But if I asked for synthetic oil, I would have way of knowing what oil they really used (even if it was an honest mistake).

The only other thing my dealer has done on my car are two recalls and one warranty repair. The first recall was to replace the brake fluid with DOT-4. When I got the car back, the brakes barely worked, and later I noticed they must have let brake fluid get on some of my calipers when bleeding the system since the paint came off on one of them.

The second recall was to adjust the rear brake light activation sensitivity (when touching the brake pedal), and I have not noticed any problem with that one. The warranty repair was to fix the drivers seat where some plastic pieces that had come loose on the bottom, and they did a good job on that.

 

[Audio]

Unfortunately, on the Genesis, the oil change procedure and oil filter are somewhat unique,

Actually it's not unique at all.... If you mean the filter location, it's not odd or unique at all. If you mean the oil filter type, it's also not odd at all. BMW has been using cartridge filters since at least the 80's, and most manufacturers who have switched to them, did so 10+ years ago. The specific part number may not be in stock easily at a small time lube or repair shop, but neither the filter type, nor the oil change procedure(remove skid plate, remove filter, drain oil, replace filter and plug, fill oil) is unique in any way at all.

I would not fear taking my car to a shop if I was not mechanically inclined, just on the basis of the filter type or oil change procedure. I think most people here seem to be very mislead that the Genesis is some delicate baby unicorn with all proprietary methods, parts, and designs from most cars on the road. That is not the case at all. It's just a nicer fit and finish than your every day Sonata, it's not built differently.

 

[Audio]

For example: I bought my used Genesis from a Ford dealership. The sunroof motor/track needed to be replaced, and brakes needed to be flushed and bled. They ordered the entire sunroof assembly from Hyundai, did the brakes and sunroof repairs with absolutely no hiccups aside from waiting for the parts to be shipped. Brakes are perfect, sunroof is perfect, all peripheral parts that needed to be removed to do the sunroof fit, line up, and reattach just fine. Can't even tell they were in there. And I'm willing to be the tech at a Ford dealership has not replaced a sunroof assembly on an 09 Genesis before.

 

[Mark_888]

Actually it's not unique at all.... If you mean the filter location, it's not odd or unique at all. If you mean the oil filter type, it's also not odd at all. BMW has been using cartridge filters since at least the 80's, and most manufacturers who have switched to them, did so 10+ years ago. The specific part number may not be in stock easily at a small time lube or repair shop, but neither the filter type, nor the oil change procedure(remove skid plate, remove filter, drain oil, replace filter and plug, fill oil) is unique in any way at all.

I would not fear taking my car to a shop if I was not mechanically inclined, just on the basis of the filter type or oil change procedure. I think most people here seem to be very mislead that the Genesis is some delicate baby unicorn with all proprietary methods, parts, and designs from most cars on the road. That is not the case at all. It's just a nicer fit and finish than your every day Sonata, it's not built differently.

First, I said "somewhat unique." I am sorry you don't agree but I believe I am statistically correct in terms what oil change shops see on a daily basis.

Second, I don't want anyone doing an oil change on my car who has not done one on the same model car previously. Due to the limited number of Genesis sedans, and the fact that most owners take it to a dealer, I would bet that a lot of techs at oil change places (many of them high school kids) have not changed the oil on a Hyundai Genesis sedan.

Third, many don't have the correct filter in stock, and even if they did, it is probably a cheap version that doesn't meet OEM specs (most of the good after-market ones are identical to the OEM, but they cost too much for an oil change place to justify).

Lastly, just reading the experiences of members on this forum, talking about how dealers have messed up their panels beneath the car and/or not replaced them correctly, I would be leery about letting a oil change shop mess with my car.

Now, if one can find a quality independent mechanic, who is not a high school kid working for Jiffy Lube, that might be a good way to go. For now, I change my own oil because I want it done right with high quality oil and the OEM filter.