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What grade of gasoline do you use?

What grade of gasoline do you fill up with?

  • Cheap Stuff (87)

    Votes: 137 58.3%
  • Mid Grade (88-89)

    Votes: 19 8.1%
  • High End (91-93)

    Votes: 74 31.5%
  • I mix my fuel (ie half a tank of high test and half a tank of mid)

    Votes: 5 2.1%

  • Total voters
    235
I have been told that in engines which automatically retard the timing to adjust for the grade of octane, it is important to select the grade you prefer and then use that grade consistently. That avoids having the engine control module constantly adjusting to varying octane levels.
 
Just bought a new 2011 4.6. Car came with a full tank of Reg unleaded. I decided to put 93 octane in on first refueling and definitely notice a difference in power! Much more responsive. Wish it weren't true. Also, mpg are running at 22 so far with 18.5 on 1st tank. Will wait on the refill to confirm. But I have had more stop and go driving with this tank at the half way point. Again, wish it weren't so. It's a lease so I would be happy to use lower octane, but the performance gain is something I don't want to miss!
 
In my 2009 4.6 I can't tell much of a difference. Now in the 2012 R model which will be out in July with a 5.0 liter and significantly more horsepower and torque, I'm wondering if they will recommend 93 octane and skip the part that you can use regular if you really want to.
 
Hyundai has already said on the ThinkTank that the R-Spec will be able to run on regular as well as high test. Hyundai said that they would be issuing horsepower ratings for both fuel grades in the near future.
 
i use the cheap stuff.
when gas price comes down more, i might try super unleaded to see if i feel a difference.
 
The 2011 4.6 Genny gets 93 Octane only. I know the computer will adjust the timing and air/fuel ratio, but I bought a V8 because I wanted performance, so if 20 cents a gallon means I get 385 instead of 375, then I spend the extra 20 cents. I ran 93 in my both of my Avalons too. The HP ratings from Toyota for Avalons is based on 93 Octane, if you use a lower octane, then you get a lower HP rating.
The 2011 Toyota Venza gets 87 Octane and runs fine. Putting 93 in that car will not add horsepower so why do it. (This is a really nice car BTW)
Now my 72 442 has a high compression 455 and no computer to make on the fly adjustments so I have to spend big bucks on gas for her. I mix a 50/50 ratio of the best 93 Octane that I can find with racing fuel... CAM 2, Torco, etc. These racing fuels are 104 to 114 Octane and may have lead in them (which this car needs too). If I run straight 93 in the 442 she knocks like crazy and runs like crap. BTW...I have paid as much at $7 a gallon for these fuels, but that is the price to pay for driving a piece of automotive history.
 
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I think this debate can go on forever. It has almost a religious bias.
My own personal choice is 87 octane. I once had a nice discussion with a State of Oregon employee who was testing fuels at a nearby service station. He commented that 87 octane is a MINIMUM level that suppliers must meet to be certified at the pump. He said it almost always tests higher, sometimes as high as 91 octane.
It is common knowledge that gasoline octane degrades over time. Premium fuel users are a definite minority compared to regular users. Premium fuel can languish at a gas station, and degrade. Whenever possible I choose high volumne gas stations like Costco, Flying J and Petco.
My understanding is that 87 octane has more BTU than 91 octane, meaning more energy. Contrasted 91 octane permits greater ignition advance with the same compression ratio, resulting in more power/mileage. However, if one uses 87 octane in such a manner (light throttle) that ignition is not retarded compared to 91 octane, then I think one will get better gas mileage with 87 octane. A conclusion might be that if one is driving for mileage with light throttle settings 87 octane will deliver better mileage. Whereas, if one has a heavier foot, then 91 octane will deliver better mileage.
 
I always use mid-grade, no matter the price per gallon.
 
My understanding is that 87 octane has more BTU than 91 octane, meaning more energy. Contrasted 91 octane permits greater ignition advance with the same compression ratio, resulting in more power/mileage. However, if one uses 87 octane in such a manner (light throttle) that ignition is not retarded compared to 91 octane, then I think one will get better gas mileage with 87 octane.
Respectfully, you have been utterly misinformed. You contradicted yourself regarding the timing, and your BTU claim is completely wrong. The facts for decades now have established you will definitely get snappier performance, better mileage, and increased engine longevity with higher octane, lower ethanol, and more advanced additives. That means buying premium from the best brands, like Shell, Chevron, Exxon, Petro Canada, and others. Of course, the minimum standards and low-end "lawnmower gas" will get the car down the road, but it sounds like you haven't experienced the true difference. It's not a bias or marketing hype. If you care about your car enough to post in a forum, you probably should be running the best gas you can find in your area.
 
