What if 2011 Sonata with Genesis 3.8 and transmission?

[salu498]

What would the 2011 Sonata be like if it had the Genesis 3.8 engine and transmission? Very fast I presume. What about MPG? Would it even fit the engine bay?

 

[MattG]

The 2011 Sonata is bigger on the inside, but not on the outside. They accomplished this, in part, by making the 2011 available only in 4 cylinder variants, which means that the engine bay can be smaller.

Hyundai has made it abundantly clear that they consider the future of the Sonata to be 4 cylinder. I believe that they are also planning hybrid and turbo variants, the latter being the one to look at if one is interested in a potent Sonata YF.

 

[TJPark01]

Very bad things start happening when you start adding that much power to the front wheels. It's all good on a dry road going straight.

 

[Sayantsi]

Yeah, I doubt you'd fit the V6 and transmission in the Sonata, rwd or especially fwd. 300hp is too much for fwd anyway.

 

[STREETS]

The 2011 Sonota with the new 4 cyl. engine produces all the get up and go needed without going to a V6.
Hyundai has even commented about the V6 going bye bye. I am guessing 4 Cylinder with twin turbos, supercharging can boost HP over 300 with mgs highway over 32 if dropped in the 2012 Genesis.

 

[muisui]

The 2011 Sonata is bigger on the inside, but not on the outside. They accomplished this, in part, by making the 2011 available only in 4 cylinder variants, which means that the engine bay can be smaller.

Hyundai has made it abundantly clear that they consider the future of the Sonata to be 4 cylinder. I believe that they are also planning hybrid and turbo variants, the latter being the one to look at if one is interested in a potent Sonata YF.

well... does the interior space limited to wheel to wheel distance? I would believe the engine size plays very little on the interior space... for instance, an Audi B6 platform A4 comes with 4, 6 & 8 cylinder and they all share the same frame and same interior characteristics? just my 0.02.

 

[MattG]

well... does the interior space limited to wheel to wheel distance? I would believe the engine size plays very little on the interior space... for instance, an Audi B6 platform A4 comes with 4, 6 & 8 cylinder and they all share the same frame and same interior characteristics? just my 0.02.

The thing is that a platform will have to allocate space for the largest engine that platform will be equipped with. By eliminating the V6, Hyundai was able to allocate space differently than they would have if an optional V6 power plant was going to be available.

 

[VivienM]

well... does the interior space limited to wheel to wheel distance? I would believe the engine size plays very little on the interior space... for instance, an Audi B6 platform A4 comes with 4, 6 & 8 cylinder and they all share the same frame and same interior characteristics? just my 0.02.

Audi has longitudinally-mounted engines (except on the TT and A3).

So, that means the cylinders go front-to-back. So a V8 takes up the same length as a 4 cyl. A V6 would take up less.

Same with the Genesis.

The Sonata has a transverse-mounted engine. In THAT configuration, a V engine takes up way more length than an inline engine.

This, BTW, is why VW has used narrow-angle VR6s. The cars they put those in don't have the space for a full-fledged 60 degree (or 90 degree!) V6.

I realize the terminology is kinda confusing, but go take a look at a picture of the engine bay of each car, and you'll understand.

 

[flyboy2]

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[DanTheMan]

Hyundai has even commented about the V6 going bye bye. I am guessing 4 Cylinder with twin turbos, supercharging can boost HP over 300 with mgs highway over 32 if dropped in the 2012 Genesis.

The quote was in context of the new 2011 Sonata. Specifically, it was said by Krafcik that the Sonata (and it's competition--i.e, Camry, etc.) would only see a 4 cylinder--not the six--by reference to the quote above. It was stated by him during the introduction of the 2011 Sonata in LA. Don't expect to see a 4 cyl engaged in a Genesis (or other similar weight/sized vehicle) anytime soon!

Dan

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[Galbi]

The thing is that a platform will have to allocate space for the largest engine that platform will be equipped with. By eliminating the V6, Hyundai was able to allocate space differently than they would have if an optional V6 power plant was going to be available.

Exactly. A larger engine( with more weight) would require a stronger(thicker and heavier) front subframe to hold the engine in place. So sticking with a 4 cylinder line up in the beginning frees up lots of weight and space. I bet this act alone shaved off 30 pounds from the front of the car.

For the record, Hyundai cut 130 pounds off the weight of the 2011 Sonata compared to its equivalent 2010 Sonata. They've looked at everything, even down to the pistons themselves. Also, they've incorporated more ultra high strength steel into the body closer in ratio to the Genesis. The Genesis body, by the way, has over 80% of its sheet metal made with ultra high strength steel. It is not only lighter but also twice as strong as the regular high strength steel. I posted up a schematics of the Genesis body-in-white picture somewhere in this board. Just gotta find it.

Oh and one more thing, Hyundai is probably one of the few auto makers that makes their own steel from their steel factory.

 

[danieltoye101@msn.com]

At this time the only car maker with its own steel factory. Detroit used to do this years ago!

It helps keep costs and quality under control!

 

[ctrcbob]

Audi has longitudinally-mounted engines (except on the TT and A3).

So, that means the cylinders go front-to-back. So a V8 takes up the same length as a 4 cyl. A V6 would take up less.

Same with the Genesis.

The Sonata has a transverse-mounted engine. In THAT configuration, a V engine takes up way more length than an inline engine.

This, BTW, is why VW has used narrow-angle VR6s. The cars they put those in don't have the space for a full-fledged 60 degree (or 90 degree!) V6.

I realize the terminology is kinda confusing, but go take a look at a picture of the engine bay of each car, and you'll understand.

Back in the early 1990's, I had business with a VW Dealer. (Even saw a VR6 blow its engine coming off the truck <grin>). If the VR6 of today is the same as the VR6 of the early 90's, it was a 15 degree V that shaired a common head. I.E. One cylinder head for both banks of the V6.

 

[Mark_888]

Hyundai is betting the farm on a return to high energy prices and stricter CAFE regulations. Hence, no 6 cylinder for 2011 Sonata (previous years Sonata offered a 6 cylinder). They figure that they might loose some sales short term for people looking for a 6 cylinder Sonata, but they are betting that such a demand will be short-lived.

We will have to see if Hyundai is right about higher energy prices. But even if energy prices remain stable, that will probably be because of a very weak world economy where more economical vehicles will be high demand.

 

[ImInPA]

Keep in mind that "not offering a V6" and a "V6 not fitting the engine bay" are two separate issues. The new Buick Regal will not be offered in the US with V6 engines; however, the Opel Insignia on which it is virtually identical to does offer a V6. The same with the Suzuki Kizashi. It was clearly designed to accomodate V6 engines; however, initially, no V6 option will be offered in the US. I have not read anywhere where the 2011 Sonata was engineered to "never" have a V6 option. Maybe I have missed something.

 

[VivienM]

Keep in mind that "not offering a V6" and a "V6 not fitting the engine bay" are two separate issues. The new Buick Regal will not be offered in the US with V6 engines; however, the Opel Insignia on which it is virtually identical to does offer a V6. The same with the Suzuki Kizashi. It was clearly designed to accomodate V6 engines; however, initially, no V6 option will be offered in the US. I have not read anywhere where the 2011 Sonata was engineered to "never" have a V6 option. Maybe I have missed something.

Hyundai has said that one of the ways they lightened up the car was by having a lighter subframe that can't handle a V6...