What an absolute CLUSTER F%^& - 2012 R-spec

[iSOBigD]

I really feel like a lot of hate is directed at Hyundai, the car maker, when it's mostly issue with your local Hyundai dealer, which have nothing to do with the car maker. I could own a dealership and offer shit service too.

I'm about to do do my first maintenance tomorrow and I'm lucky enough to have a choice between 5 or so local Hyundai dealerships, which means I didn't have to go with the one I bought it from, who wanted $100 + tax for an oil change when the one closest to me asked for $45. I really hope this service issue is a non-issue for those of us living around hundreds of garages and dealerships.

 

[Huddleston]

I did not imply which is the direct cause or which is ancillary cause. I think you are being overly sensitive and paranoid.

The fact that you linked the occasional redline to the engine failure is what is troubling. I think your thought that I'm being sensitive and paranoid is just you being sensitive and paranoid.
I seriously doubt the occasional hard acceleration or launch contributed anything to this case even with the early issues with this engine.

 

[Rysher8]

I'm with Mark888. He posted a very reasonable response simply mentioning hard driving as one thing to consider, and got pounced on. There are many factors that can lead to engine wear (as Mark pointed out) but hard aggressive driving is absolutely one of them.

 

[Bill K]

With the OP having so many failures in the first three years, it increases my chances of having a trouble free car for the first 10 years.
If it was me, I'd get rid of the car before the warranty runs out on the Nav/radio head unit (unless the OP has an extended warranty)

 

[Mark_888]

I seriously doubt the occasional hard acceleration or launch contributed anything to this case even with the early issues with this engine.

Having read just about all the posts concerning the early 2012 engine problems (and most of the other posts since I joined this forum in Jan 2009), most just noticed excessive oil usage and not engine failure, so I would respectfully disagree.

 

[Huddleston]

Having read just about all the posts concerning the early 2012 engine problems (and most of the other posts since I joined this forum in Jan 2009), most just noticed excessive oil usage and not engine failure, so I would respectfully disagree.

congratulations on being here for 6 years.

You are saying if our sample size is two engines, and one engine was driven conservatively for 56,000 miles, never approaching redline, and the other was driven the same way, except it had a handful of quick accelerations, that the latter is more likely to blow up?

We are talking about a guy that pushed the accelerator down hard less than 10 times.

The known issues with the engine are the root of the failure, not the fact that the OP accelerated quickly a few times.

 

[Murdoch1]

Since I started this thread, I've had the chance to read through the threads available on here in a lot more detail.

Here is my new suspicion on the Spun rod bearing... if you take into account the unusual consumption of oil for the Rspec engine and the fact that it went on for 45,000 miles; my assumption is that between oil changes it dropped to some sub-critical level and damaged the bearings, thus leading to the spun rod bearing. It also explains why there was virtually NO push back on replacing the short block, no questions about oil changes, maintenance, nothing. Hyundai KNEW why this motor was trashed, and it had nothing to do with the way I was driving it.

Again, I reiterate, I WANT to love this car. I really enjoy driving it, I came from a Chrysler 300 SRT8, and its on par with it.

There is a LONG list of things that have gone wrong with the car since I owned it, and this last little tidbit takes the cake. Again, the dealership had my car for a month, and when I got it back the stuff I asked them to do wasnt done, and noticed on the way home, the adaptive cruise warning light was on again too...

I'm glad that there are a number of owners that are very happy with their cars, and have had no issues. I wish them the best of luck.

Me, I'm gonna go spend some money on something a little more reliable. I've always wanted a 1969 C10 with a straight six 250 and AM pushbutton radio. cant kill it, and there aint nothing to go wrong I cant fix on the side of the road with a crescent wrench, a screw driver and duct tape.

 

[Mark_888]

congratulations on being here for 6 years.

You are saying if our sample size is two engines, and one engine was driven conservatively for 56,000 miles, never approaching redline, and the other was driven the same way, except it had a handful of quick accelerations, that the latter is more likely to blow up?

We are talking about a guy that pushed the accelerator down hard less than 10 times.

The known issues with the engine are the root of the failure, not the fact that the OP accelerated quickly a few times.

I don't know where you got the sample size of "two engines." That is so absurd I will not even respond.

I also don't know how you determined that OP "pushed the accelerator down hard less than 10 times."

 

[Huddleston]

I don't know where you got the sample size of "two engines." That is so absurd I will not even respond.

I also don't know how you determined that OP "pushed the accelerator down hard less than 10 times."