Just recently, Car Pro's Jerry Reynolds states that all vehicles built in the last few years run fine on regular bottom of the line fuel. My Genesis dealer recommends regular in my 2012 Genny. It runs great.
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A car engine DESIGNED to operate with and obtain it's best performance with 87 octane fuel will not benefit from 89, 91, 93, or even 100 or 110 octane fuel. No way no how.

Now, the higher octane fuel MAY contain more or different additives for engine cleaning, but a lot of THAT is hype is well. The more additives the less gasoline.

The Smart for 2 Car is 'designed' to operate with PREMIUM fuels. It will get its best performance and fuel economy with 93 octane fuel. Can it utilize mid or regular fuels? The manual said no, but the CEO went on record a year or so ago stating that YES, it can be run on regular fuel.

Unless you know precisely what the different fuels will do, that is, put it on a dynamometer, it's only a bad guess whether or not you are wasting your money or saving money or enjoying the 'benefits' of higher octane fuel. Can I 'tell' the difference between 385 hp and 375 hp in the same engine? Most likely not any more than I could discern the difference between a $10 HDMI cable and a $75 HDMI cable.

http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/forums/f130/does-anyone-use-regular-gas-27967/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/automobiles/03OCTANE.html?_r=0

In most cases you pay for the higher grade fuel, you are paying for additives as well.

That's why it's subjective.
 
That means buying premium from the best brands, like Shell, Chevron, Exxon, Petro Canada, and others.

The only thing that MAY be different between brands are additives. The base gasoline is distributed from tank farms located on the pipelines in major cities and tankers for smaller outlets. Assuming that stations keep their underground tanks clean and do not allow contamination all gas should be virtually equal.

If you don't believe me park outside your local tank farm and watch the tankers taking on fuel for delivery. You will see both branded and unbranded loading from the same source.
 
Now, the higher octane fuel MAY contain more or different additives for engine cleaning, but a lot of THAT is hype is well. The more additives the less gasoline.
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this part i am not so sure i would say hype..more like marketing.

I was thinking to myself about this very subject and did some research..in order to be recognized as a top tier gas company the gasoline not only has to be proven in 3rd party testing to inhibit build up but also break down built up deposits throughout fuel systems and combustion chamber. now refineries have to resubmit their fuel mixture every couple of years and also are randomly tested..

they maintain a website that keeps a current list of gasoline refineries/manufacturers that submit and pass this testing..which is basically shell/mobil/76/cevron etc..all the usual companies we associate with good gas. but it costs money each year in cash..and also the amount of samples they have to send out...so not hype..but marketing yes
 
Keep in mind that cars, that are designed to run efficiently on both premium and regular fuel, incorporate knock sensors. With a lower octane fuel, the timing is simply reduced----------which also reduces mpg. Now the mpg INCREASE that would come with premium fuel may not totally offset the higher cost, but it will offset some of it.
 
this part i am not so sure i would say hype..more like marketing.

I was thinking to myself about this very subject and did some research..in order to be recognized as a top tier gas company the gasoline not only has to be proven in 3rd party testing to inhibit build up but also break down built up deposits throughout fuel systems and combustion chamber. now refineries have to resubmit their fuel mixture every couple of years and also are randomly tested..

they maintain a website that keeps a current list of gasoline refineries/manufacturers that submit and pass this testing..which is basically shell/mobil/76/cevron etc..all the usual companies we associate with good gas. but it costs money each year in cash..and also the amount of samples they have to send out...so not hype..but marketing yes


While I routinely buy gas from top tier brands, the key thing to remember is that the companies "submit" their gas. What they submit and what may be pumped at a local station may not be the same.
 
I have run 93 exclusively in my 2010 4.6. I recently tried 87 and can report WOT is subdued a little. To my pleasant surprise the
take off and 1st-2nd shift is noticeably smoother with 87. Maybe reduced torque? 93 gives a more abrupt take off and shift to 2nd gear. I'm sort of over the need for "street performance". 87 provides all the power I need for passing on 2 lanes yet overall smoother operation.
 
Yea, I agree - hype, while not exactly...'marketing", does get people to buy the product. I've read the papers on Techron, and Shell's "Nitrogen" top tier gasolines, etc. But wouldn't running your local convenient store gas, with a can of Sea-Foam every now and then produce the same results??.... :D

What I am concerned about, is that apparently no gasoline will control the possible carbon build up in direct gas injected engines...are our Genny's subject to THAT problem?




this part i am not so sure i would say hype..more like marketing.

