What do you want the Hyundai Genesis Sedan to be?

[Sal Collaziano]

What do you want the Hyundai Genesis Sedan to be?

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I chose premium luxury sedan. I'm tired of cars feeling like BMWs. I want a more luxurious experience. A high tech Lincoln Town Car or Lexus LS, to be honest. Not a BMW 7-Series. But that's just me...

 

[gentau]

I opted for Premium Luxury Sport Sedan. My definition of "sport" may vary from yours, though. I don't need a tightly sprung, stiff chassis to fling around corners and rip through the twisty curves. My idea of sport is an occasional trip to the drag strip for a few passes through the 1/4 mile. If the Genesis can provide an engine and drive train that allows me to do that on the weekends while enjoying a luxury ride during the rest of the week, I will be happy.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I get the feeling we're going to find the Genesis getting 0-60 times in the high 5s. The 300C does it in 5.4 and I think the G8 is about the same. I don't foresee the Genesis being that competitive. I'm not sure there will be enough torque... Still, 0-60 in anything under 6 seconds is impressive...

 

[gentau]

I get the feeling we're going to find the Genesis getting 0-60 times in the high 5s. The 300C does it in 5.4 and I think the G8 is about the same. I don't foresee the Genesis being that competitive. I'm not sure there will be enough torque... Still, 0-60 in anything under 6 seconds is impressive...

Yes, the Genesis does give up something in terms of engine torque. I'm hoping that the extra gear in the Genesis will help even things up at the rear wheels, though. The advertised weights of the G8 (3995 lbs) and the Genesis Sedan (4006 lbs) are very similar. Early track results of the G8 GT are showing mid-13 sec ETs for the 1/4 mile for unmodified cars. The G8 GXP is supposed to be released with the more powerful LS3 engine later this year, so that will be a different ball game altogether.

Bench racing rarely tells the tale, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. The Genesis will definitely be behind the power curve as far as availability of after market performance pieces for the new Tau V8.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I think it might be better for Hyundai to focus more on luxury than sportiness as far as the Genesis is concerned. Let it be a very luxurious car that's also very powerful. Because it's not a very powerful car that's also luxurious (if you know what I mean).

In other words, it's going to be more competitive as a luxury car than a sports car...

 

[GrandPrix08]

The G8 GXP is rumorred to have the 6.0 liter V8 pulled from Corvette, so I don't think it will place the car in the same league in terms of pricing, and I think they pretty much confirmed that the GT's 0-60 time as 5.3.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The G8 GXP is rumorred to have the 6.0 liter V8 pulled from Corvette, so I don't think it will place the car in the same league in terms of pricing, and I think they pretty much confirmed that the GT's 0-60 time as 5.3.

Well, the Hyundai Genesis isn't going to be that.... The Lexus LS460 does 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and has all the luxuries you can imagine. THAT's the kind of car I think the Genesis should be. Not so much sporty, but luxurious (and powerful).

 

[gentau]

The G8 GXP is rumorred to have the 6.0 liter V8 pulled from Corvette, so I don't think it will place the car in the same league in terms of pricing, and I think they pretty much confirmed that the GT's 0-60 time as 5.3.

The GM lineup of engines tends to get somewhat confusing since the same basic block can have different variations of cylinder heads and induction systems.

The 2008 G8 GT has the 6.0 liter L76 engine and is rated at 362 hp.

The Corvette uses the 6.2 liter LS3 engine and is rated at 430 hp.

The 2009 G8 GXP will also use the 6.2 liter LS3; but is only rated at 402 hp. It is unknown if GM has intentionally detuned the engine for the GXP; or if the lower hp rating is a result of the difference in exhaust systems between the G8 and the Corvette. Pricing for the G8 GXP has not been announced; but has been estimated to be in the upper thirties.

For comparison purposes, my 05 GTO came with the 6.0 liter LS2 engine and was rated at 400 hp. This engine is being phased out of the GM lineup.

Well, the Hyundai Genesis isn't going to be that.... The Lexus LS460 does 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and has all the luxuries you can imagine. THAT's the kind of car I think the Genesis should be. Not so much sporty, but luxurious (and powerful).

Exactly right with the luxurious and powerful comment. I believe that the car will have the potential to be both. I prefer 1/4 mile times as a measure of performance over 0-60 times; but that info isn't yet available for the Genesis. Hyundai has continuously stated that 0-60 times will be under 6 seconds.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

It's definitely important how well it breathes up in the higher RPM range. I'm curious about 1/4 mile times as well...

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[GrandPrix08]

Yeah, well, we will all find out sometime in June or July when the cars finally gets here, or, if any magazines/medias are lucky enough to get a hand on the car beforehand and do the early road-tests and releases the info, which they do sometimes.

 

[Michael_S]

Yes, the Genesis does give up something in terms of engine torque. I'm hoping that the extra gear in the Genesis will help even things up at the rear wheels, though. The advertised weights of the G8 (3995 lbs) and the Genesis Sedan (4006 lbs) are very similar. Early track results of the G8 GT are showing mid-13 sec ETs for the 1/4 mile for unmodified cars. The G8 GXP is supposed to be released with the more powerful LS3 engine later this year, so that will be a different ball game altogether.

Bench racing rarely tells the tale, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. The Genesis will definitely be behind the power curve as far as availability of after market performance pieces for the new Tau V8.

The G8 GT (the trim with the 362 horsepower V8) has a 6 speed automatic, just like the Genesis. As you already noted, it is track testing with very good times. I would love to see the Genesis V8 keep pace, but I doubt it. The other shocker was the G8 GT's braking distance. The stop from 60 mph was 109 feet, which is exceptionally good.