The intention was to compare two engines: one being driven in the way I described in the previous post and the other being driven the same way with the only difference being an occasional hard acceleration - obviously for a statistical analysis your size would be larger.

the OP said himself the car was not abused and the car was not tracked, launched or taken to a dragstrip, so you can pick a number at which the hard acceleration would be an issue.

if we took a poll given the diction in your initial response, I bet majority of members would agree that what you communicated was that his "shaming" of other cars was what you were blaming for the blown engine with the known issues being a contributing factor.

 

[landtuna]

I've always wanted a 1969 C10 with a straight six 250 and AM pushbutton radio. cant kill it, and there aint nothing to go wrong I cant fix on the side of the road with a crescent wrench, a screw driver and duct tape.

AND you can kill every mosquito in the county when you start 'er up.

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[dmitriylm]

I'm with Mark888. He posted a very reasonable response simply mentioning hard driving as one thing to consider, and got pounced on. There are many factors that can lead to engine wear (as Mark pointed out) but hard aggressive driving is absolutely one of them.

In many cases hard driving actually leads to a more reliable engine than one that is driven timidly.

 

[Mark_888]

In many cases hard driving actually leads to a more reliable engine than one that is driven timidly.

During engine break-in, that is correct. However, "hard driving" should still stay below 4000 RPM according to Hyundai.

 

[Mark_888]

The intention was to compare two engines: one being driven in the way I described in the previous post and the other being driven the same way with the only difference being an occasional hard acceleration - obviously for a statistical analysis your size would be larger.

the OP said himself the car was not abused and the car was not tracked, launched or taken to a dragstrip, so you can pick a number at which the hard acceleration would be an issue.

if we took a poll given the diction in your initial response, I bet majority of members would agree that what you communicated was that his "shaming" of other cars was what you were blaming for the blown engine with the known issues being a contributing factor.

My comment about being on this forum a long time, and reading most all of the posts about those with early 2012 engine problems was that, although many experienced high oil consumption, very few experienced engine failure. So the sample size was more than 2.

I have no idea what you are talking about with regard to shaming. If someone is ashamed, please don't blame me.

 

[T_D_Diggs]

Ugh..... Here we go again......

 

[Huddleston]

i dropped it. We disagreed on one thread and probably agree on others.

Mark has been here for a long time and I will be as well.

No big deal.

 

[blkgenRspec]

I've been racing cars for 17 yrs. At the track and on the street. To say a motor will break because he runs the car hard at time is just idiotic in my opinion. Every car I've owner has made it to 200k miles or above. Dating back to my 1995 Hyundai Sonata. Its "not" how hard you drive a vehicle at times. The motor is built to run to perform etc. It's more about how well you maintain the motor. If you drive hard then you better maintain that motor in sync with how you drive. Unfortunately The 2012 rspec has well documented problems with buring oil due to bad rings. I have 70k miles on my 2012 rspec and it drives like new. It has been tracked twice without issues or missing a beat. No matter how this man drove/drives his vehicle the fact remains there are issues related to motor failure from the factory. To say it's because he drove it hard at times that lead to failure is stupid. With bad rings the motor was going to fail no matter if he drove hard or slow. If he's bruning oil and didn't realize it or wasn't aware of these problems. The motor would've still blown due to little to no oil in the block.

 

[blkgenRspec]

This guy was simply venting on this forum and I honestly feel for the guy. The listed issues he's having would have me upset as fed up as well. If you don't agree with him, fine it's a free country. Why attack him and his driving habits??

 

[EXBMWGUY]

I had a July 2011 build date on my 2012 R-Spec. I happily drove it 60,000 miles, going deep into the right pedal/tach problably 3-4 times every day. It burned less than one quart every 6,000 OCI and I got a very good trade-in price for it this past August. The problem with rings didn't have as much to do with driving patterns as it had to do with manufacturing inconsistencies and poor vendor quality control by Hyundai.

Your car sounds like a lemon, whether it qualifies as a "legal" lemon or not. That depends on your state laws. It also sounds like a real exception rather than the norm. The dealership experience is another dediciency with Hyundai. Dealer quality is not consistent. My dealer was stellar.

 

[Murdoch1]

Update - I still haven't gotten a call about the replacement gear shift knob from the dealer (they asked me to bring it back to fix all the other stuff when it came in.) It's been since NOVEMBER 4, 2015 which makes it seven weeks, and still, no joy. Driver side window switches still stick the windows up / down intermittent, and the console mode change buttons still don't work.

It's funny, engine replacement... smooth as glass, two weeks. "Normal" problems...weeks and weeks.

For everyone's information, it's HUB Hyundai on 290 in Houston.