I was thinking to myself about this very subject and did some research..in order to be recognized as a top tier gas company the gasoline not only has to be proven in 3rd party testing to inhibit build up but also break down built up deposits throughout fuel systems and combustion chamber. now refineries have to resubmit their fuel mixture every couple of years and also are randomly tested..

they maintain a website that keeps a current list of gasoline refineries/manufacturers that submit and pass this testing..which is basically shell/mobil/76/cevron etc..all the usual companies we associate with good gas. but it costs money each year in cash..and also the amount of samples they have to send out...so not hype..but marketing yes
 
Sigh. What a frustrating discussion based on no facts whatsoever. Talk about hype - it's total internet hype that "there's no difference between gas brands". What an irony for those of you say that, yet fall for an obvious marketing meme to say something else is "just marketing".

If that were true, why did you buy a Genesis, if not falling for marketing campaigns?? There are better cars available for whatever your interests are, right? There are faster, or more economical, or more luxurious, or more exotic cars out there. Or is that all just marketing, and there's no difference whatsoever in engineering and design of any car? Your argument is that all technology and engineering is totally blandly the same exact stuff. So, a Kia Rio is the same exact thing in all aspects as a Genesis 5.0 R-Spec, since it's pure marketing to think otherwise??

Just like there's a difference between cars, there's a difference between brands, grades and blends of gas, and those differences are in their additives. Where else would they be?? Top brands like Shell and Chevron and others spend big money on chemical engineering R&D, and it's reflected in their superior additive packages. This, and how the gas is handled through their network is what makes a batch of gas "Top Tier", average, or just crap. These are facts, guys. Yes, the top brands also spend big money on marketing, but it's a fool's fallacy to assume marketing is automatically false, or worse, that those of us who know about these differences from decades of experience are merely fooled by marketers. Personally, I base my claims on hard experience with many vehicles and the hard experience of a lot of people I've known, not slick advertising or internet hype. I've run just about every gas brand there is in North America, and my vehicles respond differently to them.

If you don't notice these differences, it doesn't mean they aren't there, but you're probably comparing two types that are very similar (like mid-range and regular of the same brand), or driving in a way that wouldn't matter (ie. slow, short commutes). Again, cheapo lawnmower gas from Skippy's Stop-n-Go will run in your precious prized Genesis just fine and you can pat yourself on the back that you saved a few bucks at the pump on a fill-up. Yet, you're totally fooling yourself if you presume there is no difference between Skippy's crap and the Shell-Chevron-Exxon good stuff across the street. The money you "saved" will be spent later on more cheap gas due to lower mileage, and spent again eventually on repairs to your fuel system, if you keep cars for the long haul. If you keep a car for a year or two, you're just passing the problem to someone else, which is really more of an ethical problem on your part.
 
Yea, I agree - hype, while not exactly...'marketing", does get people to buy the product. I've read the papers on Techron, and Shell's "Nitrogen" top tier gasolines, etc. But wouldn't running your local convenient store gas, with a can of Sea-Foam every now and then produce the same results??.... :D

What I am concerned about, is that apparently no gasoline will control the possible carbon build up in direct gas injected engines...are our Genny's subject to THAT problem?

On a DI motor, no additive in the world will clean those intake valves... you can invest all kinds of time, and labor into Seafoaming your motor, or fuel treatment via Techron (or Hyundai's in house) and you wouldn't be any further ahead. As for your question about build up... look no further: http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=10975

Bottom line: Use high test if recommended. Use fuel from a high volume station - your HPFP's will thank you. Service the vehicle at the recommended intervals.
 
I run "premium grade 91 octane" in my Coupe and "regular grade 87 octane" in the Sedan and I only buy from Costco, Chevron or 76; in that order. For those of you that are "older", I used to have a Fiat X/19 and I only put 76 in it because Shell seemed to burn "hot", leaving a lot of deposits clogging up the fuel system so since then I have avoided Shell gas like the plague, lol.

When I first got the Coupe, I was running regular, but then I got a custom exhaust, CAI and a PowerAxel reflash. At the point I got the reflash, there was about 3/4 of a tank of regular left; they recommended I run premium. As soon as I emptied the tank of regular, I filled up with premium and could IMMEDIATELY feel a difference in the performance, as well as getting better gas mileage!

I haven't put a tank of premium in the Sedan because I really don't think I'll see any difference, but who knows, maybe I'll try a tank later this year when these prices drop again! Kinda sucks here in California; we get double dinged because of all the additives and the switching from "winter" blend to "summer" blend.
 
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