But I think the G8 V6 is a much more accessible target with respect to sportiness for the Genesis V6. The G8 V6 has 255 horsepower and a 5 speed automatic, versus the Genesis 3.8's estimated 290 horsepower and a 6 speed automatic. On paper, that's an easy win for Hyundai on speed and possibly a match on economy.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I think the Genesis lacks the torque to keep up with the G8 GT. It wouldn't be embarrassed in a race, however.

 

[GrandPrix08]

Actually, I woundn't put the two together in a comparison. Sure, the price will be similar and the powerplant will be comparable as well, but I see them as 2 different animals. Hyundai Genesis is geared more towards luxury, while G8 is strictly a performance car. It is like comparing a buick against the similarly priced sports coupes of the similar size.

Although the Genesis is classified as a sports sedan, I feel that they are focusing more on comfort, and luxury to go with the European luxo-boats, or near luxurys from Europe.

I don't think it's a fair comparison between the two. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's the same league of cars. The G8 will win by a TKO when it comes to performance, I think, since I also think Genesis is a heavier animal than the G8 is.

 

[Michael_S]

Actually, I woundn't put the two together in a comparison. Sure, the price will be similar and the powerplant will be comparable as well, but I see them as 2 different animals. Hyundai Genesis is geared more towards luxury, while G8 is strictly a performance car. It is like comparing a buick against the similarly priced sports coupes of the similar size.

Although the Genesis is classified as a sports sedan, I feel that they are focusing more on comfort, and luxury to go with the European luxo-boats, or near luxurys from Europe.

I don't think it's a fair comparison between the two. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's the same league of cars. The G8 will win by a TKO when it comes to performance, I think, since I also think Genesis is a heavier animal than the G8 is.

Actually, the Genesis V6 is about 100 pounds lighter than the G8 V6, and the official weights for the Genesis V8 and the G8 GT are less than 20 pounds apart.

The base prices are very similar, too. So I would say that at the top end, with all options, the Genesis V8 is going to be much more of a luxury car than the G8 GT. It has a lot of luxury features the G8 doesn't even have as options.

But for base trim levels, I think it's fair to compare them directly. V6s, rear wheel drive, very similar interior and exterior size, very similar weights, presumably similar fuel economy and performance.

I would certainly cross shop the two, if I could afford it. If the Genesis seemed like an incredible amount of luxury for $29,000 compared to the G8 V6, or the G8 V6 seemed like it was tremendously more sporty than a Genesis V6 for the same price, that would swing my purchase either way.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I think we've discussed this before. Yes, the Genesis is going to cater more to luxury car buyers. Isn't it a "Luxury Sport Sedan" over a "Sport Sedan"? I do believe so. And make no mistake, Hyundai isn't looking to have the Genesis compared with "near" luxury vehicles. They're going for the gusto here...

 

[ronreal]

I hope that they'll sell the new Genesis V6 fully-loaded, except for HTRAC (don't want it or need it--living in So. Cal) for about $45k. I just want the V6 with the Premium and Tech package like they have now. I hope that they'll package it that way. How soon after its released will the selling price come a little off sticker? I usually wind up paying sticker, but have the dealer include tax in the price (about 8% off the price that way). Any thoughts?

 

[Mark_888]

Pretty sure they will have it, but not sure about price.
I just want the V6 with the Premium and Tech package like they have now. I hope that they'll package it that way. How soon after its released will the selling price come a little off sticker? I usually wind up paying sticker, but have the dealer include tax in the price (about 8% off the price that way). Any thoughts?

Pretty sure they will have it, but not sure about MSRP. Probably a few thousand more than before. Actually selling price is up to the dealer and obviously depends on customer demand, competition, and supply. You can get way more than 8% off on a 2013/2014, but 2015 is going to be a whole new ballgame and no one knows what kind of discounts can be obtained from dealers.

 

[gameday22]

I think we've discussed this before. Yes, the Genesis is going to cater more to luxury car buyers. Isn't it a "Luxury Sport Sedan" over a "Sport Sedan"? I do believe so. And make no mistake, Hyundai isn't looking to have the Genesis compared with "near" luxury vehicles. They're going for the gusto here...

Anyone who has ever commented on my Genesis has thought it to be a luxury sport sedan. It's definitely a fun car to drive and this being my 2nd one since 2010 I can say it still makes me smile each day. At least a few times a week I find myself in a conversation with another car enthusiast and not one person ever thought it was anything but a great looking car. Kind of nice even after the car being in the states now for a few years that most people are still surprised when you tell them it's a Hyundai....so just imagine when the new one gets here lol

I agree that this Genesis is going to be a lot better all around then the current generation, which was neglected from a technology/safety standpoint over the last few years. While they have made a few changes/improvements it's been behind in a few areas since day one. The one thing that still amazes me is no blind spot monitoring, not even in the 2014's.... other companies have had it in non-luxury vehicles since 2010.


Why does Hyundai still feel the need to dumb down the technology for the U.S. market? Take for instance the blinker not being integrated into the DRL, the one in the U.S. version of the car is nowhere near as nice looking and definitely not as bright/noticable as the Korean version. Same thing with the fog-lights being non-led in the V6 model.

Is the car already in mass production for the U.S. market and being shipped to ports, or is that still a month or so off? If not being massed yet hopefully they will listen to the initial feedback and make some last moment changes in the design.....that would truly be nice to see.

 

[ShadowZ]

I don't know if it was an option on any of the newer models but I would love it if it had an electronic adjustable suspension with at least two settings; One for family trips, one for on/off ramps.